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Title: CID Display external input?
Post by: zirk on 17 February 2008, 17:09:47
Any body know wether the colour CID input is Video or RGB?

Im thinking alone the lines of a switched reversing camera / DVD output (just thinking).
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 February 2008, 17:20:14
RGB, but a little bit more involved than just plugging in.....

This may be of interest...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hardwarekiller03/dvbtG.htm
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 18:17:38
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RGB, but a little bit more involved than just plugging in.....

This may be of interest...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hardwarekiller03/dvbtG.htm

Fascinating  :-/, I don't understand a word of it, but there are a couple of pictures which make me think it may be possible to watch TV on your CID!

...or am I just beeing a bit too hopeful?

Does anyone know more?
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: TheBoy on 17 February 2008, 18:22:39
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RGB, but a little bit more involved than just plugging in.....

This may be of interest...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hardwarekiller03/dvbtG.htm

Fascinating  :-/, I don't understand a word of it, but there are a couple of pictures which make me think it may be possible to watch TV on your CID!

...or am I just beeing a bit too hopeful?

Does anyone know more?
Whilst technically possible, probably not worth the effort.  and the is legal requirement to blank tv screen viewable by driver when moving.
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 February 2008, 18:26:02
Well I'm looking for someone who can make up the PCB (The layouts are on there, just need to be printed out), then i'd love to have a go.... Anyone got a spare CID so I don't trash mine??? LOL I thought not!

Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 February 2008, 18:28:44
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Whilst technically possible, probably not worth the effort.  and the is legal requirement to blank tv screen viewable by driver when moving.

Yeh, supposed to wire a link into the handbrake switch so that it is disabled automatically.
Reception would be the main issue, unless you have a decent aerial!  ::)

Would be good to watch DVD's through the inbuilt screen while the current SWMBO is shopping....  ;D
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 18:30:50
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RGB, but a little bit more involved than just plugging in.....

This may be of interest...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hardwarekiller03/dvbtG.htm

Fascinating  :-/, I don't understand a word of it, but there are a couple of pictures which make me think it may be possible to watch TV on your CID!

...or am I just beeing a bit too hopeful?

Does anyone know more?
Whilst technically possible, probably not worth the effort.  and the is legal requirement to blank tv screen viewable by driver when moving.


Point well made and very much appreciated, my friend has a SATNAV/TV screen on his Rover 75 and that won't work unless in neutral with the handbrake on. It would be nice to see if it were possible though for those times spent waiting.
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 February 2008, 18:44:42
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Well I'm looking for someone who can make up the PCB (The layouts are on there, just need to be printed out), then i'd love to have a go.... Anyone got a spare CID so I don't trash mine??? LOL I thought not!


That PCB looks to have been created on a milling machine......

....ow, did I mention we have a PCB milling machine at work  ::)
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 February 2008, 18:59:55
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Well I'm looking for someone who can make up the PCB (The layouts are on there, just need to be printed out), then i'd love to have a go.... Anyone got a spare CID so I don't trash mine??? LOL I thought not!


That PCB looks to have been created on a milling machine......

....ow, did I mention we have a PCB milling machine at work  ::)

 ::) Mark, How much work would be involved to make up the board?
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 19:03:26
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Well I'm looking for someone who can make up the PCB (The layouts are on there, just need to be printed out), then i'd love to have a go.... Anyone got a spare CID so I don't trash mine??? LOL I thought not!


That PCB looks to have been created on a milling machine......

....ow, did I mention we have a PCB milling machine at work  ::)

If this ever comes of anything please consider me a potential customer. I'd like to rig it up with screens in the headrests and they would need to work whilst moving and the CID would need to work on SATNAV whilst that was happening. Only when I wanted to manually "flick a switch" would I want to feed the DVD output to the CID.

I don't want much eh?

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.patrick/moon.gif)

(Moon on a stick, in case you were wondering)


Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: tunnie on 17 February 2008, 19:05:49
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RGB, but a little bit more involved than just plugging in.....

This may be of interest...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hardwarekiller03/dvbtG.htm

Fascinating  :-/, I don't understand a word of it, but there are a couple of pictures which make me think it may be possible to watch TV on your CID!

...or am I just beeing a bit too hopeful?

Does anyone know more?
Whilst technically possible, probably not worth the effort.  and the is legal requirement to blank tv screen viewable by driver when moving.


Point well made and very much appreciated, my friend has a SATNAV/TV screen on his Rover 75 and that won't work unless in neutral with the handbrake on. It would be nice to see if it were possible though for those times spent waiting.

Whist consulting the manual to the SatNav (factroy fit) in my 1998 Elite, it says "for safey reasons the SatNav can not be operated above 75mph!!!  ;D ;D

So i am fine to adjust it to at 74, but not 75mph!  :D
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 19:09:07
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RGB, but a little bit more involved than just plugging in.....

This may be of interest...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hardwarekiller03/dvbtG.htm

Fascinating  :-/, I don't understand a word of it, but there are a couple of pictures which make me think it may be possible to watch TV on your CID!

...or am I just beeing a bit too hopeful?

Does anyone know more?
Whilst technically possible, probably not worth the effort.  and the is legal requirement to blank tv screen viewable by driver when moving.


Point well made and very much appreciated, my friend has a SATNAV/TV screen on his Rover 75 and that won't work unless in neutral with the handbrake on. It would be nice to see if it were possible though for those times spent waiting.

Whist consulting the manual to the SatNav (factroy fit) in my 1998 Elite, it says "for safey reasons the SatNav can not be operated above 75mph!!!  ;D ;D

So i am fine to adjust it to at 74, but not 75mph!  :D

Technically speaking, for safety reasons, you shouldn't drive over 70  ;)
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 February 2008, 19:14:49
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Well I'm looking for someone who can make up the PCB (The layouts are on there, just need to be printed out), then i'd love to have a go.... Anyone got a spare CID so I don't trash mine??? LOL I thought not!


That PCB looks to have been created on a milling machine......

....ow, did I mention we have a PCB milling machine at work  ::)

If this ever comes of anything please consider me a potential customer. I'd like to rig it up with screens in the headrests and they would need to work whilst moving and the CID would need to work on SATNAV whilst that was happening. Only when I wanted to manually "flick a switch" would I want to feed the DVD output to the CID.

I don't want much eh?

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.patrick/moon.gif)

(Moon on a stick, in case you were wondering)



Believe that the screen only shifts to alternate source when it detects an input (part of the logic on that interface built onto the PCB has).
On the video link on that site you can see that all of the head unit menu's and the clock / source bar at the bottom disappear when the video source is turned on so the interface obviously drives the lcd panel directly.
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 February 2008, 19:17:26
Its a pity there are no gerber files or the original cad files..

Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 19:22:03
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Well I'm looking for someone who can make up the PCB (The layouts are on there, just need to be printed out), then i'd love to have a go.... Anyone got a spare CID so I don't trash mine??? LOL I thought not!



That PCB looks to have been created on a milling machine......

....ow, did I mention we have a PCB milling machine at work  ::)

If this ever comes of anything please consider me a potential customer. I'd like to rig it up with screens in the headrests and they would need to work whilst moving and the CID would need to work on SATNAV whilst that was happening. Only when I wanted to manually "flick a switch" would I want to feed the DVD output to the CID.

I don't want much eh?

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.patrick/moon.gif)

(Moon on a stick, in case you were wondering)



Believe that the screen only shifts to alternate source when it detects an input (part of the logic on that interface built onto the PCB has).
On the video link on that site you can see that all of the head unit menu's and the clock / source bar at the bottom disappear when the video source is turned on so the interface obviously drives the lcd panel directly.



That'd be OK though, I would expect a manual override switch, so that I could simply just break the signal, via the switch, whilst I was in motion, or didn't want to see the DVD/TV output, and if I wanted to watch the TV/DVD then I could flip the switch and expect to see that instead of the SATNAV.

Or have I missed your point here?

Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 February 2008, 19:30:45
No, it requires an external sppy to switch the unit.

The additional chip is a sync seperator which is being used to extract the requried synd for the sharp LCD display.....ow yes, its obsolete to!
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 19:42:47
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No, it requires an external sppy to switch the unit.

The additional chip is a sync seperator which is being used to extract the requried synd for the sharp LCD display.....ow yes, its obsolete to!


Sorry Mark,

If this answer is aimed at me; I don't understand it?

I'm not up on electronics, sorry :-[

Is it possible to have a DVD which outputs to screens in the head rests and to a manual switch, which when opened allows that same output to show on the CID and override the SATNAT output?

I only reckon I'll understand a "yes" or "no" in answer to this question. If it is a yes then I'd be interested in pursuing it as a potential option, if no, then I'll go back to sleep.

I'd still need to find a suitable way to have a DVD player somewhere in the car without losing my standard fitted Bose head unit. I want to keep that because I like the standard look, the SATNAV and the computer functions on the dash.

The more I think about it, the more I realise I may be barking up an empty tree here.  :(



Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 February 2008, 19:46:31
I've sent an email to the chap as it appears he will supply the board fully built.

Some interesting information on his site if you go back to the home page and browse.
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 February 2008, 20:03:43
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No, it requires an external sppy to switch the unit.

The additional chip is a sync seperator which is being used to extract the requried synd for the sharp LCD display.....ow yes, its obsolete to!


Sorry Mark,

If this answer is aimed at me; I don't understand it?

I'm not up on electronics, sorry :-[

Is it possible to have a DVD which outputs to screens in the head rests and to a manual switch, which when opened allows that same output to show on the CID and override the SATNAT output?

I only reckon I'll understand a "yes" or "no" in answer to this question. If it is a yes then I'd be interested in pursuing it as a potential option, if no, then I'll go back to sleep.

I'd still need to find a suitable way to have a DVD player somewhere in the car without losing my standard fitted Bose head unit. I want to keep that because I like the standard look, the SATNAV and the computer functions on the dash.

The more I think about it, the more I realise I may be barking up an empty tree here.  :(




.................yes!
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 21:02:54
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Is it possible to have a DVD which outputs to screens in the head rests and to a manual switch, which when opened allows that same output to show on the CID and override the SATNAV output?

.................yes!

Now you're talking my language  :y
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Albatross on 17 February 2008, 21:10:05
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I've sent an email to the chap as it appears he will supply the board fully built.

Some interesting information on his site if you go back to the home page and browse.

Assuming you the German for "home"  :-/

I don't understand a blinkin' thing. 1st off it's electronics and to make matters worse it may not even be in English. (I'm assuming it is German, but it might just be electronic speak which is going right over my head.)
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: tunnie on 17 February 2008, 21:11:46
can't see the point in a reversing camera, i find the Omega one of the easiest cars around to park.

I can see the boot, its even easier with an estate!
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: zirk on 17 February 2008, 22:41:51
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can't see the point in a reversing camera, i find the Omega one of the easiest cars around to park.

I can see the boot, its even easier with an estate!

True, but try Estate with Blacked out rear windows.
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Andy B on 17 February 2008, 22:53:49
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can't see the point in a reversing camera, i find the Omega one of the easiest cars around to park.

I can see the boot, its even easier with an estate!

True, but try Estate with Blacked out rear windows.

Mirrors on each door!  ;) We've used them for years on panel vans. ;D
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: VXL V6 on 18 February 2008, 08:58:51
Answer to my email....

130 Euros + delivery

So about £97 + Delivery at todays exchange rate.

Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 18 February 2008, 09:01:29
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Answer to my email....

130 Euros + delivery

So about £97 + Delivery at todays exchange rate.


Thieving scrote.....there is only about a tenners worth of bits....
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: tunnie on 18 February 2008, 10:09:51
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can't see the point in a reversing camera, i find the Omega one of the easiest cars around to park.

I can see the boot, its even easier with an estate!

True, but try Estate with Blacked out rear windows.

snap.

My diamond black Estate has tinted windows... still easy peasy!!

I can see the wiper... i just add on a bit for the bumper and towbar.
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: zirk on 18 February 2008, 13:06:03
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can't see the point in a reversing camera, i find the Omega one of the easiest cars around to park.

I can see the boot, its even easier with an estate!

True, but try Estate with Blacked out rear windows.

snap.

My diamond black Estate has tinted windows... still easy peasy!!

I can see the wiper... i just add on a bit for the bumper and towbar.

Think I need to check out why my rear windows are so dark then!, cant see bugger all at night.
Title: Re: CID Display external input?
Post by: zirk on 18 February 2008, 13:34:02
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RGB, but a little bit more involved than just plugging in.....

This may be of interest...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/hardwarekiller03/dvbtG.htm

Yes, just been sniffing their sites, lots of info on them.

Here's the Video of he's finished DVB on his Meggy Dash. (download AVi link).

http://home.arcor.de/v.ekoutsidis/tv_im_omega/10.avi