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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: BigAl on 30 October 2008, 23:41:45
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Is it possible to retro-fit a pre-facelift(PFL) stalk with adjustable intermittent in-to a facelift(FL)?
Physically the only difference i can see is that the fly lead for the PFL has a 6-pin connector with 5 wired while the FL one has a 4-pin connector with 3 wired
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My Facelift has intermittant wipers :-?
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my collegues 06 Corsa C Van has intermittant wippers ;D
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I think Al is after the variable speed option on the intermitents
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Yes, My new mig is missing the variable intermittant option, but has the standard intermittant setting
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Yes it's possible, you have to arrange the variable resistor to be in series with the feed to the relay. If you have a wiring diagram you should be able to see the wire to interrupt.
I have, somewhere, some pictures of how I modified mine. I will try to find them tomorrow.
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Cheers Mike, Most appreciated
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erm a facelift cdx should have intermittant wipers!
unless...
Have you got rain sensors? that would cause you not to have variable...
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I don't think i have rain sensors, what do they look like?
I assume i either don't have them or they don't work as when on intermittant the speed does not change do matter how heavy the rainfall
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erm a facelift cdx should have intermittant wipers!
unless...
Have you got rain sensors? that would cause you not to have variable...
Mine hasn't, not variable anyway, and have been looking to carry out this mod for some time now ::)
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If you let me have an email address I can send you some pictures, my 03 CDX did not have variable delay or rain sensor, despite the salesman's words.
You will need a circuit diagram to identify the pin in the wiper main connector that needs to be removed, then the variable resistor is wired in series with it.
I have not yet changed the relay so have a slightly limited range of delay timing.
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PM sent
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Pm sent, also after help on this
Hope you have the time to reply, regards
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I added the variable wipers to my 02 mv6 as part of a Sat nav/Bose upgrade. All it needed was one of wires to the exisiting wiper stalk cutting and then re-connecting to extra pair of wires on the new variable stalk.
I'll see if I can find my notes on what needs connecting to what. Think is was one of the black/yellow cables.
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Cheers NickA, any help would be appreciated
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I have been looking at doing this for ages if you get any info can you let me know please please pretty please.....I've got the stalk and the relay but no idea what to do with the plug and extra wires. :-[
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Send me the pics you have and I wll look at doing a guide
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Took a photo of the wiring today. This is from a 2002 2.6 MV6.
The wiper stalk with the variable intermittent capability has an extra pair of wires that are coloured Black/Yellow and Black/White. (Red Arrows in the pic). Looking down into the switch in situ the top left connector has two wires connected to one socket, again both Black/Yellow and Black/White. Cut the Black and Yellow wire (the Blue Arrows) and connect the two ends to the two wires from the switch. That’s all there is to it.
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/nickargue/PB090199-2.jpg)
The picture is of a stalk that doesn't have the connector for the MID. If you've got one of these you'll have a 6 way connector with 3 MID and 2 Wiper wires.
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Cheers for that NickA!
any words of wisdom about swapping the connectors over?
Current stalk has this one:-
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/BigA11y/originalstalkflylead.jpg)
New stalk has this one:-
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/BigA11y/newstalkflylead.jpg)
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What's the colour of the wires?
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On the new stalk looking at the picture, from left to right
Brown with red stripe
Brown
Brown with white stripe
bottom row
Black with yellow
Spare
Black with white
I'll check the existing wires in the morning
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On the new stalk looking at the picture, from left to right
Brown with red stripe
Brown
Brown with white stripe
bottom row
Black with yellow
Spare
Black with white
I'll check the existing wires in the morning
OK, your exisiting Stalk has 3 connections for the MID display and you've now got one with 5 [1] which is for both the MID and the wiper bit.
Connect the Brown with red stripe , Brown, Brown with white stripe to your exisiting MID connector. You may find with a couple of picks you can remove the connectors from within the plastic socket and move them to the old socket. Otherwise it's a case of cutting them and solder them back up. The Black and Yellow and Black and White are for the variable wiper and connect up as my picture.
[1] ignoring the blank connectors
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On the new stalk looking at the picture, from left to right
Brown with red stripe
Brown
Brown with white stripe
bottom row
Black with yellow
Spare
Black with white
I'll check the existing wires in the morning
OK, your exisiting Stalk has 3 connections for the MID display and you've now got one with 5 [1] which is for both the MID and the wiper bit.
Connect the Brown with red stripe , Brown, Brown with white stripe to your exisiting MID connector. You may find with a couple of picks you can remove the connectors from within the plastic socket and move them to the old socket. Otherwise it's a case of cutting them and solder them back up. The Black and Yellow and Black and White are for the variable wiper and connect up as my picture.
[1] ignoring the blank connectors
May I suggest a dressmakers pin :y
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Right i have removed the plastic block of the new stalk, this was achieved by pressing the 2 small yellow tabs with a small screwdriver
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/BigA11y/stalk003.jpg)
which will allow the small sockets on each wire to slide out, once they have been freed
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/BigA11y/stalk005.jpg)
To release the sockets from the plastic holder follow NickA's advice highlighted by Welung666 and insert a pin of some sort down the hole towards the center of the plastic connector, this releases the tab locking the socket into the connector allowing you to push them out of the connector using a small screwdriver
(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq103/BigA11y/stalk007.jpg)
If it ever stops raining i will remove the existing stalk and continue the process
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You will need a circuit diagram to identify the pin in the wiper main connector that needs to be removed, then the variable resistor is wired in series with it.
I have not yet changed the relay so have a slightly limited range of delay timing.
I've just carried out this mod on my cdx, thanks to all for the pics.
Having changed the stalk, could somebody please clarify the details of the relay that's mentioned above and exactly what effect changing it would have on the intermittent timings?
Very many thanks.:y
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You will need a circuit diagram to identify the pin in the wiper main connector that needs to be removed, then the variable resistor is wired in series with it.
I have not yet changed the relay so have a slightly limited range of delay timing.
I've just carried out this mod on my cdx, thanks to all for the pics.
Having changed the stalk, could somebody please clarify the details of the relay that's mentioned above and exactly what effect changing it would have on the intermittent timings?
Very many thanks.:y
On a facelift I didn't think you had to change any relays. It's just the wiring mod that's needed
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Just done this to my "02" CD just as how to say's ................Also no relay change needed :y :y
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Got time to finally do this tomorrow on my '02 CD - is it essential to disconnect the battery for this job??
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Got time to finally do this tomorrow on my '02 CD - is it essential to disconnect the battery for this job??
I didn't but but at no time did i put the ignition on untill finished ;) ;)
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Got time to finally do this tomorrow on my '02 CD - is it essential to disconnect the battery for this job??
Cheers - I'll be doing it tomorrow now.... rained off today :(
I didn't but but at no time did i put the ignition on untill finished ;) ;)
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No laughing, but I finally got round to swapping the stalks, everything work as before, including the lack of variable setting.
No matter what I set the wheel to the interval is ~7 seconds :-[
Any ideas ?
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have you swapped the wires on the mid plug - you will have a blk/wht and a blk/yel wire left over. On the main plug to the stalk there is a terminal with a blk/wht and blk/yel wire. Cut these wires and join to wires from the mid connect in series. PM me your email and I'll send some photos. I did mine last week and after a bit of trial and error I have variable intermittent.
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PM sent
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pm replied to
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ps you might need to change the relay under the bonnet to one that responds to the delay time
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pm replied to
Many thanks for the mail :y
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have you swapped the wires on the mid plug - you will have a blk/wht and a blk/yel wire left over. On the main plug to the stalk there is a terminal with a blk/wht and blk/yel wire. Cut these wires and join to wires from the mid connect in series. PM me your email and I'll send some photos. I did mine last week and after a bit of trial and error I have variable intermittent.
Oops!, I have only cut one wire from the main plug and wired in the 2 from the stalk, will rectify on Saturday
Must pay more attention in future :-[
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if you cut one of the wires from the 2 going to the terminal on the switch block you then connect the blk/wht from the mid plug to one side and the blk/yel to the other - make sure you have the right relay under the bonnet and it should work. I can't beleive I've lived without this mod for six years - thank you OOF