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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: bigdods on 14 November 2007, 14:09:28
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BOSE CR2006 Elite 3.0 facelift. Ok, so several of the speakers stopped working. I checked the connections at the speaker ends, all look fine. then it was down to 2 speakers. Take to vauxhall garage they say it 'probably' needs a new head unit. £118 for a recon one they have to order in. I am waiting for this recon unit to arrive. Yesterday down to one speaker and today none. No sound anywhere. Anyone have any pointeres to things I can try with the head unit to get at least some speakers working or is it just a case of wait for the new unit to arrive. Oh and the vauxhall garage only said 'we should try a new head unit' - they couldnt guarantee it will fix the problem.
Cheers
Dodsy
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Sounds more likely to be a connector falling out somewhere - or perhaps the Bose amp under the parcel shelf?
Kevin
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I thought it might be a connector. I have checked all the speaker ends and they are all connected ok, didnt have the DIN tool so got the dealer to pull out the head unit and reseat all the connections. No joy. I didnt realise the Bose AMP was in the boot I will take a look tonight. Cheers !
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Yep. Not got one myself but I believe it's in a tray under the parcel shelf. Do a search on here and I'm sure you'll find some information.
As I understand it, the CCR2006 is configured for a Bose system whereby it outputs lower level signals from the speaker outputs on the head unit (same connections, just smaller signal level). The outputs on the CCR2006 go to the bose amp that's under the parcel shelf and all 6 speakers in the system are fed from the Bose amp.
Kevin
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Yep. Not got one myself but I believe it's in a tray under the parcel shelf. Do a search on here and I'm sure you'll find some information.
As I understand it, the CCR2006 is configured for a Bose system whereby it outputs lower level signals from the speaker outputs on the head unit (same connections, just smaller signal level). The outputs on the CCR2006 go to the bose amp that's under the parcel shelf and all 6 speakers in the system are fed from the Bose amp.
Kevin
I would expect it to be the amp end, would be surprised if its the head unit becasue the bass units (rear shelf) should have worked right down to the last channel failing
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yep, known in the past to be a dodgy connection in the amp, and in one case... amp missing altogether!!
your amp will be there considering you still had sound at some point :y
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I certainly would be suspecting the amp long before the head unit....
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Oh, and getting the amp out is a right barsteward - you have to remove the parcel shelf to get to some screws >:(
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Oh, and getting the amp out is a right barsteward - you have to remove the parcel shelf to get to some screws >:(
Had a quick look in the dark...guess what ? theres a big multiway connector to the left of the amp and.....its not plugged in ! Something must have caught the cable at some point and yanked it out. I WILL be writing to my local vauxhall dealer demanding a refund for their so called 'diagnostic' work.
And I was wondering how the hell I was going to get the amp out as I couldnt see any screws. I will attack the parcel shelf tomorrow !
Cheers !
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Oh, and getting the amp out is a right barsteward - you have to remove the parcel shelf to get to some screws >:(
Had a quick look in the dark...guess what ? theres a big multiway connector to the left of the amp and.....its not plugged in ! Something must have caught the cable at some point and yanked it out. I WILL be writing to my local vauxhall dealer demanding a refund for their so called 'diagnostic' work.
And I was wondering how the hell I was going to get the amp out as I couldnt see any screws. I will attack the parcel shelf tomorrow !
Cheers !
all i've learnt from this forum is that VX themselves barely know their a*ses from their elbows!
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Can you not reach in through the slot that the cable loom enters and re-fit the connector......
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A big thank you to everyone on here, I now have the full Bose experience ! I couldnt quite get my fingers through the gap, so I trimmed a bit of plastic out with my trusty stanley knife, then plugged the connector back in.
Cheers !!
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Normal main dealer diagnostic work IME (it's not just Vauxhall either). Blame the most expensive part and work backwards in price from there. Don't let the facts cloud your judgement. ::)
Kevin
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Normal main dealer diagnostic work.......Blame the most expensive part and work backwards in price from there.
Kevin
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
They're not all nobs! ::)
Kev, does your car not have Bose then?
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Kev, does your car not have Bose then?
Nope. :'(
It does have a nice Alpine amp connected to my bodged CCR2006 with preamp outputs. It sounds really nice now I've figured out what was causing it to distort.
I've often wondered how easily the Bose shelf speakers could be retro-ftted, actually.
Kevin
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If you've got Alpine gear and perhaps add some aftermarket squeakers, the bose is nothing to shout about. Yes it's ok for a factory spec car system but if you've gone the upgrade route there is better to be had, i'd still be tempted to keep it stealthy though :y
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i'd still be tempted to keep it stealthy though
That was the idea behind modding the CCR2006 to get a decent line level output. After doubting it for a little while that route has actually proven to be a good one.
I embarked on changing the front door speakers because I thought the original ones were knackered, but didn't investigate it properly and it turned out to be a noisy pot in the amp ::)
The new speakers do sound better but it was a lot of work...
Kevin
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And just to close this down - Spoke to the Vauxhall Service Manager today at the dealership in question (after an exchange of letters). He would not agree with me that they had been less than thorough with their investigations into the problem. Vauxhall have a procedure for fully checking the radio which apparently takes about 3 hours and nees a highly qualified sparks to check all the connectors etc so they didnt do that due to cost etc. He wouldnt accept that either the procedure is wrong or they didnt follow even a basic fault finding process it if they didnt even bother to check the obvious connection on the amp. If I had written any process it would be remove head unit. check connectors. Check amp connector. Being as the amp is in the boot and most likely to suffer from being knocked or having its cable accidentally pulled out you'd think this was obvious. oh and as its visible without needing any tools its would be for me the perfect place to start.
End result, he will refund my £18 fee and I promise never to darken their door again with my car :-)
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3 Hours to work out if a head unit's breaked? :o :o :o ;D
a highly qualified sparks to check all the connectors etc so they didnt do that due to cost
So, in that 3 hours they didn't check the connectors were all plugged in? In fact, they were insufficiently qualified to do so? :-X
Good old VX dealers strike again ;D
Still, glad it's sorted in the end. :y I wouldn't darken his door again after that service.
Kevin
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I guess I need to be clearer - he told me that it would take 3 hours of a fully qualified auto sparks to check what the problem was. The £18 was their 'diagnosis' fee for spending a few minutes seeing if there was any obvious fault. I guess the cable hanging out of the amp wasnt obvious enough. Had a fairly spirited discussion on the phone but neither of us was going to budge from our positions hence the refund and me never going back.
I have to say it was a lot of fun, havent had a good argument like that in ages !
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I guess I need to be clearer - he told me that it would take 3 hours of a fully qualified auto sparks to check what the problem was. The £18 was their 'diagnosis' fee for spending a few minutes seeing if there was any obvious fault. I guess the cable hanging out of the amp wasnt obvious enough. Had a fairly spirited discussion on the phone but neither of us was going to budge from our positions hence the refund and me never going back.
I have to say it was a lot of fun, havent had a good argument like that in ages !
;D
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I guess I need to be clearer - he told me that it would take 3 hours of a fully qualified auto sparks to check what the problem was. The £18 was their 'diagnosis' fee for spending a few minutes seeing if there was any obvious fault. I guess the cable hanging out of the amp wasnt obvious enough. Had a fairly spirited discussion on the phone but neither of us was going to budge from our positions hence the refund and me never going back.
I have to say it was a lot of fun, havent had a good argument like that in ages !
You're not married then? ;D ;D ;D
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I wear the trousers in this house. Antime I am on the internet our out in my car I am most definately in charge. It doesnt pay to argue with the boss when shes within earshot...
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For info.....here is an extract from the Vx formal diag programme showing the initial steps to be taken when diagnosing the said system:
Work Order Description
All consumers turned off
Verify battery condition
Check all fuses
Check all connections and plugs of the concerned electronic system Check all ground connections
Perform visual check of all components of the concerned electronic system
After successful test/fault repair proceed to the next test step
Note:
The battery must not be disconnected at this point of the Diagnostic System Check, as the control units of the vehicle could otherwise lose stored diagnostic information.
If the system operates correctly after replacing a defective fuse, the switched circuits, which are supplied by this fuse, should be checked for short circuit to ground.
So its a case of Please read the manual (Read The Fing Manual) for your local dealer.....they have the tools available to allow them to make quick and ordered diagnosis....there just not usin them!
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Check all connections and plugs of the concerned electronic system Check all ground connections
Perform visual check of all components of the concerned electronic system
This is the bit they didnt do - said it would need a qualified sparks and 3 hours for this step. I dont think so....