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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: VXL V6 on 28 October 2008, 08:57:06
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Does anyone know where to get either Phillips or Bosch 6000K HID bulbs at decent prices?
Think i'm going to put my original 4300K Phillips bulbs back in as intermittently the ebay specials won't strike. This can be either side at any random time so i'm sure it's not the igniters coupled with the fact that when the phillips bulbs were in they struck first time every time.
Nice job to do at night in the freezing cold!
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Interesting, as I was looking at getting some.
Jimbob seems happy with his, though not sure he's done a winter yet.
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Yep, been very happy with my 'no make' cheapies, been perfect over a year
much better than the 8 year old ones they replaced.
I wouldnt buy 6000K again though, found the (new) 4300's do illuminate better,
I would probably look for those, or 5000K.
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Do you know which seller you bought them off?
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dug out the invoice...
bought July 07 from Autobulbsdirect off ebay..
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/autobulbsdirect_W0QQ_in_kwZ1
or
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk
now about £15 more a pair delivered than I paid.
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I wouldnt but 6000K again though, found the (new) 4300's do illuminate better,
I would probably look for those, or 5000K.
Can someone explain these numbers to me please?
You all know I`m a non Omega owner, but just trying to keep up to speed with you all, and curious as to what these numbers mean?
I`m presuming some sort of intensity? If so, do the "ballast packs" (if I have this right), operate with all intensities of bulbs, or are there different ones for different bulbs etc?
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Purely colour temperature (colour).
Common ones are :
4300K (Kelvin) - A yellowey light, but provides the best illumination
6000K - A pure White / slight blue tint, looks good, good illumination
8000K - Bluey Light, showy, not so illuminating
10000K - Purpley Light - great for photos, shows etc, not so good on the road.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-HID-XENON-PAIR-OEM-REPLACEMENT-BULBS-D2S-6000K-8000K_W0QQitemZ320303254939QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320303254939&_trkparms=72%3A1301|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
shows some examples
Ballast packs are the same regardless.
Think it is acheived using gas levels in the bulb
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Purely colour temperature (colour).
Common ones are :
4300K (Kelvin) - A yellowey light, but provides the best illumination
6000K - A pure White / slight blue tint, looks good, good illumination
8000K - Bluey Light, showy, not so illuminating
10000K - Purpley Light - great for photos, shows etc, not so good on the road.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-HID-XENON-PAIR-OEM-REPLACEMENT-BULBS-D2S-6000K-8000K_W0QQitemZ320303254939QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320303254939&_trkparms=72%3A1301|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
shows some examples
Ballast packs are the same regardless.
Think it is acheived using gas levels in the bulb
Cheers ! Now understood :y
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No worries, should have added, the Vauxhall OEM ones are 4300K
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Purely colour temperature (colour).
Common ones are :
4300K (Kelvin) - A yellowey light, but provides the best illumination
6000K - A pure White / slight blue tint, looks good, good illumination
8000K - Bluey Light, showy, not so illuminating
10000K - Purpley Light - great for photos, shows etc, not so good on the road.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-HID-XENON-PAIR-OEM-REPLACEMENT-BULBS-D2S-6000K-8000K_W0QQitemZ320303254939QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item320303254939&_trkparms=72%3A1301|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
shows some examples
Ballast packs are the same regardless.
Think it is acheived using gas levels in the bulb
Its achieved by adding impurities into the bulb to alter the colour temp.
Any way, some info the Kelvin Colour temperature rating.....and how sometyhing that is normaly associated with heat is apllied to light!
"The color temperature of a light source is determined by comparing its hue with a theoretical, heated black body radiator.
The Kelvin temperature at which the heated black-body radiator matches the hue of the light source is that source's color
temperature, and it is directly related to Planck's Law". (Wikepedia).
So, in simple terms, it relates to the FACT that when something is heated up it changes colour.......and these colours were charted by a guy called Mr Kelvin! The colours that these heated bodies gave off have been assigned a K rating....and the hue of the bulb light ouput is compared to this standard!
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Should also add that subjectively, 5000K is perceived to be the optimum temperature of light to support activities requiring concentration.........but this is subjective!
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Should also add that subjectively, 5000K is perceived to be the optimum temperature of light to support activities requiring concentration.........but this is subjective!
I think you`ve just answered the question I was about to ask !
I previously assumed that the higher the Kelvin figure, the brighter the bulb? but if I understand correctly then, the higher the Kelvin figure, the purer the colour intensity, but not necessarily a colour spectrum given off that is as useable to the human eye, with the optimium being 5000K? if that makes sense?
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Should also add that subjectively, 5000K is perceived to be the optimum temperature of light to support activities requiring concentration.........but this is subjective!
I think you`ve just answered the question I was about to ask !
I previously assumed that the higher the Kelvin figure, the brighter the bulb? but if I understand correctly then, the higher the Kelvin figure, the purer the colour intensity, but not necessarily a colour spectrum given off that is as useable to the human eye, with the optimium being 5000K? if that makes sense?
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Yup, which is why the 4-6000 range is popular
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Should also add that subjectively, 5000K is perceived to be the optimum temperature of light to support activities requiring concentration.........but this is subjective!
I think you`ve just answered the question I was about to ask !
I previously assumed that the higher the Kelvin figure, the brighter the bulb? but if I understand correctly then, the higher the Kelvin figure, the purer the colour intensity, but not necessarily a colour spectrum given off that is as useable to the human eye, with the optimium being 5000K? if that makes sense?
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Nope, the K rating relates to the Hue......nothing to do with the brightness.
Although in theory, if you get the optimum Hue then you can tolerate a lower light output or the light will appear brighter for the same intensity
e.g. if we assume that all HID bulbs no matter what the K rating are the same efficiency and consume the standard 35W....then a 5000K bulb will appear brighter although the light intensity of them all will be the same (but of different sections of the spectrum)
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And Mr Kelvin was British - unlike Mr Farenheight
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.....- unlike Mr Farenheight
Who's he? ::) ::) :y :y
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.....- unlike Mr Farenheight
Who's he? ::) ::) :y :y
Some obsolete thing reserved only for yanks and the over 40's
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.....- unlike Mr Farenheight
Who's he? ::) ::) :y :y
Some obsolete thing reserved only for yanks and the over 40's
....... and when you're ill and when the weather is hot ...........
if you're talking about Mr Fahrenheit :y :y :y :y
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.....- unlike Mr Farenheight
Who's he? ::) ::) :y :y
Some obsolete thing reserved only for yanks and the over 40's
....... and when you're ill and when the weather is hot ...........
if you're talking about Mr Fahrenheit :y :y :y :y
Not me......Fahrenheit was the title of a film....and nothing else
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Not me......Fahrenheit was the title of a film....and nothing else
but if someone said that they had a temp of 103, you'd know they were ill. ;) :y
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Not me......Fahrenheit was the title of a film....and nothing else
but if someone said that they had a temp of 103, you'd know they were ill. ;) :y
Nope.....if you said a temp of 38degC I would.
Same as I know that 28degC or above is bloody hot
Fahrenheit means absolutely diddly squat to me!
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Same as I know that 28degC .....
is the same as 82 deg F ;)
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Same as I know that 28degC .....
is the same as 82 deg F ;)
The only imperial measurements I can visualise is feet and inches (although I always use meters and mm's).....cant realy get my head round how far a mile is (and dont knwo how many yards it is!)
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The only imperial measurements I can visualise is feet and inches (although I always use meters and mm's).....
Half a litre of Carlsberg/etc etc doesn't really have the same ring to it as 'A pint of ...... please' ;) ;)
cant realy get my head round how far a mile is (and dont knwo how many yards it is!)
Even though your odometer clocks up on miles? :-/ ;D
1760 yds to a mile. :y
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The only imperial measurements I can visualise is feet and inches (although I always use meters and mm's).....
Half a litre of Carlsberg/etc etc doesn't really have the same ring to it as 'A pint of ...... please' ;) ;)
cant realy get my head round how far a mile is (and dont knwo how many yards it is!)
Even though your odometer clocks up on miles? :-/ ;D
1760 yds to a mile. :y
A litre sounds far more appealing.......but not of euro fizz thanks.
Just because I ahev something that tells me how many miles I have traveled, does not mean I can appreciate how far it is.....I can appreciate ho far 1Km is, mainly becasue we were made to run 1km as part of school sports day but...I can also picture 1000m's!
Same for weight....I know Kilos and grams, pounds and ounces are alien tome.
I am actualy ashamed of the Uk as a whole in there unwillingness to turn metric :-[
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I am actualy ashamed of the Uk as a whole in there unwillingness to turn metric :-[
The UK must have some kind of fondness for a lot of the imperial weights & measures - as daft as some of them are. The powers that be have been trying to convert us for the last 35 years.
My kids are unsure of which units are which ie what are Imperial & what are metric.
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I am actualy ashamed of the Uk as a whole in there unwillingness to turn metric :-[
The UK must have some kind of fondness for a lot of the imperial weights & measures - as daft as some of them are. The powers that be have been trying to convert us for the last 35 years.
My kids are unsure of which units are which ie what are Imperial & what are metric.
I tried singing in metric,
but
"two point five four centimetre worm"
didn`t quite have the same charm as "Inchworm"
:D ;D ;D
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I am actualy ashamed of the Uk as a whole in there unwillingness to turn metric :-[
The UK must have some kind of fondness for a lot of the imperial weights & measures - as daft as some of them are. The powers that be have been trying to convert us for the last 35 years.
My kids are unsure of which units are which ie what are Imperial & what are metric.
I tried singing in metric,
but
"two point five four centimetre worm"
didn`t quite have the same charm as "Inchworm"
:D ;D ;D
Very good Dave! ;D ;D ;D
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I am actualy ashamed of the Uk as a whole in there unwillingness to turn metric :-[
The UK must have some kind of fondness for a lot of the imperial weights & measures - as daft as some of them are. The powers that be have been trying to convert us for the last 35 years.
My kids are unsure of which units are which ie what are Imperial & what are metric.
I tried singing in metric,
but
"two point five four centimetre worm"
didn`t quite have the same charm as "Inchworm"
:D ;D ;D
Way before my time !
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Way before my time !
Ah! So you would remember then the Proclaimers
"I would walk One Thousand Six Hundred and Nine point three Four Four Kilometers" then ?
not quite the catchy classic of "walking One Thousand Miles" ?
;D
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dug out the invoice...
bought July 07 from Autobulbsdirect off ebay..
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/autobulbsdirect_W0QQ_in_kwZ1
or
http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk
now about £15 more a pair delivered than I paid.
Thanks Jimbob!
Anybody for a Yard of ale?
I'd love to see the reaction at any stables if you asked what the metric height of any of their horses are!!!
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.....- unlike Mr Farenheight
Who's he? ::) ::) :y :y
Some obsolete thing reserved only for yanks and the over 40's
OI I'm over 40!
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Not me......Fahrenheit was the title of a film....and nothing else
but if someone said that they had a temp of 103, you'd know they were ill. ;) :y
Steaming!!!!
No actually they would be VERY cold
It is about 275 outside at the moment!
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No actually they would be VERY cold
It is about 275 outside at the moment!
Everybody loves a smart arse! ;)
But when you take your kids temp & your Mrs asks what it is, you don't normally state the units it's being measured in ...... :y just the number! I do anyway.
& I don't measure in Kelvin .... ;) ;)
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OI I'm over 40!
There's quite a few of us here who can say the same. ;D ;D ;D
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OI I'm over 40!
There's quite a few of us here who can say the same. ;D ;D ;D
Not me... .....yet
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OI I'm over 40!
There's quite a few of us here who can say the same. ;D ;D ;D
Not me... .....yet
You'll get there ......
Trouble is I've seen more 40 somethings than I have left to go. :( :( :y
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I think metric system is more practical for calculations as its always in powers of 10..
In university I used English units as most of the books are either English or American origin. But conversion and calculations are not very practical IMHO..
As for the HID..I used 6000 K and I'm really pleased with it..
ps :the only thing that disturbs me is the price of philips bulbs as I dont know what time they will need replacing they say thousands of hours :o
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From the posts that I have read 8 years of dark UK winters seems to be the average life. When the fail, they stop 'striking' like an old flourescent tube.
Cem - do you have to use yours in the daytime? (Lots of cars in your pictures have lights on)
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From the posts that I have read 8 years of dark UK winters seems to be the average life. .....
Bu66er! :-? That'll be the kiss of death mine then :-/. By your reckoning they've been on borrowed time for a couple of years. ;) ;) ;)
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From the posts that I have read 8 years of dark UK winters seems to be the average life. .....
Bu66er! :-? That'll be the kiss of death mine then :-/. By your reckoning they've been on borrowed time for a couple of years. ;) ;) ;)
Yeah, and both my cars as well. Though saying that, not sure they are as good as they once where, whether due to bulb or lens, I guess only one way to find out...
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Well i've put my OEM Phillips ones back in as i'm fed up of the eBay ones not striking intermittently.
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my philips ones are dying out now! theyre 10yrs old nearly and are going purpley! think i mite get a set of them jimbob cheers for the link!
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From the posts that I have read 8 years of dark UK winters seems to be the average life. When the fail, they stop 'striking' like an old flourescent tube.
Cem - do you have to use yours in the daytime? (Lots of cars in your pictures have lights on)
very late answer sorry :-[ :-[
mostly in day time I dont use them..
the exception is very cloudy or fogy days..
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Well i've put my OEM Phillips ones back in as i'm fed up of the eBay ones not striking intermittently.
Don`t know what these are like http://www.car-mod-shop.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=217
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From the posts that I have read 8 years of dark UK winters seems to be the average life. When the fail, they stop 'striking' like an old flourescent tube.
Cem - do you have to use yours in the daytime? (Lots of cars in your pictures have lights on)
very late answer sorry :-[ :-[
mostly in day time I dont use them..
the exception is very cloudy or fogy days..
Late answer2!
Thanks for the reply. I wondered if you had to have them on during the day by law. The EU states that all new vehicles here will have them by 2012.
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From the posts that I have read 8 years of dark UK winters seems to be the average life. When the fail, they stop 'striking' like an old flourescent tube.
Cem - do you have to use yours in the daytime? (Lots of cars in your pictures have lights on)
very late answer sorry :-[ :-[
mostly in day time I dont use them..
the exception is very cloudy or fogy days..
Late answer2!
Thanks for the reply. I wondered if you had to have them on during the day by law. The EU states that all new vehicles here will have them by 2012.
Nope..there is no law here that forces to use them on day time..