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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: ngrainqey on 11 October 2008, 22:09:20
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hiya, i bought a tc button (the one with large spacers to the left of it which is to the left of the radio)
i'v looked behind the stupid cubby hold and theres no wiring for the switch.
what do i do lol? i know i have to add the wiring but how and to where lol!
thanks
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all v6 should have the tc button anyway, only 4 cylinder and diesels dont
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all v6 should have the tc button anyway, only 4 cylinder and diesels dont
well mines a 2.0 16v so has the 4 pot body loom
which means that the tc button wiring could be under the 8? buttons above the radio but nothing seems to be to the right of the radio
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all v6 should have the tc button anyway, only 4 cylinder and diesels dont
It's unlikly to have TC in the first place been a 2ltr 4 pot engine, chances are there will be no loom to plug into
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what exactly would i have to do if i wanted wiring for it then? asin what would a have to have wires between. - i know i'd need a wire from the abs sensor/control unit and possibly the output shaft speed sensor on the gearbox but what else? ecu?
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Think it's a look in the haynes book of lies. :y :y
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Think it's a look in the haynes book of lies. :y :y
lol i would but it doesnt say for example.. to add tc to the standard body ecu loom on a 2.0 prefacelift- you need: blah blah blah and then you splice such and such red wire from such and such relay from the ecu and connect it to such and such lol
they should make a how2 guide me thinks...
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all v6 should have the tc button anyway, only 4 cylinder and diesels dont
well mines a 2.0 16v so has the 4 pot body loom
which means that the tc button wiring could be under the 8? buttons above the radio but nothing seems to be to the right of the radio
You can't do it - the ABS ECU and Engine ECU do not have the capability.
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TB what about if hes upgraded the engine...would have thought the 2.5 ecu he has now would have the capability as the car its from had TC/ABS...so if the TC/ABS unit from a v6 was installed, would it be possible then?
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TB what about if hes upgraded the engine...would have thought the 2.5 ecu he has now would have the capability as the car its from had TC/ABS...so if the TC/ABS unit from a v6 was installed, would it be possible then?
Ah, misread.
The engine ecu has it. The ABS ECU *may* be able to be reconfiged to have it, then its a case of following the wiring diagrams to ensure the wiring all there, I would imagine the wiring to be fairly simple.
Thinking about it, engine loom wiring would be there (as part of 2.5 loom), I imagine body loom for in cabin would have it anyway, so just need to check ABS loom...
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With his car being a 95...would the ABS/TC unit need to be out of an earlier model or would the later 98 onwards units work fine too??? As they are different I believe although not sure in what way, just obviously look different...
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With his car being a 95...would the ABS/TC unit need to be out of an earlier model or would the later 98 onwards units work fine too??? As they are different I believe although not sure in what way, just obviously look different...
ABS would have to come from same era - ie, up to 1997, or 1998 onwards.
Not entirely sure if non TC ABS units can be programmed for TC, initial reaction is they can't
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has anybody got a none tc abs unit and a tc abs unit and compare part numbers maybe?
might need one... and no probs for misreading "theboy"
i'v only really put that its now a 2.5 in my "drives" section
thanks
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UNIT, CONTROL, ABS (BOSCH 0273004042) 20SE, X20SE, X20XEV, U25TD, X25TD -V1999999 90444661 12 37 644 1
UNIT, CONTROL, ABS (INCLUDES GASKET AND SCREWS) (BOSCH 1273004205) 20SE, X20SE, X20XEV, X20DTH, U25TD, X25TD W1000001- X1999999 9117173 62 37 699 1
UNIT, CONTROL, ABS (INCLUDES GASKET AND SCREWS) (BOSCH 1273004207) X20XEV, Y22XE, Z22XE, X20DTH, Y22DTH, X25TD Y1000001- 9192237 12 37 449 1
UNIT, CONTROL, ABS (BOSCH 0273004049) (NLS.- USE 90541367) X25XE, X30XE R1000001- V1006448 (90444662) (12 37 645) 1
UNIT, CONTROL, ABS (BOSCH 0273004170) X25XE, X30XE V1006449- V1999999 90541367 62 37 575 1
UNIT, CONTROL, ABS (BOSCH 1273004206) X25XE, X30XE W1000001- 9117171 62 37 698 1
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So for 1995 with v6 engine, 90444662 or 90541367
1995 with non TC ABS unit, 90444661
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so does anybody have either 90444662 or 90541367 tc/abs ecu :P
thanks theboy
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Have to ask why you want it fitted.
Fugging useless piece of kit. Allows you to step completely out, before cutting the power once you've caught it......not even any good in the wet.....Emergency services will be pulling you out of a hedge and the TC will finally twig :-/
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Have to ask why you want it fitted.
Fugging useless piece of kit. Allows you to step completely out, before cutting the power once you've caught it......not even any good in the wet.....Emergency services will be pulling you out of a hedge and the TC will finally twig :-/
I disagree. It does what it says on the tin. No more, no less. It is an aid, not an inhibitor to reckless driving.
Mine has curtailed a few slides from over ambitious exits from corners, but never tried it beyond what I think the chassis and I can manage.
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I know that.
And it rarely kicks in, as im not a recless driver, but its sooooooooo slow, and if your an in experienced driver it allows the car to completely go before cutting the car. Is very dangourous if inexperienced drivers try to make a quick getaway from wet junctions.
PS. I take one of my migs drifting on a regular basis, and know both my and its limits.
I never put it into practice on the road what I do on the track, but in my opinion, the device is too slow, which makes it dangerous.
But thats my opinion :y
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I know that.
And it rarely kicks in, as im not a recless driver, but its sooooooooo slow, and if your an in experienced driver it allows the car to completely go before cutting the car. Is very dangourous if inexperienced drivers try to make a quick getaway from wet junctions.
PS. I take one of my migs drifting on a regular basis, and know both my and its limits.
I never put it into practice on the road what I do on the track, but in my opinion, the device is too slow, which makes it dangerous.
But thats my opinion :y
I can boot mine from a standing start pulling out of junction, and if I'm an idiot and keep my foot planted, mine will bog down with reduced engine power, as it should. No tail flicks.
If I slightly overcook going around a roundabout, it cuts in and keeps it in line. Never tried purposely overcooking roundabouts/corners with TC on (with it off, maybe ::)).
I wonder if yours isn't working right :-/
Obviously, on the roads, like the ABS etc, the idea is to drive within capabilities of chassis/tyres, so electronic aids not required. Well, thats the theory, anyway ;D
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I tend to agree with The Boy here myn works exactly the same as TB describes his
1 question to cure my curiosity does a 3.2/2.6 mig have a t/c button as the vectra GSi/SRi 2.6's had t/c but you couldnt switch it off unless you rewired a switch in
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You knew the answer already I'm sure but yes I have one here...ABS/TC unit with ECU in good working order :) From an N reg elite...
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I know that.
And it rarely kicks in, as im not a recless driver, but its sooooooooo slow, and if your an in experienced driver it allows the car to completely go before cutting the car. Is very dangourous if inexperienced drivers try to make a quick getaway from wet junctions.
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I'm with you Alex. TC is On or OFF & IMHO it should allow a bit of slip before butting in to prevent the bogging down as you describe. Christ knows what TC would be like in a manual where you don't have the slip that you do with an auto. An even bigger PITA! ;) ;)
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my mv6 is a manual and as i say in a manual it works excellent!
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Behaves the same in all 3 of my manuals (one's fitted with a slipper), and my auto :-? .....
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Behaves the same in all 3 of my manuals (one's fitted with a slipper), and my auto :-? .....
lol wish i had an lsd :P
got stuck a few times in fields with one wheel spinning. i'v read that there's a percentage lockup on the standard diff but it wasnt enough in a wet field! lol
in my experience in gm's or chevrolets (this is based on my dads old camaro) it kicks in after a "few" moments- which is usually after youve got the wheels to spin and have fun. so in some cases it could catch you out i spose but most of the time performed well enough as it was only an aid!
anyway i thought my 2.0 was quite easy to cope with-have to let you all know what happens when i get it running with the 2.5 in ;)
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i added the TC button to my 2.2 only because i CANT STAND blank switches or unsymetrical dash boards lol. it doesnt do nowt, although it does light up with the side lights, so there must be some kinda wiring there.
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i added the TC button to my 2.2 only because i CANT STAND blank switches or unsymetrical dash boards lol. it doesnt do nowt, although it does light up with the side lights, so there must be some kinda wiring there.
lol i dont really like the blanks but iv not got to the point where they have to be symetrical lol!
i'll have to have the central console/climate control thingy bit off lol and see if i can find the plug for the tc switch in there
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all v6 should have the tc button anyway, only 4 cylinder and diesels dont
some early models with satnav option didnt come with tc button; tc is wired into place as normal but no button connected, so permanently on. you can get smaller centre dash button from later model and connect it as they have the same spades if satnav etc in the way of original large button placement. i think you told me that come to think of it TB! if no satnav is in place and no tc button is in place (and the storage compartment is there), and you think you've got tc on the car then look for these behind the storage compartment. you should be able to wire a big button up where it belongs no problem.
look for these behind big button blanks / sat nav / storage compartment:
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm317/audiojustice/oof/whatsthis1.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm317/audiojustice/oof/whatsthis2.jpg)
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all v6 should have the tc button anyway, only 4 cylinder and diesels dont
some early models with satnav option didnt come with tc button; tc is wired into place as normal but no button connected, so permanently on. you can get smaller centre dash button from later model and connect it as they have the same spades if satnav etc in the way of original large button placement. i think you told me that come to think of it TB! if no satnav is in place and no tc button is in place (and the storage compartment is there), and you think you've got tc on the car then look for these behind the storage compartment. you should be able to wire a big button up where it belongs no problem.
look for these behind big button blanks / sat nav / storage compartment:
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm317/audiojustice/oof/whatsthis1.jpg)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm317/audiojustice/oof/whatsthis2.jpg)
i looked for them the other day dan and couldnt see them :( unless they're pushed out of the way