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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Lesopc on 21 September 2011, 10:20:56
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Hi all, i have just started to tidy up the interior of my facelift miggy while it is off the road temporarily. Being a GLS, all of the walnut trim in the centre of the car was covered in a funny rubber/plastic like substance which was all scratched and peeling, showing the walnut effect beneath. I have removed the tray around the gear lever and completely stripped it of the said substance, and then sanded it. Next i used some GM grey primer spray as i want to paint it Red (not to everyone's taste). The problem is that in certain spots, the paint is not sticking and looks aerated (small holes like air bubbles). Can anyone tell me what if anything i am doing wrong???? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Thanks.
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Try spraying plastigrip adhesion promoter on it first. :y
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Hi all, i have just started to tidy up the interior of my facelift miggy while it is off the road temporarily. Being a GLS, all of the walnut trim in the centre of the car was covered in a funny rubber/plastic like substance which was all scratched and peeling, showing the walnut effect beneath. I have removed the tray around the gear lever and completely stripped it of the said substance, and then sanded it. Next i used some GM grey primer spray as i want to paint it Red (not to everyone's taste). The problem is that in certain spots, the paint is not sticking and looks aerated (small holes like air bubbles). Can anyone tell me what if anything i am doing wrong???? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Thanks.
Whatever floats your boat
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/reddash.jpg)
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Hi all, i have just started to tidy up the interior of my facelift miggy while it is off the road temporarily. Being a GLS, all of the walnut trim in the centre of the car was covered in a funny rubber/plastic like substance which was all scratched and peeling, showing the walnut effect beneath. I have removed the tray around the gear lever and completely stripped it of the said substance, and then sanded it. Next i used some GM grey primer spray as i want to paint it Red (not to everyone's taste). The problem is that in certain spots, the paint is not sticking and looks aerated (small holes like air bubbles). Can anyone tell me what if anything i am doing wrong???? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Thanks.
Whatever floats your boat
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/reddash.jpg)
Yeah that blends in well :-X ;D
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Try spraying plastigrip adhesion promoter on it first. :y
yep.. :y
sanding the surface with 420 or 800 then plastigrip and then normal paint.. or paint wont stick to surface..
ps: if you wont apply a base layer after plastigrip, use 1200 ..
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No offence intended mate, but it will never look anything more than a dogs dinner if you paint these parts. They are high use areas, and need to be able to resist damage from finger nails, keys, phones, etc.
Why don't you just replace the gear level surround, stereo surround and ashtray cover (all shown in red in Rob's pic above) with a decent secondhand set?
I have a full set available here in both walnut (elite) and brushed silver (mv6), which you can buy for probably less than you will spend on all the paint and primers you're looking at buying.
PM me if you are interested.
Cheers :y
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No offence intended mate, but it will never look anything more than a dogs dinner if you paint these parts. They are high use areas, and need to be able to resist damage from finger nails, keys, phones, etc.
Why don't you just replace the gear level surround, stereo surround and ashtray cover (all shown in red in Rob's pic above) with a decent secondhand set?
I have a full set available here in both walnut (elite) and brushed silver (mv6), which you can buy for probably less than you will spend on all the paint and primers you're looking at buying.
PM me if you are interested.
Cheers :y
I like the sound of brushed silver, does this mean all three parts (ashtray cover, gear surround and stereo surround)?
What would you charge for supply and postage?
Also, how do you remove the stereo surround part as i have gently tried to prize with a screwdriver but it seems stuck fast??? :-? :-? :-? :-?
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Is this any help?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152745540
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Is this any help?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152745540
Helps a lot. Thanks.
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No offence intended mate, but it will never look anything more than a dogs dinner if you paint these parts. They are high use areas, and need to be able to resist damage from finger nails, keys, phones, etc.
Why don't you just replace the gear level surround, stereo surround and ashtray cover (all shown in red in Rob's pic above) with a decent secondhand set?
I have a full set available here in both walnut (elite) and brushed silver (mv6), which you can buy for probably less than you will spend on all the paint and primers you're looking at buying.
PM me if you are interested.
Cheers :y
I like the sound of brushed silver, does this mean all three parts (ashtray cover, gear surround and stereo surround)?
What would you charge for supply and postage?
Also, how do you remove the stereo surround part as i have gently tried to prize with a screwdriver but it seems stuck fast??? :-? :-? :-? :-?
You can have all 3 parts for £30 delivered mate. :y
To remove the stereo surround...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152745540
While you are at it, are the buttons on you climate control panel all worn away? If so I have a mint one here that I will throw in for an extra £15. :y
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No offence intended mate, but it will never look anything more than a dogs dinner if you paint these parts. They are high use areas, and need to be able to resist damage from finger nails, keys, phones, etc.
Why don't you just replace the gear level surround, stereo surround and ashtray cover (all shown in red in Rob's pic above) with a decent secondhand set?
I have a full set available here in both walnut (elite) and brushed silver (mv6), which you can buy for probably less than you will spend on all the paint and primers you're looking at buying.
PM me if you are interested.
Cheers :y
I like the sound of brushed silver, does this mean all three parts (ashtray cover, gear surround and stereo surround)?
What would you charge for supply and postage?
Also, how do you remove the stereo surround part as i have gently tried to prize with a screwdriver but it seems stuck fast??? :-? :-? :-? :-?
You can have all 3 parts for £30 delivered mate. :y
To remove the stereo surround...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152745540
While you are at it, are the buttons on you climate control panel all worn away? If so I have a mint one here that I will throw in for an extra £15. :y
Only the on/off button (now white plastic). I'll let you know. Thanks.
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No offence intended mate, but it will never look anything more than a dogs dinner if you paint these parts. They are high use areas, and need to be able to resist damage from finger nails, keys, phones, etc.
Why don't you just replace the gear level surround, stereo surround and ashtray cover (all shown in red in Rob's pic above) with a decent secondhand set?
I have a full set available here in both walnut (elite) and brushed silver (mv6), which you can buy for probably less than you will spend on all the paint and primers you're looking at buying.
PM me if you are interested.
Cheers :y
I like the sound of brushed silver, does this mean all three parts (ashtray cover, gear surround and stereo surround)?
What would you charge for supply and postage?
Also, how do you remove the stereo surround part as i have gently tried to prize with a screwdriver but it seems stuck fast??? :-? :-? :-? :-?
You can have all 3 parts for £30 delivered mate. :y
To remove the stereo surround...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152745540
While you are at it, are the buttons on you climate control panel all worn away? If so I have a mint one here that I will throw in for an extra £15. :y
Only the on/off button (now white plastic). I'll let you know. Thanks.
Sorry, just to clarify. For £15 you get the complete climate control unit (which comes out with the stereo surround), not just the buttons.
I can install the one I have here into the brushed silver surround for you before I send it if you like. Then you can keep your unit as a spare.
Cheers. :y
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No offence intended mate, but it will never look anything more than a dogs dinner if you paint these parts. They are high use areas, and need to be able to resist damage from finger nails, keys, phones, etc.
Why don't you just replace the gear level surround, stereo surround and ashtray cover (all shown in red in Rob's pic above) with a decent secondhand set?
I have a full set available here in both walnut (elite) and brushed silver (mv6), which you can buy for probably less than you will spend on all the paint and primers you're looking at buying.
PM me if you are interested.
Cheers :y
I like the sound of brushed silver, does this mean all three parts (ashtray cover, gear surround and stereo surround)?
What would you charge for supply and postage?
Also, how do you remove the stereo surround part as i have gently tried to prize with a screwdriver but it seems stuck fast??? :-? :-? :-? :-?
You can have all 3 parts for £30 delivered mate. :y
To remove the stereo surround...
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152745540
While you are at it, are the buttons on you climate control panel all worn away? If so I have a mint one here that I will throw in for an extra £15. :y
Only the on/off button (now white plastic). I'll let you know. Thanks.
Sorry, just to clarify. For £15 you get the complete climate control unit (which comes out with the stereo surround), not just the buttons.
I can install the one I have here into the brushed silver surround for you before I send it if you like. Then you can keep your unit as a spare.
Cheers. :y
I'll give it some thought and let you know. :y :y :y :y :y
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Hi mate,
I'm not a lover of the walnut trim on my elite and fancied something different. As mentioned above, I rubbed the plastic down, grey primer then several coats of silver and finished off with several coats of laquer.
I think it's worth doing, but each to their own. I reckon you should get a spare set of plastics for your car and give it a go, if you don't like it put the other set back :y
This is mine:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%201.jpg)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%202.jpg)
HTH :y
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Hi mate,
I'm not a lover of the walnut trim on my elite and fancied something different. As mentioned above, I rubbed the plastic down, grey primer then several coats of silver and finished off with several coats of laquer.
I think it's worth doing, but each to their own. I reckon you should get a spare set of plastics for your car and give it a go, if you don't like it put the other set back :y
This is mine:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%201.jpg)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%202.jpg)
HTH :y
Keep in mind that this is a prefacelift, whereas mine is a year 2000 facelift with different dash.
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Hi mate,
I'm not a lover of the walnut trim on my elite and fancied something different. As mentioned above, I rubbed the plastic down, grey primer then several coats of silver and finished off with several coats of laquer.
I think it's worth doing, but each to their own. I reckon you should get a spare set of plastics for your car and give it a go, if you don't like it put the other set back :y
This is mine:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%201.jpg)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%202.jpg)
HTH :y
Keep in mind that this is a prefacelift, whereas mine is a year 2000 facelift with different dash.
still the same principle mate :y
ive got to say that the stereo removal is easy but youll need a special tool to get your stereo out (see e bay ''vaux omega stereo remover''.
also if you replace the ashtray, gear surround and stereo surround are you still not going to be left with the fake walnut on your door trim? just wondering if this will look a bit silly? :-/ worth thinking about!!! :y
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ps nice job blackviper!!! i like that!!! :y :y :y :y
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I realise that mate, I did the same to my facelift saloon I had before this one. Def worth a go though :y
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ps nice job blackviper!!! i like that!!! :y :y :y :y
Cheers mate :y
I just need to do the door inserts next. The colour I've picked is Audi Aluminium. Pretty chuffed with the result ::)
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Hi mate,
I'm not a lover of the walnut trim on my elite and fancied something different. As mentioned above, I rubbed the plastic down, grey primer then several coats of silver and finished off with several coats of laquer.
I think it's worth doing, but each to their own. I reckon you should get a spare set of plastics for your car and give it a go, if you don't like it put the other set back :y
This is mine:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%201.jpg)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%202.jpg)
HTH :y
Keep in mind that this is a prefacelift, whereas mine is a year 2000 facelift with different dash.
still the same principle mate :y
ive got to say that the stereo removal is easy but youll need a special tool to get your stereo out (see e bay ''vaux omega stereo remover''.
also if you replace the ashtray, gear surround and stereo surround are you still not going to be left with the fake walnut on your door trim? just wondering if this will look a bit silly? :-/ worth thinking about!!! :y
The door trims on the facelift are dead easy. I just popped them off and did the same as the centre console. Unfortunately, I've been told my prefacelift door trims are riveted, so the door cards have to come off :(
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ps nice job blackviper!!! i like that!!! :y :y :y :y
Cheers mate :y
I just need to do the door inserts next. The colour I've picked is Audi Aluminium. Pretty chuffed with the result ::)
really nice colour and looks a very good job.
is it just car paint youve used (like the spray cans from halfoirds)? if so do you know the best way to get an even cover as im having hell with my rear wing (external)
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ps nice job blackviper!!! i like that!!! :y :y :y :y
agreed.. very good color selection :y
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I've never sprayed panels before so not the one to ask, lol. I've used Halfords paint for the trims on mine though, but been very lucky with the finish I think.
I just gave it several light coatings in no particular order, then the same again with the laquer. Quite lucky that it didn't come out shoddy really ::)
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I've never sprayed panels before so not the one to ask, lol. I've used Halfords paint for the trims on mine though, but been very lucky with the finish I think.
I just gave it several light coatings in no particular order, then the same again with the laquer. Quite lucky that it didn't come out shoddy really ::)
fair play mate. ive done 3 coats of paint but then when i lacquered it im left with a really abrasive finish and dont know what to do other than to do it again and not put lacquer on!!! :'(
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I've never sprayed panels before so not the one to ask, lol. I've used Halfords paint for the trims on mine though, but been very lucky with the finish I think.
I just gave it several light coatings in no particular order, then the same again with the laquer. Quite lucky that it didn't come out shoddy really ::)
I was advised that after each coat of paint to use either 800 or 1000 wet & dry and gently rub it down. Then respray. This gives a very light rough surface for the next coat to stick too.
Then on the last coat, don't rub it down, leave it. When ready, give it several coats of laquer. Thats all I know I'm afraid. :-/
fair play mate. ive done 3 coats of paint but then when i lacquered it im left with a really abrasive finish and dont know what to do other than to do it again and not put lacquer on!!! :'(
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I've never sprayed panels before so not the one to ask, lol. I've used Halfords paint for the trims on mine though, but been very lucky with the finish I think.
I just gave it several light coatings in no particular order, then the same again with the laquer. Quite lucky that it didn't come out shoddy really ::)
I was advised that after each coat of paint to use either 800 or 1000 wet & dry and gently rub it down. Then respray. This gives a very light rough surface for the next coat to stick too.
Then on the last coat, don't rub it down, leave it. When ready, give it several coats of laquer. Thats all I know I'm afraid. :-/
fair play mate. ive done 3 coats of paint but then when i lacquered it im left with a really abrasive finish and dont know what to do other than to do it again and not put lacquer on!!! :'(
thanks B. Viper.... ill give that a go :y :y :y :y
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Hi all, i have just started to tidy up the interior of my facelift miggy while it is off the road temporarily. Being a GLS, all of the walnut trim in the centre of the car was covered in a funny rubber/plastic like substance which was all scratched and peeling, showing the walnut effect beneath. I have removed the tray around the gear lever and completely stripped it of the said substance, and then sanded it. Next i used some GM grey primer spray as i want to paint it Red (not to everyone's taste). The problem is that in certain spots, the paint is not sticking and looks aerated (small holes like air bubbles). Can anyone tell me what if anything i am doing wrong???? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
Thanks.
The only thing I can think thats causing you this problem is it's possibly greasy/dirty surface.
Try rubbing it back down and using a degreaser to clean it, then primer it and top coat etc and see how that goes. ;)
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I've never sprayed panels before so not the one to ask, lol. I've used Halfords paint for the trims on mine though, but been very lucky with the finish I think.
I just gave it several light coatings in no particular order, then the same again with the laquer. Quite lucky that it didn't come out shoddy really ::)
I was advised that after each coat of paint to use either 800 or 1000 wet & dry and gently rub it down. Then respray. This gives a very light rough surface for the next coat to stick too.
Then on the last coat, don't rub it down, leave it. When ready, give it several coats of laquer. Thats all I know I'm afraid. :-/
fair play mate. ive done 3 coats of paint but then when i lacquered it im left with a really abrasive finish and dont know what to do other than to do it again and not put lacquer on!!! :'(
correct.. :y :y
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I've never sprayed panels before so not the one to ask, lol. I've used Halfords paint for the trims on mine though, but been very lucky with the finish I think.
I just gave it several light coatings in no particular order, then the same again with the laquer. Quite lucky that it didn't come out shoddy really ::)
fair play mate. ive done 3 coats of paint but then when i lacquered it im left with a really abrasive finish and dont know what to do other than to do it again and not put lacquer on!!! :'(
After the final coat of lacquer, you need to 1200grit wet sand the area. Use a drop (and I mean just a drop) of washing up liquid in say a litre of water to help the paper glide over the surface.
You then need to 'buff' ideally using a couple of grades of cutting paste and either a lot of elbow grease or an electric 'mop'.
It isn't really necessary to sand between coats, especially the base coats. A 800grit paper will remove a dust-coat with a couple of passes, completely defeating the object of 'dust-coating'.
Remember, the area to be sprayed needs a key. Lightly use a scotchpad on the area and the area immediately surrounding to key it. Any marks will be removed when mopped with cutting paste.
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I've never sprayed panels before so not the one to ask, lol. I've used Halfords paint for the trims on mine though, but been very lucky with the finish I think.
I just gave it several light coatings in no particular order, then the same again with the laquer. Quite lucky that it didn't come out shoddy really ::)
fair play mate. ive done 3 coats of paint but then when i lacquered it im left with a really abrasive finish and dont know what to do other than to do it again and not put lacquer on!!! :'(
After the final coat of lacquer, you need to 1200grit wet sand the area. Use a drop (and I mean just a drop) of washing up liquid in say a litre of water to help the paper glide over the surface.
You then need to 'buff' ideally using a couple of grades of cutting paste and either a lot of elbow grease or an electric 'mop'.
It isn't really necessary to sand between coats, especially the base coats. A 800grit paper will remove a dust-coat with a couple of passes, completely defeating the object of 'dust-coating'.
Remember, the area to be sprayed needs a key. Lightly use a scotchpad on the area and the area immediately surrounding to key it. Any marks will be removed when mopped with cutting paste.
cheers BM. When i ''lightly sand'' using the 1200 grit.... should i be ''rubbing it down'' or just a once over light job? :y
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cheers BM. When i ''lightly sand'' using the 1200 grit.... should i be ''rubbing it down'' or just a once over light job? :y
The lacquer should be hard as nails! It will easily take quite a bit of abuse once dry. The residue from sanding lacquer is white, it will turn your lubricant (the water) a milky colour. Thats perfectly normal.... just sand the freshly sprayed area evenly. If you get a residue which is your paint colour, you have gone too far! ;D
It's easier to stop sanding before you think it's perfect and then using the cutting paste, stand back and think "I'll give that another rub down" than to go too far and think "rollox, I'll get the spray gun back out" ;D ;D
Interestingly, lacquer needs to be applied a lot heavier than most people think..... certainly much heavier than the base-coat. 3-4 decent coats of lacquer is perfect IMO. Some people prefer 6-8coats of lightly applied lacquer, but I dont think that gives enough depth. Obviously, you are more prone to getting runs in the lacquer if it is applied heavily.
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cheers BM. When i ''lightly sand'' using the 1200 grit.... should i be ''rubbing it down'' or just a once over light job? :y
The lacquer should be hard as nails! It will easily take quite a bit of abuse once dry. The residue from sanding lacquer is white, it will turn your lubricant (the water) a milky colour. Thats perfectly normal.... just sand the freshly sprayed area evenly. If you get a residue which is your paint colour, you have gone too far! ;D
It's easier to stop sanding before you think it's perfect and then using the cutting paste, stand back and think "I'll give that another rub down" than to go too far and think "rollox, I'll get the spray gun back out" ;D ;D
Interestingly, lacquer needs to be applied a lot heavier than most people think..... certainly much heavier than the base-coat. 3-4 decent coats of lacquer is perfect IMO. Some people prefer 6-8coats of lightly applied lacquer, but I dont think that gives enough depth. Obviously, you are more prone to getting runs in the lacquer if it is applied heavily.
thanks mate so basically its normal for the lacquer to be abrasive and frankly looking rough as houses until sanded down???? :-/
that makes sense cos it looked really good till i lacquered it!!! ;D
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cheers BM. When i ''lightly sand'' using the 1200 grit.... should i be ''rubbing it down'' or just a once over light job? :y
The lacquer should be hard as nails! It will easily take quite a bit of abuse once dry. The residue from sanding lacquer is white, it will turn your lubricant (the water) a milky colour. Thats perfectly normal.... just sand the freshly sprayed area evenly. If you get a residue which is your paint colour, you have gone too far! ;D
It's easier to stop sanding before you think it's perfect and then using the cutting paste, stand back and think "I'll give that another rub down" than to go too far and think "rollox, I'll get the spray gun back out" ;D ;D
Interestingly, lacquer needs to be applied a lot heavier than most people think..... certainly much heavier than the base-coat. 3-4 decent coats of lacquer is perfect IMO. Some people prefer 6-8coats of lightly applied lacquer, but I dont think that gives enough depth. Obviously, you are more prone to getting runs in the lacquer if it is applied heavily.
thanks mate so basically its normal for the lacquer to be abrasive and frankly looking rough as houses until sanded down???? :-/
that makes sense cos it looked really good till i lacquered it!!! ;D
I presume you are using Acrylic Lacquer and Base Coat?
If so, after applying the lacquer, you should have some form of shine, but the surface will not be smooth like glass. Thats where the cutting comes in.
If the finish is flatter than a Witch's chest and duller than ditch-water, then there isnt a good enough depth of lacquer. :y
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cheers mate. im going to post some pics tomorrow cos im sure something aint tickety-boo!!!!!
cheers BM :y :y :y
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Hi mate,
I'm not a lover of the walnut trim on my elite and fancied something different. As mentioned above, I rubbed the plastic down, grey primer then several coats of silver and finished off with several coats of laquer.
I think it's worth doing, but each to their own. I reckon you should get a spare set of plastics for your car and give it a go, if you don't like it put the other set back :y
This is mine:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%201.jpg)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30008029/Silver%20console/Pic%202.jpg)
HTH :y
Keep in mind that this is a prefacelift, whereas mine is a year 2000 facelift with different dash.
still the same principle mate :y
ive got to say that the stereo removal is easy but youll need a special tool to get your stereo out (see e bay ''vaux omega stereo remover''.
also if you replace the ashtray, gear surround and stereo surround are you still not going to be left with the fake walnut on your door trim? just wondering if this will look a bit silly? :-/ worth thinking about!!! :y
The door trims are black and in good shape (mines a GLS).
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Thanks all. I think i've decided what to do now. I'll post pics when complete. :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Nice one mate, looking foward to seeing the results :y