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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: VX1 on 11 January 2008, 21:35:10
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Has anyone heard of or know if the car road fund licence is to go up for car's 3.0ltr and above in April? I mean cars registared before March 2001? Or is this a mith?
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I aint heard anything, I thought it was 4x4s that was going up.
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
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Thats what I thought. So I should be safe then. Phew I thought I would need to spend my months wages on car tax. :'(
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
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its funny cause my 2.2 omega is registered in 2000 and i pay £190 a year, my dads 2.2 is registered in 2001 and he pays £225 ;D ;D
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
No Pete, there isn't a tax on 4x4's. This was how it was reported on the BBC, lies as ususal. The increased road tax was and is levied on cars based on their CO2 emissions. Most 4x4's fall into this bracket but then again so do most Omegas. :(
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
4x4's and high performance cars like porsche, lambo's, ferrari's etc. I believe
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
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I just paid £225 for the 2.6, 2003, hope it dont go up a big jump.
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
ohh, its gone the same way as company cars then and co2.
Which is bad news for Omega owners as Vauxhall's engines are very dirty.... and produce a lot of Co2!
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
ohh, its gone the same way as company cars then and co2.
Which is bad news for Omega owners as Vauxhall's engines are very dirty.... and produce a lot of Co2!
Cannot remember the Co2 emissions for the 2.6, i must look in the book, thought it was around the 182
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
ohh, its gone the same way as company cars then and co2.
Which is bad news for Omega owners as Vauxhall's engines are very dirty.... and produce a lot of Co2!
Actaully quite good emissions for size and era...
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
ohh, its gone the same way as company cars then and co2.
Which is bad news for Omega owners as Vauxhall's engines are very dirty.... and produce a lot of Co2!
Cannot remember the Co2 emissions for the 2.6, i must look in the book, thought it was around the 182
;D ;D ;D ;D
More like 260!!!
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
ohh, its gone the same way as company cars then and co2.
Which is bad news for Omega owners as Vauxhall's engines are very dirty.... and produce a lot of Co2!
Actaully quite good emissions for size and era...
Actually we found them appauling, when dads lease car was up for renew, it was all based on co2, and Vx, had some of the dirtiest lumps around
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
ohh, its gone the same way as company cars then and co2.
Which is bad news for Omega owners as Vauxhall's engines are very dirty.... and produce a lot of Co2!
Actaully quite good emissions for size and era...
Actually we found them appauling, when dads lease car was up for renew, it was all based on co2, and Vx, had some of the dirtiest lumps around
what were you comparing it with?
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mondeo 2.0 is around 180
bmw 520 is around 210
Laguna is around 175
V8 Jag was about the same as the 3.2 omega!
Vauxhall lumps are all above 220... 260 for the 2.5/6
285 for the 3.0/3.2
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So to sum it up then.................
Only vehicles that are affected by the car tax increase are those that are registared on or after March 2001?
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mondeo 2.0 is around 180
bmw 520 is around 210
Laguna is around 175
V8 Jag was about the same as the 3.2 omega!
Vauxhall lumps are all above 220... 260 for the 2.5/6
285 for the 3.0/3.2
break, fick, break
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http://cars.yahoo.co.uk/resultsmaxi_100354123_15793112/Saloon,Used_Cars,Vauxhall,Vauxhall%7COmega
257 to be precise....
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its funny cause my 2.2 omega is registered in 2000 and i pay £190 a year, my dads 2.2 is registered in 2001 and he pays £225 ;D ;D
Wait till you tax your v6 lpg Tunnie.........bet you wont be laughing then ;D
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its funny cause my 2.2 omega is registered in 2000 and i pay £190 a year, my dads 2.2 is registered in 2001 and he pays £225 ;D ;D
Strange mine is the same, registered 2001 and 225 a year
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So to sum it up then.................
Only vehicles that are affected by the car tax increase are those that are registared on or after March 2001?
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
For cars registered before 1 March 2001 there are 2 bands. 1549cc and below and above 1549cc.
After this it's based on CO2 emissions and for cars registered after 23/03/06 there's an additional band.
Doesn't matter what type of vehicle it is. CO2 emissions is all that matters.
.. and is there any reason to think there won't be increases across the board? :o
Kevin
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I expected our Range Rover tax to have gone up when people were moaning about tax prices on 4 x 4's, but it didn't for the reason already said it was older than 2001 ish.... which does seem a little strange when i would have thought the emissions on an older car would have been greater than a newer one :o
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I expected our Range Rover tax to have gone up when people were moaning about tax prices on 4 x 4's, but it didn't for the reason already said it was older than 2001 ish.... which does seem a little strange when i would have thought the emissions on an older car would have been greater than a newer one :o
Yes but the "increases for 4x4s" was media generated bull5hit. It was only ever based on CO2 and only for post-May 2006 cars.
The problem with older cars is that they were never rated for CO2 at type approval so, although it's obviously a guzzler, there's no fair way they can tax it. Don't upgrade it for a post-2006 one whatever you do! :o
Kevin
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My 02 DTi is £205 for the yr so i guess my Co2 must be good/better :P
Until last year i had a 5.7 Trans-Am & that was responsible for all clobal warming, but the VLD was only £175 ::)
In my oppinion, it's all crap= just another excuse to TAX TAX TAX >:( >:(
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So to sum it up then.................
Only vehicles that are affected by the car tax increase are those that are registared on or after March 2001?
Yep, thats about the size of it, I just miss the increase by a couple of months as my car was registered jan 01 :y
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yeah, this 4x4 was a government soundbite, and the governments bitch (the BBC) loyally repeated as often as possible.
As pointed out og TG, performance estate cars have similar emissions to performance 4x4s...
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
Sadly not. It's based on CO2 emissions. :(
ohh, its gone the same way as company cars then and co2.
Which is bad news for Omega owners as Vauxhall's engines are very dirty.... and produce a lot of Co2!
Really......When i had my Elite MOT the tester was very suprised the emissions were so good for a 11 year old car. :-?
Although ive no idea how they compare to other cars i was quite chuffed when he passed it with a clean bill of health. 8-)
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At MOT they just measure the mixture of gases coming out of the exhaust (and not CO2 anyway). It's the volume of gases that makes a difference.
They measure this at type approval by collecting everything that comes out of the exhaust pipe during a simulated drive on a rolling road and analysing it.
Kevin
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I do rather like how I can tax my 4.4 that does 18 MPG on a good day for £180, whereas anything post-2001 that has enough power to pull its own weight costs £200+ to tax ::)
Moral is: Don't buy a post-2001 car, and certainly don't buy a post-2006 :o
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Figured i needed to look at this thread, as i was confused as to how much my car tax should be, and had a look at what many of you have said you've paid
My elite is a 3.0, and was registered at least march 2001, as it's on a Y plate, but my tax was only £205, not £225, have i missed something?
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road tax rises only affect cars registered 2001 and after.
But aint it for 4x4s only :question :question
Its based on engine cc.
£205 a year for my 2.2 DTi.
I think you'll find it goes on Co2 emissions
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As part of the last budget, cars registered after 03/06 were put into a new and higher bracket, £300 a year. It was stated at the time that this would increase to £400 in the near future. This applies to the emission ( CO2 ) figure and not engine size. Not just 4x4s are affected it will be basically anything that J. Clarkson likes driving. Some old fashioned 8v engines in Protons, Hyundais etc are already paying £112.75 for 6 months as the engines spew out lots of whatever it is. We have an 03 Mini Cooper S supercharged which is £205 a year. I wonder when they will get round to taxing cyclists on how much they sweat which is equally as unpleasant as having the choke pulled out on a Ford Anglia. We can be sure of one thing, it will never go down, the real polluters, tens of millions of old cars in asia and china are getting off scot free. as well as the yank tanks which they can't drive.Did you know that any product imported into china, i.e. a car, is subject to a massive import tax to protect the chinese manufacturing industry, but we let their crap in for nowt?
I didn't vote for Gordon, but then again nobody in England did. The jocks are lumbered with him as an MP, we have no say in the Scottish parliament, yet they are ruining ours, yes that is correct RUINING, not running. Right I'm putting the soap box away now.
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As part of the last budget, cars registered after 03/06 were put into a new and higher bracket, £300 a year. It was stated at the time that this would increase to £400 in the near future. This applies to the emission ( CO2 ) figure and not engine size. Not just 4x4s are affected it will be basically anything that J. Clarkson likes driving. Some old fashioned 8v engines in Protons, Hyundais etc are already paying £112.75 for 6 months as the engines spew out lots of whatever it is. We have an 03 Mini Cooper S supercharged which is £205 a year. I wonder when they will get round to taxing cyclists on how much they sweat which is equally as unpleasant as having the choke pulled out on a Ford Anglia. We can be sure of one thing, it will never go down, the real polluters, tens of millions of old cars in asia and china are getting off scot free. as well as the yank tanks which they can't drive.Did you know that any product imported into china, i.e. a car, is subject to a massive import tax to protect the chinese manufacturing industry, but we let their crap in for nowt?
I didn't vote for Gordon, but then again nobody in England did. The jocks are lumbered with him as an MP, we have no say in the Scottish parliament, yet they are ruining ours, yes that is correct RUINING, not running. Right I'm putting the soap box away now.
Now hang on, you can't blame Gorden for ruining anything. He hasn't done anything yet, oops gave the game away.........
Ever remember a song about "the lunatics have taken over the asylum"
I think the whole thing is heading for a bad time. I am having a hard time getting the revenue to pay moneys owed from several years ago, they keep changing the person who deals with my letter, and as far as banks, well the "listening bank" with all the Business account managers, what a load of crap, they keep their phones turned off, so you can't speak to them, and as far as getting a short term (2 weeks) overdraft, if you don't opt for the repayment insurance, your request will be refused. I get the impression if they don't earn enough from a deal, they will refuse it.
I wonder how much CO2 your car produces if it runs on LPG ?. Possibly better than before?. Therefore if we convert to LPG, we should get a lower Road tax bill. Or are newer VX engines cleaner ?. If so, could we not "borrow" the technology to improve our engines, and thus get a lower emission rating ?. The newish Signum 2.2 use "direct Petrol Injection" (don't ours ?), and achieves 194g/km. Could we "borrow" the ECU and a few bits and reduce our emissions?.
Ken
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LPG reduces CO2 by a small amount, and if you register the vehicle as dual fuel you can get 10 or 15 quid off the road tax I believe. Probably have to brave a VLO to do so, so take some Kendal mint cake for when you are in the queue...
More to the point, the CO2 emissions from your car on LPG are in part just resulting from gas that would likely be flared at a refinery so the NET result of using it in a car is probably zero emissions. Too big a picture for a politician to see, sadly.
Direct petrol injection is injection of petrol directly into the cylinder in a similar way to a common rail diesel. Most fuel injected petrol engines inject into the inlet manifold or just behind the inlet valves (as in all petrol Omegas). They are more efficient but not very widespread at the moment.
Kevin
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That sounds quite like a direct LPG liquid injection system somebody is offering. I wonder if one could modify the VX fuel input to cope with LPG as against Petrol, a couple of solenoids , perhaps a bit of heating, like the current LPG vapourisers.
Too technical, need several beers to work out :y :y :y :y TTFN
Cheers Ken
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So to sum it up then.................
Only vehicles that are affected by the car tax increase are those that are registared on or after March 2001?
Yes, but a new band came into force from 03/06 for vehicles registered on or after that date with a CO2 figure of 285 or over.
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LPG reduces CO2 by a small amount, and if you register the vehicle as dual fuel you can get 10 or 15 quid off the road tax I believe. Probably have to brave a VLO to do so, so take some Kendal mint cake for when you are in the queue...
More to the point, the CO2 emissions from your car on LPG are in part just resulting from gas that would likely be flared at a refinery so the NET result of using it in a car is probably zero emissions. Too big a picture for a politician to see, sadly.
Totally agree. There was a government scheme called powershift which gave back some of the cost of converting to LPG. As usual it was done ar$e first. The grant was 80% of the cost for a 1.0 Micra and nothing for cars over 1800cc!!!! Dont these numptys realise that it is the bigger engined cars which need converting not tiny cars like Micras which are already fuel efficient. Never expect any government to do anything which will benefit the motorist We need a civil uprising to make them realise that the well is dry, we already pay too much. The UK only causes 2% of the worlds CO2, other countries cause much more yet their fuel is cheap.
Direct petrol injection is injection of petrol directly into the cylinder in a similar way to a common rail diesel. Most fuel injected petrol engines inject into the inlet manifold or just behind the inlet valves (as in all petrol Omegas). They are more efficient but not very widespread at the moment.
Kevin
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That sounds quite like a direct LPG liquid injection system somebody is offering. I wonder if one could modify the VX fuel input to cope with LPG as against Petrol, a couple of solenoids , perhaps a bit of heating, like the current LPG vapourisers.
That's something I would like to play with one day. If you inject as a liquid you lose No power over petrol and the better properties of the fuel actually allow you to gain some.
Problem is, on the vehicle I have in mind, there's precious little space for an LPG tank. :-/ It would certainly have to be one fuel or the other.
As usual it was done ar$e first. The grant was 80% of the cost for a 1.0 Micra and nothing for cars over 1800cc!!!! Dont these numptys realise that it is the bigger engined cars which need converting not tiny cars like Micras which are already fuel efficient.
Problem is, in their eyes, the unwashed like us should accept a Micra and be happy with it. They'll still be swanning around in Jags at our expense though.
The UK only causes 2% of the worlds CO2, other countries cause much more yet their fuel is cheap
This is it. If we cut CO2 unilaterally, we achieve nothing other than make ourselves less productive and drive more industry to China, India, etc..
Kevin
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Sorry Kevin, my laptop ran out of electricity halfway through my post, it has become entangled with yours.
Does any manufacturer make a car which only uses LPG, like a forklift does ?
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So what's a year worth of road tax going to cost for a 2001 'Y' plate Omega Elite 3.2 then?
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£205 if first registered AFTER 1st March 2001
£180 if first registered BEFORE 1st March 2001
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524