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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: feeutfo on 07 February 2009, 13:02:44

Title: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: feeutfo on 07 February 2009, 13:02:44
given that my head unit nav slot wont play writeable media, is there any point replaceing the lazer? or is the unit simply not capable, even with new tip top components?

from the price, it would be cheaper than, any genuine media, if you know what i mean  :-X  ::)

http://lasertrader.de/english/index.htm?frame=sg_opticallaserpickup_carhifi_Siemens.htm
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 February 2009, 14:00:20
Ah yes, a KSS-501J......does the slot play ordinary CD's?
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 February 2009, 14:02:28
Its a Panasonic part;

http://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/31164/cd-pick-up-panasonic/dp/AS00163
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: Dave DND on 07 February 2009, 14:07:00
Units of that age were never designed to play recordable media, its a completely different format.
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: feeutfo on 07 February 2009, 14:40:58
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Ah yes, a KSS-501J......does the slot play ordinary CD's?
Yes no problem, just been out to check as i realised ive never played a CD in the nav slot, i always used the changer. Only a hooky download which it spat out.
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: feeutfo on 07 February 2009, 14:55:45
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Units of that age were never designed to play recordable media, its a completely different format.
Hi Dave, that sounds like the death of what ever slim chance there may have been of getting tmc working, have heard the boy talk of it(the player) possibly working with Verbatum media burnt at times 1 speed. The disc i had and was spat out was burnt at times 4 and was the slowest the software would allow....
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: Dave DND on 07 February 2009, 15:43:16
Lasers used for navigation differ from those used for audio.

If you are planning to use recordable audio discs in an audio slot, then no, but if you are wanting to use a recordable Nav disc in the Nav slot, you may just get away with it.
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: feeutfo on 07 February 2009, 17:17:43
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Lasers used for navigation differ from those used for audio.

If you are planning to use recordable audio discs in an audio slot, then no, but if you are wanting to use a recordable Nav disc in the Nav slot, you may just get away with it.

Shhhhhh, ;) :-X ;D

Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 February 2009, 20:04:16
I have found Verbatim CDRs burnt at 1x have caused less problems when used on audio CDs in my CDC2s. Haven't had the CDC3s long enough to comment.
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: VXL V6 on 07 February 2009, 20:15:31
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I have found Verbatim CDRs burnt at 1x have caused less problems when used on audio CDs in my CDC2s. Haven't had the CDC3s long enough to comment.

Never had a problem with CDR's in a CDC2 in the 8 years I had them in Vectra's. CDC3's (and obviously all the HU's that have them bolted on) seem a little more fragile.
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: feeutfo on 07 February 2009, 20:21:44
whats cdc2/3? The changer ?
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 February 2009, 20:25:33
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whats cdc2/3? The changer ?
cdc3 is changer used in facelifts (and in external form as a seperate in some vectras, astras, zaffys etc).

cdc2 is teh 6 disc used in earlier omegas (and others)
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: VXL V6 on 07 February 2009, 20:27:19
Yep, The CDC3 is a standalone changer but on the NCDR2013/15, CCR2006 and CCRT2008 it's bolted to the original head unit - Basically all these units are based on the old single din headunits and the changer was just bolted on with a double din front fitted.

CDC2 was a bigger 6 disc unit (as found in the boot of Omegas with CCR600/800/ CCRT700) or the glovebox of Vectra B's with CCR600's)

If you ever find a CDC3 with 'TB' or the part number 91157147 written on it, let me know!

EDIT: TB beat me to it!!!
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 February 2009, 20:51:29
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Yep, The CDC3 is a standalone changer but on the NCDR2013/15, CCR2006 and CCRT2008 it's bolted to the original head unit - Basically all these units are based on the old single din headunits and the changer was just bolted on with a double din front fitted.

CDC2 was a bigger 6 disc unit (as found in the boot of Omegas with CCR600/800/ CCRT700) or the glovebox of Vectra B's with CCR600's)

If you ever find a CDC3 with 'TB' or the part number 91157147 written on it, let me know!

EDIT: TB beat me to it!!!
Why does it need to be a TB?
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: VXL V6 on 07 February 2009, 20:57:00
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Yep, The CDC3 is a standalone changer but on the NCDR2013/15, CCR2006 and CCRT2008 it's bolted to the original head unit - Basically all these units are based on the old single din headunits and the changer was just bolted on with a double din front fitted.

CDC2 was a bigger 6 disc unit (as found in the boot of Omegas with CCR600/800/ CCRT700) or the glovebox of Vectra B's with CCR600's)

If you ever find a CDC3 with 'TB' or the part number 91157147 written on it, let me know!

EDIT: TB beat me to it!!!
Why does it need to be a TB?

Looking to swap one of my spare 2013's for a 1500 so need a CDC3 that's compatible, I was lead to believe that the TB / 91157147 was the CAN version of the CDC3  :-/
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 February 2009, 20:59:27
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Yep, The CDC3 is a standalone changer but on the NCDR2013/15, CCR2006 and CCRT2008 it's bolted to the original head unit - Basically all these units are based on the old single din headunits and the changer was just bolted on with a double din front fitted.

CDC2 was a bigger 6 disc unit (as found in the boot of Omegas with CCR600/800/ CCRT700) or the glovebox of Vectra B's with CCR600's)

If you ever find a CDC3 with 'TB' or the part number 91157147 written on it, let me know!

EDIT: TB beat me to it!!!
Why does it need to be a TB?

Looking to swap one of my spare 2013's for a 1500 so need a CDC3 that's compatible, I was lead to believe that the TB / 91157147 was the CAN version of the CDC3  :-/
Firstly, why do you want a ncdr when you have a facelift  :-/

Secondly, about the TA and TB...  ....nah, I'll keep quiet, it will push the prices up  :-X
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: VXL V6 on 07 February 2009, 21:04:51
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Yep, The CDC3 is a standalone changer but on the NCDR2013/15, CCR2006 and CCRT2008 it's bolted to the original head unit - Basically all these units are based on the old single din headunits and the changer was just bolted on with a double din front fitted.

CDC2 was a bigger 6 disc unit (as found in the boot of Omegas with CCR600/800/ CCRT700) or the glovebox of Vectra B's with CCR600's)

If you ever find a CDC3 with 'TB' or the part number 91157147 written on it, let me know!

EDIT: TB beat me to it!!!
Why does it need to be a TB?

Looking to swap one of my spare 2013's for a 1500 so need a CDC3 that's compatible, I was lead to believe that the TB / 91157147 was the CAN version of the CDC3  :-/
Firstly, why do you want a ncdr when you have a facelift  :-/

Secondly, about the TA and TB...  ....nah, I'll keep quiet, it will push the prices up  :-X

Firstly, not for the facelift - already have the 2013 & CID in there, have a possible project involving an Astra, when or if I find one cheap enough.

Secondly,  ;)
Title: Re: ncd* nav laser replacement.
Post by: dpanic88 on 18 March 2009, 17:57:17
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Its a Panasonic part;

http://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/31164/cd-pick-up-panasonic/dp/AS00163

Update on this part from supplier 'Unfortunately the items you have ordered are no longer stocked. The order has been cancelled as there were no alternatives in our system'

Mine as bit the dust today,  :'(clean no good - will not read normal or Sat nav disks (unsure on history of unit if CDr's have been played - possible ). Any way - just ordered a replacement nav laser from germany (www.lasertrader.de - they still have limited stock :y ).

regards