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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: V6CDBOY on 07 January 2009, 18:20:41
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Hi All
I've just bought my first Omega (pick it up on Friday) its a 2001 2.6 v6 CD spec.
I want some form of sat nav what would you recomend. Don't realy want to use a Tom Tom or similar.
Any help!!
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A factory fit one would cost a fortune, be alot of trouble to fit and even if you could find one it won't work as well as a Tom Tom :(
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Ok thanks. In that case Tom Tom it will have to be.
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NCDC2013 and a CID, and some very minor wiring changes.
Although less features than a PDA Tomtom, probably nearly same features as a portable TomTom, with exception of now camera warnings.
Factory fit ones certainly work a damn sight better than portable/PDA units, plus no tell-tale round marks on windscreen, persuading every scumbag to smash a window looking for tomtom in glovebox...
I don't use my PDA tomtom now, purely the NCDx/CID system :y
The downside is cost - expect to pay £500+ for a 2nd hand depaired CID and NCDC.
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There is no way that a £99 Tom Tom will work anywhere near as well as a dedicated In Car Sat nav that uses gyroscopes and speed sensors to determine vehicle positions, and then confirms this by checking the data with the gps location.
Tom Tom and similar can only ever work within the accuracy limit of the gps signal.
Not to say that Tom Tom`s do not have their place, they do, but they cannot be compared to a true in car system.
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Only problem I can think of with factory fit is no postcode lookup, but it's a very very small gripe.
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Only problem I can think of with factory fit is no postcode lookup, but it's a very very small gripe.
I thought that some of the later software supported Postcode?
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tomtom software, imho has the best available, features, easy to use, cameras, traffic.
But as said, the actual navigation/positioning/start up time of the omega system is instant, and has newer missed a beat. Bad weather built up areas dont bother it. Such a shame tmc does not work for traffic info.
Tomtom stand alone, and mobile devices more so, as said can take a good 5 mins to locate on start up, esp with tall buildings about.
Tomtom software on the head unit would be best of both worlds but obviously no chance of that.
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Everyday useability of a Tom Tom is so much better than the Omega Sat Nav, speed cameras, KFC, Ronnies, speed limits, POI and as for accuracy I think if it can get you within 20ft of your destination you can't get that lost in 20ft and for £100 to £150 bargain :)
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I use my Nokia N95 for navigation, it connects via bluetooth and mutes the radio/cd whilst speaking announcements and sits comfortably next to the auto stick for a good signal. Cheap and cheerful but works well
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Only problem I can think of with factory fit is no postcode lookup, but it's a very very small gripe.
I thought that some of the later software supported Postcode?
I'm using the 2007/08 CD and there's no postcode :'( . I've an offer from Navteq to upgrade to 2008/09 for £66 but I don't know if that will offers anything new.
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Only problem I can think of with factory fit is no postcode lookup, but it's a very very small gripe.
I thought that some of the later software supported Postcode?
I'm using the 2007/08 CD and there's no postcode :'( . I've an offer from Navteq to upgrade to 2008/09 for £66 but I don't know if that will offers anything new.
The later disc for the previous Carin system in the preface lift gives partial post codes, but it seems to find street names better.
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Only problem I can think of with factory fit is no postcode lookup, but it's a very very small gripe.
I thought that some of the later software supported Postcode?
I'm using the 2007/08 CD and there's no postcode :'( . I've an offer from Navteq to upgrade to 2008/09 for £66 but I don't know if that will offers anything new.
The later disc for the previous Carin system in the preface lift gives partial post codes, but it seems to find street names better.
5 letter postcodes, not much use. Carin suffers another problem in selecting right road if many same name roads in the district
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SiRf InstantFix II - calculates the patterns and positions of available GPS satellites up to three days in advance. This ensures faster vehicle positioning when route calculation starts. Newer mobile sat-navs have this feature.
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SiRf InstantFix II - calculates the patterns and positions of available GPS satellites up to three days in advance. This ensures faster vehicle positioning when route calculation starts. Newer mobile sat-navs have this feature.
Still not a patch on factory fit items, which can work accurately even without and valid gps signal
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I have both the built-in colour Satnav and an old tomtom700.
For ease of use, and practicality I'm afraid the TT wins every time.
The touch screen, postcodes, favourites, programmable Points of interest (that allow speed cameras), position of screen (just a slight glance off driver view line) and the fact that it is easily updateable on-line all make it a far more user friendly system IMHO.
The built in screen is bigger, but due to the age of the software, has less detail, it takes a definate "head down" movement to view. Setting a destination is a total pain, and IME many addresses are "missing", or not logically obtainable.
I agree a modern built-in Sat nav is probably better than a TT, but my car is 8 years old, therefore the SatNav is at least that, and probably older, and it has not been updated.
The TT is physically old, but the software and maps are new as I have updated at regular intervals. The latest Operating System and Maps were September 2008 (I'll shortly have even newer versions installed :) )
Just my 2 p's worth .. nowt else .. :)
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I have both the built-in colour Satnav and an old tomtom700.
For ease of use, and practicality I'm afraid the TT wins every time.
The touch screen, postcodes, favourites, programmable Points of interest (that allow speed cameras), position of screen (just a slight glance off driver view line) and the fact that it is easily updateable on-line all make it a far more user friendly system IMHO.
The built in screen is bigger, but due to the age of the software, has less detail, it takes a definate "head down" movement to view. Setting a destination is a total pain, and IME many addresses are "missing", or not logically obtainable.
I agree a modern built-in Sat nav is probably better than a TT, but my car is 8 years old, therefore the SatNav is at least that, and probably older, and it has not been updated.
The TT is physically old, but the software and maps are new as I have updated at regular intervals. The latest Operating System and Maps were September 2008 (I'll shortly have even newer versions installed :) )
Just my 2 p's worth .. nowt else .. :)
See, I think that the Police should pull anyone sticking gadgets on the screen, blocking view.
How many times have you followed some idiot who has the thing halfway up the screen, right in the middle? Idiots.
I frequently follow this retard in some little shitbox car to work. He has 2 phones and a large satnav (looks like one of the larger navmans) scattered across his screen. What a prize pillock he is.
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Still not a patch on factory fit items, which can work accurately even without and valid gps signal
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but an improvement
Have a look at a price of any factory-fit sat-nav for a new car and compare it to the price of a new Tom-Tom, Garmin etc. They may be better, many are actually not, but in my eyes are just not worth it when mobile ones do so much for so little.
BTW, I had a special holder made that keeps mine at the level of climate controls.
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Still not a patch on factory fit items, which can work accurately even without and valid gps signal
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but an improvement
Have a look at a price of any factory-fit sat-nav for a new car and compare it to the price of a new Tom-Tom, Garmin etc. They may be better, many are actually not, but in my eyes are just not worth it when mobile ones do so much for so little.
BTW, I had a special holder made that keeps mine at the level of climate controls.
I'm actually a TomTom (imho the best of the portable ones) user. Even the old Carin one works better than a new TT unit. Not as many features admittedly, but its core function working well is the most important thing for me.
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Actually I have seen some comparison tests where Tom Tom didn't do too well
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There is no way that a £99 Tom Tom will work anywhere near as well as a dedicated In Car Sat nav that uses gyroscopes and speed sensors to determine vehicle positions, and then confirms this by checking the data with the gps location.
Tom Tom and similar can only ever work within the accuracy limit of the gps signal.
Not to say that Tom Tom`s do not have their place, they do, but they cannot be compared to a true in car system.
I don't think even Siemens car navigation systems are that good! My company vehicle uses inertial navigation as well as GPS and to integrate those in a car would cost significantly more than the £1000 tag on most in car GPS units. I think the benefit of an in car system is twofold: first the power up location is almost always the same as the power down loction so the system is less reliant on the almanac to determine the satelite location and its own position; second, the aerials are a whole lot better than the portable ones and are outside, not shielded by the car's structure (esp the reflectiev front screen which is a killer for GPS lock-on).
Sadly, for the money I think TT Navigator 6 on a PDA beats the NavTeq offering by a country mile for functionality and value for money.
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There is no way that a £99 Tom Tom will work anywhere near as well as a dedicated In Car Sat nav that uses gyroscopes and speed sensors to determine vehicle positions, and then confirms this by checking the data with the gps location.
Tom Tom and similar can only ever work within the accuracy limit of the gps signal.
Not to say that Tom Tom`s do not have their place, they do, but they cannot be compared to a true in car system.
I don't think even Siemens car navigation systems are that good! My company vehicle uses inertial navigation as well as GPS and to integrate those in a car would cost significantly more than the £1000 tag on most in car GPS units. I think the benefit of an in car system is twofold: first the power up location is almost always the same as the power down loction so the system is less reliant on the almanac to determine the satelite location and its own position; second, the aerials are a whole lot better than the portable ones and are outside, not shielded by the car's structure (esp the reflectiev front screen which is a killer for GPS lock-on).
Sadly, for the money I think TT Navigator 6 on a PDA beats the NavTeq offering by a country mile for functionality and value for money.
Even the older Carin works with the GPS disconnected (OK, it loses accuracy over time without the GPS) ;)
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I get really annoyed with the idiots using TomToms in the middle of the night without changing the screen to night colours, meaning they're driving along with a big glowing beacon in their line of sight.
I've been using a Tom Tom 910 for 3 years (it has up to date maps) and have no problem with it and just give the windscreen a quick wipe to remove any suction cup marks.
I don't like Nacteqs, my cousin has one.
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I get really annoyed with the idiots using TomToms in the middle of the night without changing the screen to night colours, meaning they're driving along with a big glowing beacon in their line of sight.
I've been using a Tom Tom 910 for 3 years (it has up to date maps) and have no problem with it and just give the windscreen a quick wipe to remove any suction cup marks.
I don't like Nacteqs, my cousin has one.
See, I think all windscreen mounted shite should be banned, as some people are just plain retarded and stick it right in the middle of their screens, and obviously that leads to visibility issues.
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I have to say that the NCDC with CID is a great bit of kit!
The graphics are not as fancy as the tomtom and it has fewer features but, it does work very well!
I like the interchange auto zoom feature to.
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I've got the pre-facelift satnav system in my car, but no disc so I've never used it. Are the discs expensive and where could I get one? I wouldn't mind having a play with it...
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I have to say that the NCDC with CID is a great bit of kit!
The graphics are not as fancy as the tomtom and it has fewer features but, it does work very well!
I like the interchange auto zoom feature to.
Unsure if I prefer GID or CID.
CID Advantages (for me)
Always a clock on the screen (GID shows no clock in Nav screens)
Nav shows distance to go (if not using Map display)
Intersection zoom
CID Disadvantages
Intersection zoom can sometimes be too slow to draw, esp with map view on (not a problem for GID as it doesn't have this function)
Quite bright at night, even with the dark colours
No 'alternative' colour scheme for night when in Map view (obviously not a problem for GID, as it doesn't have this function)
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I've got the pre-facelift satnav system in my car, but no disc so I've never used it. Are the discs expensive and where could I get one? I wouldn't mind having a play with it...
Navteq, around £70.
Carin can be a little sluggish with the latest disks.
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I have to say that the NCDC with CID is a great bit of kit!
The graphics are not as fancy as the tomtom and it has fewer features but, it does work very well!
I like the interchange auto zoom feature to.
Unsure if I prefer GID or CID.
CID Advantages (for me)
Always a clock on the screen (GID shows no clock in Nav screens)
Nav shows distance to go (if not using Map display)
Intersection zoom
CID Disadvantages
Intersection zoom can sometimes be too slow to draw, esp with map view on (not a problem for GID as it doesn't have this function)
Quite bright at night, even with the dark colours
No 'alternative' colour scheme for night when in Map view (obviously not a problem for GID, as it doesn't have this function)
That said, most of the disadvanatges on the CID can be disabled anyway, so thinking about it, I'd rather have the CID. But the GID isn't too bad at all, and I'd be perfectly happy with it (and am in the tractor until I get a CID part back from MDTM next time I see him)
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I've got the pre-facelift satnav system in my car, but no disc so I've never used it. Are the discs expensive and where could I get one? I wouldn't mind having a play with it...
Navteq, around £70.
Carin can be a little sluggish with the latest disks.
Thanks, think I'll stick with the TomTom though...
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I'm constantly tempted by the Kenwood DNX systems - double DIN head unit, usual CD/ DVD/ etc, but built it sat-nav - are they any good (ir different to TT) - or are they just TT-equivalent in a bigger box?