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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: FRE07962128 on 23 April 2008, 03:46:43
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In my recently acquired W reg 2.5 CDX Omega I have a "Traffic Master" button on the dashboard. When I press it a voice informs me that the registration has expired and gives me details on what to do to re-instate it.
Is this service of any use in these days of sat nav; can the button be used for something else, or is it best just to forget about it please? :-?
Lizzie Zoom :D
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
Pm sent
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PM sent too. ;) ;)
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And another :y
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and another :y
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
Does anyone know where the traffic Master box is located please? :o :o
Lizzie Zoom :D
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Usually tie wrapped up to the loom under the dash / above the drivers feet.
:y
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pm sent :)
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
This "little" secret is not getting much peace is it !!! :)
Just glad I don't have TM any more !!!
;D ;D ;D
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Usually tie wrapped up to the loom under the dash / above the drivers feet.
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Thanks for that! :y :y
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pm sent :)
I do not seem to be receiving these PM's; only had the ones from Dave & RedsV6 :-?
Lizzie Zoom :-?
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Lizzie ...
I think the PM's are all going to Dave .. to try and get his little secrets .... :)
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Lizzie ...
I think the PM's are all going to Dave .. to try and get his little secrets .... :)
Ah! That makes every sense! ;D
Lizzie Zoom ;)
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PM sent to Dave
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Just started to plumb mine into this car (not fitted originally). So far i've managed to fit........ the switch! ;D
Then it started to rain......
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
Does anyone know where the traffic Master box is located please? :o :o
Lizzie Zoom :D
Silver type are cable tied up. Yours being a 200 model, may be a Black plastic one (that will piss DND Dave off ;D) which will be double sided taped to top of heater duct above pedals.
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
Does anyone know where the traffic Master box is located please? :o :o
Lizzie Zoom :D
Silver type are cable tied up. Yours being a 200 model, may be a Black plastic one (that will piss DND Dave off ;D) which will be double sided taped to top of heater duct above pedals.
Thanks. Will be seeking it out this weekend!
Lizzie Zoom :y :y
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Another PM sent to Dave!!
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
Does anyone know where the traffic Master box is located please? :o :o
Lizzie Zoom :D
Silver type are cable tied up. Yours being a 200 model, may be a Black plastic one (that will piss DND Dave off ;D) which will be double sided taped to top of heater duct above pedals.
I know where mine is, on the shelf under my lappy table.
The gnome quickly decided to go on search and came back clutching it in his grubby paws for research purposes you understand. ;D ;D
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I knew mine was in the garage.
Just took me over 8 weeks to find the fekker..... ;)
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Pm sent Too...:)
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pm sent too :y
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
Does anyone know where the traffic Master box is located please? :o :o
Lizzie Zoom :D
Silver type are cable tied up. Yours being a 200 model, may be a Black plastic one (that will piss DND Dave off ;D) which will be double sided taped to top of heater duct above pedals.
I take those of us with the black button will be disappointed then.... ;D
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Yep sorry Dave me too!
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Intrigued, another Pm!
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And another PM sent.
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Another PM sent to Dave DND
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must have been something wrong with my old cdx tm. Complete waist of space, and 30 sobs. In a year i got 2 peeps out of it 1 in devon and 1 on a3 m25 junction. Load of crap in my experience. But thats just me be the sound of it.
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must have been something wrong with my old cdx tm. Complete waist of space, and 30 sobs. In a year i got 2 peeps out of it 1 in devon and 1 on a3 m25 junction. Load of crap in my experience. But thats just me be the sound of it.
mine was going ape on the way to lakes, so defo works well
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Pm sent
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I'm sending a PM too!
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Sorry Dave, another PM sent ;)
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Send to me, please
Thanks
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Would Dave’s secret extend to my (2000) facelift one (black button red T)?
Also help!
I have ignored my TM up to now, but occasionally I accidentally hit the T button and get the usual spiel about subscriptions (which again I ignore). But sometimes having hit the button it comes up with “Message” in the radio display and completely disables all radio controls, no sounds etc; can’t turn radio off even with key out and door locked. Pull out radio and reconnect, it comes on and still the “Message” appears in the display and no control over radio and no sounds. Have to disconnect battery to solve it (which is rather annoying).
Anyone know how to get rid of this “Message” when it appears? apart from disconnecting TM completely. I have hit all the buttons that I can think of when it occurs to try and read the message to no avail – anyone got the instructions for using TM with a Philips CCR 2006?
(by the way, nice pic iggy21uk)
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Would Dave’s secret extend to my (2000) facelift one (black button red T)?
Also help!
I have ignored my TM up to now, but occasionally I accidentally hit the T button and get the usual spiel about subscriptions (which again I ignore). But sometimes having hit the button it comes up with “Message” in the radio display and completely disables all radio controls, no sounds etc; can’t turn radio off even with key out and door locked. Pull out radio and reconnect, it comes on and still the “Message” appears in the display and no control over radio and no sounds. Have to disconnect battery to solve it (which is rather annoying).
Anyone know how to get rid of this “Message” when it appears? apart from disconnecting TM completely. I have hit all the buttons that I can think of when it occurs to try and read the message to no avail – anyone got the instructions for using TM with a Philips CCR 2006?
(by the way, nice pic iggy21uk)
Its not a mesage you can read, it displays message when a Traffic Alert is recieved and then mutes the Stereo and Plays the Message (in a female robo voice).
As far as I know if you de power the TM then it will stop diplaying message.
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Would Dave’s secret extend to my (2000) facelift one (black button red T)?
Also help!
I have ignored my TM up to now, but occasionally I accidentally hit the T button and get the usual spiel about subscriptions (which again I ignore). But sometimes having hit the button it comes up with “Message” in the radio display and completely disables all radio controls, no sounds etc; can’t turn radio off even with key out and door locked. Pull out radio and reconnect, it comes on and still the “Message” appears in the display and no control over radio and no sounds. Have to disconnect battery to solve it (which is rather annoying).
Anyone know how to get rid of this “Message” when it appears? apart from disconnecting TM completely. I have hit all the buttons that I can think of when it occurs to try and read the message to no avail – anyone got the instructions for using TM with a Philips CCR 2006?
(by the way, nice pic iggy21uk)
Its not a mesage you can read, it displays message when a Traffic Alert is recieved and then mutes the Stereo and Plays the Message (in a female robo voice).
As far as I know if you de power the TM then it will stop diplaying message.
Oh, forgot to mention DND Daves secret would extend to your Car.
Looks like Christmas is coming early again Dave :y
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PM Sent Dave. Is the secret still up for grabs?
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Hi,
I've used Trafficmaster for years, 1st in my Calibra with a standalone unit called Freeway, and then on my last Megga and now this one. I reckon it's really worth having - saved me hours of traffic holdups! But then I do about 20k miles a year.
Have PM'd Dave too :)
Keith
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Yet Another PM Chief
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
After starting this thread I think I will now ask please Dave for you know what! PM to be sent in a mo! ;D ;D ;)
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Hi,
I've used Trafficmaster for years, 1st in my Calibra with a standalone unit called Freeway, and then on my last Megga and now this one. I reckon it's really worth having - saved me hours of traffic holdups! But then I do about 20k miles a year.
Have PM'd Dave too :)
Keith
What's the cover like down this part of the world? I have always assumed outside the M25 car park 'twas useless
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certainly in my experience, motorways and major roads covered.
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certainly in my experience, motorways and major roads covered.
Cheers TB -- might give it a shot. At the mo I just rely on what little common sense I possess and Jane on the TomTom --- but, TM is responsive to traffic conditions, so has to be better
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certainly in my experience, motorways and major roads covered.
Cheers TB -- might give it a shot. At the mo I just rely on what little common sense I possess and Jane on the TomTom --- but, TM is responsive to traffic conditions, so has to be better
The Omega TM units are not wired up to satnavs though :(
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Pm sent to Dave, on 6th... Anyone had any reply yet....... :-?
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Pm sent to Dave, on 6th... Anyone had any reply yet....... :-?
Yes Dodger! This morning in reply to a PM late last night. :y :y
But I know he is a very busy man, alhtough I would remind him if I were you. ;)
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I have my reply too ;)
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Hi,
I've used Trafficmaster for years, 1st in my Calibra with a standalone unit called Freeway, and then on my last Megga and now this one. I reckon it's really worth having - saved me hours of traffic holdups! But then I do about 20k miles a year.
Have PM'd Dave too :)
Keith
What's the cover like down this part of the world? I have always assumed outside the M25 car park 'twas useless
It covers motorways and main (trunk) roads like A31, A3 etc.
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Hi,
Due to the high demand for this service, we have decided to restrict this to both established and/or very active members on the OOF forum. So if you are a newbie, or do not have many posts yet, then our apologies, you may not get a quick response, if at all.
Sorry if this sounds a little harsh, but we do love these technical forums, they are a great resource of knowledge and help, but sadly there are too many out there who like to log on only a few times, gleam all the info they can, and then never return or give anything back. Our secrets and TM services are therefore only going to be given to those who also contribute to the forum - after all, thats only fair don`t you think?
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sounds fair can you send me the info mate please cheers mark ::) ::)
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Hi,
Due to the high demand for this service, we have decided to restrict this to both established and/or very active members on the OOF forum. So if you are a newbie, or do not have many posts yet, then our apologies, you may not get a quick response, if at all.
Sorry if this sounds a little harsh, but we do love these technical forums, they are a great resource of knowledge and help, but sadly there are too many out there who like to log on only a few times, gleam all the info they can, and then never return or give anything back. Our secrets and TM services are therefore only going to be given to those who also contribute to the forum - after all, thats only fair don`t you think?
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Sounds more than fair Dave, and thanks to all the help you have already given to so many members. :y
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Just had reply from Dave, (thank you!) :y and agree on the policy of 'frequent users/contributors idea.
(have tried to be as helpful as my limited knowledge allows!!) and try to post helpful ideas/hints etc, as well aqs asking for help.
PS.... notice I am no longer a 'newbie' but have progressed to 'junior member :)
Long live OOF!!!
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No Dave, it's not at all fair. If you wanted to restrict this information why invite people to PM you? Perhaps you didn't anticipate the demand.
I've only recently joined and I am a novice at repairing my own vehicle so there is very limited opportunity for me to make a contribution. As a consequence it will be some time before my postings will add up to much. At the moment I don't have enough knowledge or experience to be able to "give anything back".
Despite this, several members have already been very generous in sharing their knowledge, experience and even their personal time.
As a direct result of meeting TB and Dunnie in person I will be attending the WIM meeting on 27th (if it goes ahead). I am looking forward to making some new friends there.
I'm only glad I encountered them first because if I had come across your attitude I would have been long gone. The beauty of this forum is that those with the knowledge share it with everyone, not just a select clique of favourites.
I think it is quite wrong to announce that you have a "secret" available on an open forum and then turn round and say that some people aren't worthy to share it.
If this is in fact a two-tier forum I would like to know how many posts it will take before one is accepted as part of the community that has full access. Perhaps the administrators should prepare a password protected senior area for those blessed ones worthy to receive DaveDND's secrets.
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Interesting points raised by Dave DND and Alex W.
Both I think are valid, yet contradictory.
Dave DND makes valid points about people who want something for nothing. Whilst as a forum, we are happy for people to come and browse, glean any information we post, and leave, some people (and not just Dave DND) would rather spend their limited resources helping those that 'put something back'
Alex W makes a valid point about some members - perhaps those that need OOF the most :-/ - aren't necessarily able to 'give much back', certainly technically.
As said, both views I think are equally valid from where I'm standing, and both should be equally respected.
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Interesting points raised by Dave DND and Alex W.
Both I think are valid, yet contradictory.
Dave DND makes valid points about people who want something for nothing. Whilst as a forum, we are happy for people to come and browse, glean any information we post, and leave, some people (and not just Dave DND) would rather spend their limited resources helping those that 'put something back'
Alex W makes a valid point about some members - perhaps those that need OOF the most :-/ - aren't necessarily able to 'give much back', certainly technically.
As said, both views I think are equally valid from where I'm standing, and both should be equally respected.
yes jaime got to agree with you very valid points from both sides :-/
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Alex, this is not a secret, but as far as i know, a hardware mod performed, not just a case of knowledge.
Also a tricky mod on some as well depending on your car.
If it was something you could easily do yourself, the info would be out there.
Also, neither of our cars have traffic master, so no mods on any of these cars, but the info is out there if you can find it.
Like you I joined up with no knowledge at all, but feel I have progressed well and will now tackle a fair few jobs, never ever got my hands dirty before.
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No Dave, it's not at all fair. If you wanted to restrict this information why invite people to PM you? Perhaps you didn't anticipate the demand.
I've only recently joined and I am a novice at repairing my own vehicle so there is very limited opportunity for me to make a contribution. As a consequence it will be some time before my postings will add up to much. At the moment I don't have enough knowledge or experience to be able to "give anything back".
Despite this, several members have already been very generous in sharing their knowledge, experience and even their personal time.
As a direct result of meeting TB and Dunnie in person I will be attending the WIM meeting on 27th (if it goes ahead). I am looking forward to making some new friends there.
I'm only glad I encountered them first because if I had come across your attitude I would have been long gone. The beauty of this forum is that those with the knowledge share it with everyone, not just a select clique of favourites.
I think it is quite wrong to announce that you have a "secret" available on an open forum and then turn round and say that some people aren't worthy to share it.
If this is in fact a two-tier forum I would like to know how many posts it will take before one is accepted as part of the community that has full access. Perhaps the administrators should prepare a password protected senior area for those blessed ones worthy to receive DaveDND's secrets.
Although I see the validity of both points raised, I would take issue with Alex feeling he is unable to contribute much due to his technical inexpertise ...... I am a mechanical moron --- no not an idiot robot, but my mechanical ineptidude knows no bounds, yet I try ( try!) to contribute in just being part of the community, as I learn I can help others (hopefully), but in the meantime feel I have something (as yet undefined) to contribute.
So, I would say to Alex ...."Jump in, join in and enjoy. Yes, it's a car forum -- but it's not ALL about cars"
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Hi Jimbob,
It was declared as "a little secret". But that is beside the point. I've had my current Elite for three years without TM and I'm not that bothered about it. My previous Omega had a full subscription but I found the messages were too late to be of much use as I'd already passed the motorway junction I was being warned to leave by (probably driving too fast, V6 Omegas are great motorway cars).
But if you don't want to share your "secrets" don't invite all sundry to pm for them. Its very insulting to be invited to request information and then be told that you're not good enough to be included in the clique.
Before my posting here no-one knew I had even sent a pm but many people HAD annouced in this thread that they were sending one and DaveDND has just publicly announced his personal disrespect for several of those members. He has compounded the insult by saying that he's not even going to bother with a personal reply, although it was he that invited everyone to waste their time with pm's in the first place. Now we have some members posting thanks and others being made to feel worthless.
If new members are going to be treated like that they won't stay around for long. I'm glad to say that everyone else I have encountered on the forum has been fantastically welcoming.
What we seem to have here is a guy running a business that appears to specialise in cracking proprietory coding information for commercial gain, that obviously involves a serious investment of time and resources. It must go against the grain for a businessman to be giving away knowledge of commercial value to him in a free forum when there is obviously great demand. I can't think what possessed him to offer it in the first place.
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I think I see both sides of this one, and feel both are partly correct. Dave DND offers to help 'fellow members' and says he feels only this applies only to 'bona fide' members, who give as well as take. But Alex feels that he is being 'victimised' as he is a 'newbie' and feels unable to 'give' as Dave DND wants.
I think, personally, that Dave means, 'people who just want help for free' not people who regularly visit the site, contribute (not just knowledge!) but also get involved in the discussions, join in the banter, etc. You'd be suprised how sometimes, you can help people with other areas, as in computers, general knowledge. Help comes in many different forms.
Dave probably just doesn't want people 'freeloading', ie: logging in, asking for help, then not coming back until they have another problem.
This is the way I read this, tho' please correct me if I am wrong!! :-/
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Alex,
May I take the oppurtunity to welcome you to OOF and to clarify a few points that you, and some others have raised.
But if you don't want to share your "secrets" don't invite all sundry to pm for them.
I didn`t, I replied to a question that Lizzie had asked and at no point did I ask everybody to email me.
Its very insulting to be invited to request information and then be told that you're not good enough to be included in the clique.
Again, I didn`t ask everybody to PM me, but I stand by my reasons for not replying to everybody.
Before my posting here no-one knew I had even sent a pm but many people HAD annouced in this thread that they were sending one
Can I state for the record, why on earth has everybody done that? I fail to see why a public forum needs an indication that a private PM has been sent?
DaveDND has just publicly announced his personal disrespect for several of those members. He has compounded the insult by saying that he's not even going to bother with a personal reply
I have little respect for people publicly pulling apart what I have said out of context. Climb down off your high horse my friend, take a deep breath and re-read what has been said and think about it before you go much further.
it was he that invited everyone to waste their time with pm's in the first place. Now we have some members posting thanks and others being made to feel worthless.
Again, no I didn`t - The invitation to send me a Private Message was to Lizzie. Quite why poeple have posted other comments as a result of my Private Messages to them is not something I can control or condone.
If new members are going to be treated like that they won't stay around for long. I'm glad to say that everyone else I have encountered on the forum has been fantastically welcoming.
If new members are going to throw tantrums towards people that they have never actually entered into a two way conversation with, is it any surprise that I too may become a little hostile when I finally get around to talking to you?
What we seem to have here is a guy running a business that appears to specialise in cracking proprietory coding information for commercial gain, that obviously involves a serious investment of time and resources. It must go against the grain for a businessman to be giving away knowledge of commercial value to him in a free forum when there is obviously great demand. I can't think what possessed him to offer it in the first place.
Yes, I am a Business, and I give an awful lot of my time and advice freely to members of OOF, but you appear to be making a lot of other assumptions about me for which you have no knowledge of. Besides, who said that anything was being given away in a Free forum? Its because of greedy "want something for nothing" attitudes such as yours that have prevented me from offering this to everybody, and this is exactly the reason why.
At the end of the day, I can understand the need for technical forums and the invaluable help that they can provide, and in order to promote activity in the forum, I want to ensure that there are no "Freeloaders" or people simply not willing to join in any threads or conversations or adding to any input.
So, I would say to Alex ...."Jump in, join in and enjoy. Yes, it's a car forum -- but it's not ALL about cars"
I woldn`t just say that to Alex, I`d say it to everybody. Its a good community out there, and the more you join in, the more benefits will become apparent from its memebers once you get to know them.
But what I would say to Alex though, is Know Thy Enemy ! because if you want to start a fight with me, then you really ought to get to know a bit about me first instead of just ranting away, or you may not realise what or who you are up against. >:(
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
I'm not taking side here but if this little secret was indeed just for Lizzie, why didn't you PM her direct, instead of posting it onto an open forum?
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But what I would say to Alex though, is Know Thy Enemy ! because if you want to start a fight with me, then you really ought to get to know a bit about me first instead of just ranting away, or you may not realise what or who you are up against. >:(
Uncalled for. Alex had a point he wanted to put across, which he did without slagging anybody, or asking for a fight.
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
:y
I'm not taking side here but if this little secret was indeed just for Lizzie, why didn't you PM her direct, instead of posting it onto an open forum?
A fair point indeed.
The reply was given in response to a question that Lizzie had raised, and was intended to give an indication that a solution was available but for whatever reason could not be placed on an open forum.
I had hoped that my comments would also imply that this may be a sensitive area, and that it would not be "Correct" to divulge some of the TM information in a public forum and so to prevent any moderators or OOF itself from getting into deep water, the reply was posted in a vain attempt to prevent people from discussing "openly" on the forum and to keep the conversation "Private"
There are aspects that I would love to discuss publically on the open forum, but legislation prevents me from doing so, and some caution has to therefore be given as to who is allowed to join in the "offline" conversations.
:-X
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Uncalled for. Alex had a point he wanted to put across, which he did without slagging anybody, or asking for a fight.
Really?
I have never conversed with Alex, nor have ever had any dealings with him, and yet he has just publically inferred to the OOF community that I have no respect for some of its members.
I take exceptional offence to that.
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Surely if you announce to the world you have a secret, even if you didn't mean it directly then the world is going to ask you what it is.
I sent a PM at the same time as Dodger and yet he has had a reply and I don't. yet we have similar status.
Dave if you wish to share your secret with others that is of course entirely up to you I will not think any more or less of you one way or the other....as you say I don't know you
Over the last few weeks I have felt more confident joining in on conversations that I'm not directly invited too. On the whole everybody is very helpful. I understand you feeling annoyed that your intergrity was being questioned but as for threatening behaviour that is not what I would expect from the adults that post here.[smiley=thumbdown.gif]
Let's hope that some of the newbies that have just joined don't read too far into this post, or we may just frighten them away.
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Tricky one, but if something’s a 'secret' then he’s not going to tell everyone willy-nilly is he? Regardless of where abouts he has stated that he knows some info on these TM boxes (public or passworded area).
I can see this from both points of view, however at the end of the day, Dave has to cover his own back. An therefore he only says this little secret to known members which I agree with.
Come on, Lets face it, you could be anyone out there... Hell you could even work for TM!!! ;D
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...... An therefore he only says this little secret to known members which I agree with. ......
So that makes all members equal. But some more equal than others.
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The impression that a lot of OOF'ers got, was that if you PM'd Dave he would share his 'secret'. At least the first handful to PM got the same impression as me.
I took my TM out when I first got the car so I had no interest in the 'secret' any way.
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This thread could turn very nasty if not carefull, and I do not want that.
Surely if you announce to the world you have a secret, even if you didn't mean it directly then the world is going to ask you what it is.
I sent a PM at the same time as Dodger and yet he has had a reply and I don't. yet we have similar status
I welcome being asked anything by anybody. Our Online Technical call centre receives 2000+ emails a day, but we do not always get around to answering each one. Brian, apologies, I thought I had responded to you, and have just done so.
Over the last few weeks I have felt more confident joining in on conversations that I'm not directly invited too. On the whole everybody is very helpful.
Thats the real beauty of the forum, anybody can have their say. You do not have to be technical to share your experiences, and to be honest some of the best technical information has been gained from passing comments made by the casual remarks made by non technical people.
I understand you feeling annoyed that your intergrity was being questioned but as for threatening behaviour that is not what I would expect from the adults that post here
I make no apologies for this. If somebody publically criticises my Company without even having the decency to strike up a conversation with me first, then expect hostilities from me. I am happy to receive criticism at any level, but have the decency to communicate with me at least once.
Let's hope that some of the newbies that have just joined don't read too far into this post, or we may just frighten them away.
I doubt that will happen, the OOFers are too nice a bunch of people.
Tricky one, but if something’s a 'secret' then he’s not going to tell everyone willy-nilly is he? Regardless of where abouts he has stated that he knows some info on these TM boxes (public or passworded area).
I can see this from both points of view, however at the end of the day, Dave has to cover his own back. An therefore he only says this little secret to known members which I agree with.
Come on, Lets face it, you could be anyone out there... Hell you could even work for TM!!!
Yes, I have to cover my own back, and also protect the OOF forum. Not necessarily from the information or services I am aware of, but it would be innappropriate to discuss this in a public forum. TM could get very upset with OOF if the conversation took a wrong turn. But that said, 99% of people I tell this to are not members that are known to me either, they are simply people who are playing an active part in the forum over a longer period of time.
So that makes all members equal. But some more equal than others.
Don`t know where that is coming from. The PM service has always been available to everybody, I have simply chosen to use it.
I do not answer every email, and I occasionally let the phone ring without answering - that does not make me a bad person, it means I am a busy one.
Please Please Please do not let this continue into a slagging match against any members as I do not want any further bad feeling to come out of this. Not everybody talks to each other, and sometimes they never will. There may be not be any reason for this, but instead of publically criticising any lack of communication, I would instead be respectful of the fact that there may indeed be a valid reason behind it.
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I think both sides have gotten their point across at this stage. I personally think that Alex_W was just a little too aggressive in his condemnation of Dave, and making assumptions about his character without even knowing him or recognising all the help he has given people in the past on this forum.
I think it says a lot for Dave's character that he has restrained himself from entering into a slagging match as that could easily have happened in this case.
Both sides have very valid points to make, but lets just keep it civil and not cast judgement.
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Phew! Have I missed the point, or is this an argument fired by the possibility of saving £30 a year? Surely not - that's 58p a week! Many people would have spent more on the electricity to run there computers just to read this stuff! ;)
Fair points made on both sides, but please, keep it real.
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lol !!
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Dave, I didn't question your integrity, I didn't criticise your company. I just criticised your handling of this, admittedly quite trivial, matter.
If you look at your inbox you will see that I did try to communicate with you directly by pm, in response to your original offer, but you announced to the whole forum that you wouldn't be replying to those that haven't made enough posts. Then you complain that I have criticised you on the forum without communicating with you directly.
To announce, publicly, that you will deal with some people but not others indicates to me that you hold some contributors in higher regard than others, if that is not, by default, showing disrespect for the "others" then obviously I don't understand the meaning of the word and if so, I apologise for its use.
The problems here are of your own making. You shouldn't have made the original offer to Lizzie in open forum but then, having albeit unintentionally, opened the "can of worms" you should have replied to everyone personally and privately, even if it was just to turn them down.
I am a gentle man in quite poor health and have no wish to make enemies of anyone. I am certainly not trying to pick fights. I do not understand why you feel the need to make veiled threats.
In view of your threatening demeanour I have decided that I will make no further posts to this forum and because of fears for my personal safety I cannot now attend the WIM event on 27th July.
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PM sent ;) only joking!
Can see from one side you can't give sensitive info out on a forum, and from another that others received the secret to everlasting life and love while he did not.
Surely this is all a misunderstanding technically? :)
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Dave, I didn't question your integrity, I didn't criticise your company. I just criticised your handling of this, admittedly quite trivial, matter.
If you look at your inbox you will see that I did try to communicate with you directly by pm, in response to your original offer, but you announced to the whole forum that you wouldn't be replying to those that haven't made enough posts. Then you complain that I have criticised you on the forum without communicating with you directly.
To announce, publicly, that you will deal with some people but not others indicates to me that you hold some contributors in higher regard than others, if that is not, by default, showing disrespect for the "others" then obviously I don't understand the meaning of the word and if so, I apologise for its use.
The problems here are of your own making. You shouldn't have made the original offer to Lizzie in open forum but then, having albeit unintentionally, opened the "can of worms" you should have replied to everyone personally and privately, even if it was just to turn them down.
I am a gentle man in quite poor health and have no wish to make enemies of anyone. I am certainly not trying to pick fights. I do not understand why you feel the need to make veiled threats.
In view of your threatening demeanour I have decided that I will make no further posts to this forum and because of fears for my personal safety I cannot now attend the WIM event on 27th July.
Over the top or what ??? I had some small sympathy for your point of view right up until you posted that..
Teddy, cot, spoilt brat behaviour all come to mind.... and you've just reinforced the opinion that you were here to "take" rather than "give ".
Just my opinion .. thats all :)
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I have decided that I will make no further posts to this forum and because of fears for my personal safety I cannot now attend the WIM event on 27th July.
Oh thats funny !!!
If I ever work out what on earth a WIM event is in time to go, you`ll know who I am, I`ll be the one rolling around the floor, doubled up in complete hysterics.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Besides, if its something to do with Omega gatherings, they won`t let me in anyway - I drive a Ferrari, not an Omega !!
::)
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Trafficmaster is still quite beneficial if you do a reasonable mileage, and from feedback given, works fairly well.
The only gripe everybody seems to have is the around £30 a year subscription that they charge. Obviously I cannot discuss this subscription issue any further on a public forum, but by all means PM me and I`ll let you into a little secret
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In answer to my original question I received this answer from Dave, aimed very much at me.
Dave with the best of intentions, and following much previous FREE help to OOF members, did this to help me. Following this post many members decided to post PM's to him, so much so that I held off from doing so to allow this very busy business man to get on and run his business. ;)
This thread was never intended to degenerated into a "I want" series of requests. Dave is doing this Forum a very BIG favour in providing techicle information to us when he can whilst having to cope with his business. :y
Whether or not he has got his communication wrong does not give anyone the excuse to attack Dave's intentions. >:( >:( >:( How anyway could he possibly be able to service even a 20% request rate from OOF members; 680 out of 3400 as I understand? He has a private business to run and just cannot meet all requests as some members seem to expect? ::) ::) ::) ::) :-?
It is totally unfair to Dave to have all this tirade of postings attacking, or questioning his motives when he has tried to help so many. :o :o :o
My recommendation is that everyone backs off, cools down, and leaves him alone before he decides, frankly as I would now, that all this is not worth it and cease to help the OOF members again.
My opinion as I now see the situation, but I value Dave too much to keep stum on this one! ::) ::)
All the best Dave; keep smilling!! ;) :y :y :y :y :y
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Lizzie,
As you posted the original question, I feel it only right that I can now blame you for all this.
Dave
xxx
:P :P ;D
I`ve laughed so much, I actually hurt at the moment ;D ;D ;D
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OK guys, fun is over, sorry.
I think both sides have been aired thoroughly, and no need for further discussion.
For the record, I agree with both sides of the debate, both are very valid.
But we've been there now, done it to death, time to move on.
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My personal feeling is this thread needs to be closed down now, before men in black start crawling over the topic!.
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Over the top or what ??? I had some small sympathy for your point of view right up until you posted that..
Teddy, cot, spoilt brat behaviour all come to mind.... and you've just reinforced the opinion that you were here to "take" rather than "give ".
Just my opinion .. thats all :)
Bl**dy Hell! :o
Agree entirely with the above comment in the light of the over reaction. Up until that point I too could see both sides of the "argument".
Have to say I pm'd Dave & he responded quickly - its now up to me to decide if I want to accept his offer. Thanx for replying Dave :y
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Have to say I pm'd Dave & he responded quickly - its now up to me to decide if I want to accept his offer. Thanx for replying Dave :y
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Well lucky for you that you would appear to be one of the "clique" then cos i pm'd him and got nothing.
I was right behind Dave until he threatened physical violence and right behind Alex until he over reacted by withdrawing from that event in fear of his life or whatever.
Dave shouldnt have advertised a "secret" if he doesnt understand human nature and Alex mate in future its best not to get involved with those on here who dont understand this site is for all and not just the "clique"
However, 30 quid a yr isnt the end of the world so its a storm in a teacup if you ask me.
And show me anyone who DOESNT want anything for nothing and I will show you a liar........
MW
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Besides, if its something to do with Omega gatherings, they won`t let me in anyway - I drive a Ferrari, not an Omega !!
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I see from this that Dave is obviously a decent and modest chap then...... and it appears to be true what they say about ferrari drivers......;D
Would sooner have an Aston to be honest.......
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cant help thinking its a bit rude to demand anything of anyone. esp someone who is very busy trying to help as best he can, has helped numerous people in the past and, most importantly if you have any sense at all you will realise, will HAVE to draw the line somewhere.
Chill dude.
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Chill dude.
Exactly.
And as TB said - Time to move on . . . . .
:-X
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Right, sorry, as it appears people can't leave this alone, LOCKED >:(