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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: ferrari jason on 12 January 2010, 11:04:52
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Just found this on fleabay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMAZING-QUALITY-SAT-NAV-IN-CAR-DVD-PLAYER-UK-STOCK_W0QQitemZ180454044083QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Audio_TV_Electronics_In_Car_Entertainment_GPS_In_Car_Audio_Players_PP?hash=item2a03e631b3 anyone know if there any good or should i avoid buying my eyes are ruling my heart LOL
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Just found this on fleabay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMAZING-QUALITY-SAT-NAV-IN-CAR-DVD-PLAYER-UK-STOCK_W0QQitemZ180454044083QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Audio_TV_Electronics_In_Car_Entertainment_GPS_In_Car_Audio_Players_PP?hash=item2a03e631b3 anyone know if there any good or should i avoid buying my eyes are ruling my heart LOL
Avoid it like the plague and ask yourself one simple question.
Why don`t the quality branded manufacturers sell anything this cheap ?
If this is the extent of your budget, and cannot afford to spend near four figures on a quality product that will last, then look around for a second hand unit from a manufacturer that you have heard of.
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I was thinking that myself just needed an expert to convince me guess i wasd blinded by all the toys . I wasnt looking for one but thought id treat myself ill be on a mission now to find a good make
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Have a think about which toys you want, and scour fleabay and local papers - very few older models had bluetooth, but at least the nav was upgradeable (UNLIKE the asian stuff !!)
Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine, Clarion have all been making similar things for many years now, and some real bargains can still be found -
not easy though, as everybody is getting caught out by the same piece of junk you were looking at, and are also after the same bargains.
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If looking for Double DIN size, suggest to look towards a single DIN pop out screen with a seperate CDRom Nav that could be mounted underneath - it will open up your options of secondhand units considerably
:y
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Look up black beauty's Omega in the Gallery thread, she has some interesting ICE fitted in her Mig. Also V6drift and a couple of others are doing extensive refits.
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ive looked at black beautys thread many times ;D im defo gonna get something but dont want to go over the top on cost my mate just pointed out that some tuners will be going cheap as the analouge signal is now dead so ill have to look into it further
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its genuine, last years stock, can even go to there shop and they will show you just rang them up
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oh and it is navman softwear.
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its genuine, last years stock, can even go to there shop and they will show you just rang them up
Not questioning the legitimacy of the seller or that the unit is actually available
Its a crap unit, and not worth spending any more time with it.
And for the record, its only the analogue TV tuners that are dead, it will still be many years yet before the analogue radio is turned off - They do not yet appear to have found a format that they are happy with - even DAB2 is on the cards !!
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oh and it is navman softwear.
And that means that they will never spend money on software upgrades in a years time - a new unit will probably be required as has been the case for the last few years
>:(
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its genuine, last years stock, can even go to there shop and they will show you just rang them up
are you having a bad day?
Not quetioning the legitimacy of the seller or that the unit is actually available
Its a crap unit, and not worth spending any more time with it.
And for the record, its only the analogue TV tuners that are dead, it will still be many years yet before the analogue radio is turned off - They do not yet appear to have found a format that they are happy with - even DAB2 is on the cards !!
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dose not matter what any one buys 2-5years its out of date any way.
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are you having a bad day?
Not really, I just get so pissed off with so many calls each day about this chinese crap that people are selling -
When people realise that they break very quickly, or do not work the way they should, or that upgrades and spares are not and never will be available, its always us that people ring up and then vent their anger at, as a lot of money has been wasted.
People buy Omegas instead of Perodua Nippas as they want a quality car that will be bullet proof and last the test of time, and yet do not feel the need to spend anything more than 50p on a head unit of a brand that wil not be around in 3 months time.
You get what you pay for -
Sorry - rant over :-X
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dose not matter what any one buys 2-5years its out of date any way.
Not strictly true -
A good quality (branded) head unit will last for a long time, will have a good service and support network of dealers behind it, to ensure longevity, and Nav software will be from one of the two largest Nav houses, Teleatlas or Navtech meaning that future road map upgrades will be available.
A good head unit, like the car itself, is an expensive investment
Pick and choose carefully and wisely
:y
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year i know what you mean but there is allways somthing new and better just look at the new tec coming out this year, free sat for cars works bay sim card, wifi start, the list gose on, it will never stop. you know what i mean.
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year i know what you mean but there is allways somthing new and better just look at the new tec coming out this year, free sat for cars works bay sim card, wifi start, the list gose on, it will never stop. you know what i mean.
I know what you mean, but on the other hand, I am stumped as to where and how ICE can progress forwards.
In car PC`s have been around for many years, and I received my first email on a car stereo around 1999 - Japanese 3D nav is like watching a video game or film with some of the later images - voice recognition was introduced many years ago also - and I got a taste of wireless cd changers around ten years ago, just before the changer was viirtually made obsolete with iPods and mass storage capabilities.
I would love to know where it is all going next, but do feel a little worried that maybe it has peaked and we have already seen everything that is to offer in the current economic climate.
:'(
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year i know what you mean but there is allways somthing new and better just look at the new tec coming out this year, free sat for cars works bay sim card, wifi start, the list gose on, it will never stop. you know what i mean.
I know what you mean, but on the other hand, I am stumped as to where and how ICE can progress forwards.
In car PC`s have been around for many years, and I received my first email on a car stereo around 1999 - Japanese 3D nav is like watching a video game or film with some of the later images - voice recognition was introduced many years ago also - and I got a taste of wireless cd changers around ten years ago, just before the changer was viirtually made obsolete with iPods and mass storage capabilities.
I would love to know where it is all going next, but do feel a little worried that maybe it has peaked and we have already seen everything that is to offer in the current economic climate.
:'(
no its not peaked they are starting on2012 stuff now, smart start is one that seen for then and loads more by the time you buy somthing there is somthing else come out, just look at 3Dtv and dvd's.
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I would love to know where it is all going next, but do feel a little worried that maybe it has peaked and we have already seen everything that is to offer in the current economic climate.
A decent in-car music player solution that doesn't need a Gay-Pod or CDs would be a start. ;)
Kevin
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A decent in-car music player solution that doesn't need a Gay-Pod or CDs would be a start. ;)
Kevin
Erm . . like the USB hard drives that can be plugged into most of the later OEM stereo`s, or something like the Kenwood Music Keg introduced (and failed) a few years ago.
I think from a storage point of view, iPod is here to stay, Dension had a very good product, but the lack of a decent distribution network in the UK have meant that it has never really got off the ground.
no its not peaked they are starting on2012 stuff now, smart start is one that seen for then and loads more by the time you buy somthing there is somthing else come out, just look at 3Dtv and dvd's.
Not heard of Smart Start ? and 3D TV was around back in the fifties - nobody appears to have a budget for 2D these days, and I think 3D in car is exceptionally unlikely. But you are wrong on 2012 stuff being worked on now - it takes well in excess of 5 years to get a product from concept to shop, and from my involvement with Sony and Kenwood research depts, it will be a lot further into the future before any real new innovations come out - In fact, I`ll retract that, as Sony are about to announce their withdrawl from Car Audio
(About time says TB ) :P
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A decent in-car music player solution that doesn't need a Gay-Pod or CDs would be a start. ;)
Kevin
Erm . . like the USB hard drives that can be plugged into most of the later OEM stereo`s, or something like the Kenwood Music Keg introduced (and failed) a few years ago.
I would be interested if you have a recommendation for something aftermarket that will take a USB flash / hard drive containing a decent sized (few gigs or more) collection of MP3s, index them by ID3 tags and provide a reasonably friendly interface to select by author, album, genre etc. Pretty much what the Dension box did, in fact. I think it was a little before its' time.
I haven't played with anything recent with this functionality but the few I have tried baulk at disks with more than a few hundred files or offer very limited migration around the content on the disk.
I can't be bothered with IPod, Itunes, etc. when I ought to be able to just copy the files to a USB stick.
Kevin
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Easy one, probably one of the best head units currently on the market
http://www.clarion.com/gb/en/products/2009/navigation/navigation/MAX983HD/gb-en-product-pf_1172414882922.html
Only question I have is are your pockets deep enough ? - I reckon its worth every penny, and for those who are interested, I can offer some serious OOfers discount against the retail price of around £1500
;)
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A decent in-car music player solution that doesn't need a Gay-Pod or CDs would be a start. ;)
Kevin
Erm . . like the USB hard drives that can be plugged into most of the later OEM stereo`s, or something like the Kenwood Music Keg introduced (and failed) a few years ago.
I think from a storage point of view, iPod is here to stay, Dension had a very good product, but the lack of a decent distribution network in the UK have meant that it has never really got off the ground.
no its not peaked they are starting on2012 stuff now, smart start is one that seen for then and loads more by the time you buy somthing there is somthing else come out, just look at 3Dtv and dvd's.
Not heard of Smart Start ? and 3D TV was around back in the fifties - nobody appears to have a budget for 2D these days, and I think 3D in car is exceptionally unlikely. But you are wrong on 2012 stuff being worked on now - it takes well in excess of 5 years to get a product from concept to shop, and from my involvement with Sony and Kenwood research depts, it will be a lot further into the future before any real new innovations come out - In fact, I`ll retract that, as Sony are about to announce their withdrawl from Car Audio
(About time says TB ) :P
smart start is on new cars now any wifi eqipment ie moble phone can open the doors and start the enging using a pass word, and it take 5 years and testing until comes out. used to be a tester.
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A decent in-car music player solution that doesn't need a Gay-Pod or CDs would be a start. ;)
Kevin
Erm . . like the USB hard drives that can be plugged into most of the later OEM stereo`s, or something like the Kenwood Music Keg introduced (and failed) a few years ago.
I think from a storage point of view, iPod is here to stay, Dension had a very good product, but the lack of a decent distribution network in the UK have meant that it has never really got off the ground.
no its not peaked they are starting on2012 stuff now, smart start is one that seen for then and loads more by the time you buy somthing there is somthing else come out, just look at 3Dtv and dvd's.
Not heard of Smart Start ? and 3D TV was around back in the fifties - nobody appears to have a budget for 2D these days, and I think 3D in car is exceptionally unlikely. But you are wrong on 2012 stuff being worked on now - it takes well in excess of 5 years to get a product from concept to shop, and from my involvement with Sony and Kenwood research depts, it will be a lot further into the future before any real new innovations come out - In fact, I`ll retract that, as Sony are about to announce their withdrawl from Car Audio
(About time says TB ) :P
smart start is on new cars now any wifi eqipment ie moble phone can open the doors and start the enging using a pass word, and it take 5 years and testing until comes out. used to be a tester.
Ah - Understood
Never heard it called that before - was played around with by a few alarm companies a few years ago, but like many of the "remote start" ideas, they fall foul of UK Traffic laws that do stipulate something along the lines of, that it is not legal to have an engine running with a person not present
There were some very heavyweight law suits against some of the UK companies fitting these around 2001, and to my knowledge all ended in tears.
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A decent in-car music player solution that doesn't need a Gay-Pod or CDs would be a start. ;)
Kevin
Erm . . like the USB hard drives that can be plugged into most of the later OEM stereo`s, or something like the Kenwood Music Keg introduced (and failed) a few years ago.
I think from a storage point of view, iPod is here to stay, Dension had a very good product, but the lack of a decent distribution network in the UK have meant that it has never really got off the ground.
no its not peaked they are starting on2012 stuff now, smart start is one that seen for then and loads more by the time you buy somthing there is somthing else come out, just look at 3Dtv and dvd's.
Not heard of Smart Start ? and 3D TV was around back in the fifties - nobody appears to have a budget for 2D these days, and I think 3D in car is exceptionally unlikely. But you are wrong on 2012 stuff being worked on now - it takes well in excess of 5 years to get a product from concept to shop, and from my involvement with Sony and Kenwood research depts, it will be a lot further into the future before any real new innovations come out - In fact, I`ll retract that, as Sony are about to announce their withdrawl from Car Audio
(About time says TB ) :P
smart start is on new cars now any wifi eqipment ie moble phone can open the doors and start the enging using a pass word, and it take 5 years and testing until comes out. used to be a tester.
Ah - Understood
Never heard it called that before - was played around with by a few alarm companies a few years ago, but like many of the "remote start" ideas, they fall foul of UK Traffic laws that do stipulate something along the lines of, that it is not legal to have an engine running with a person not present
There were some very heavyweight law suits against some of the UK companies fitting these around 2001, and to my knowledge all ended in tears.
I know one car off hand that has it on it is lambourgini, 2010 has it in the brochure, and was on tec in usa, with more cars with it. and auto braking.
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Just had a chat with the lads here, and I think we have an idea what prompted the case.
It was something along the lines of a car that was parked in a pub car park, and whilst in the bar, the remote keyfob was pressed to show off the remote start, the car was in gear, shot across the car park into a main road and wiped out several occupants of an oncoming car.
Remote start is certainly legal in the US, and certainly not here in the UK.
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i think it will only be on sport cars hear that go into neutral automatically like the pedel pads cars.
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Just had a chat with the lads here, and I think we have an idea what prompted the case.
It was something along the lines of a car that was parked in a pub car park, and whilst in the bar, the remote keyfob was pressed to show off the remote start, the car was in gear, shot across the car park into a main road and wiped out several occupants of an oncoming car.
Remote start is certainly legal in the US, and certainly not here in the UK.
Seen people adding it to cars here, wonder what that will do to insurance and MOT :-/
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have seen somthing about that in the near future there will not be a clutch but will be manual gears if you know what i mean, like the one on top gear, call the car and it come's and picks you up. we soon have our own KIT.
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have seen somthing about that in the near future there will not be a clutch but will be manual gears if you know what i mean, like the one on top gear, call the car and it come's and picks you up. we soon have our own KIT.
Lol !
RustyM95 aka - Omega Knight "Rider"
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Seen people adding it to cars here, wonder what that will do to insurance
Not a lot I wouldn`t have thought . . .
Most of the Burberry brigade in their Chavaliers arn`t insured anyway
::)
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would be even better if it tuck the wife to the shop's I din't have to. lol ;D
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im with Dave these units are naff plus they make lots of noise interference wise and the RCA there signals are very dirty :-/
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im with Dave these units are naff plus they make lots of noise interference wise
No my friend . . . Thats The Omega that does that !!
Those of us who have Audi Avants don`t have the problem
8-)
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Easy one, probably one of the best head units currently on the market
http://www.clarion.com/gb/en/products/2009/navigation/navigation/MAX983HD/gb-en-product-pf_1172414882922.html
Only question I have is are your pockets deep enough ? - I reckon its worth every penny, and for those who are interested, I can offer some serious OOfers discount against the retail price of around £1500
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I don't doubt that it is worth every penny but it's unfortunately more than I'd be prepared to spend and the majority of its' functionality would probably go unused. :-/
On the other hand, the link did lead me to wonder what these are like: http://www.clarion.com/gb/en/products/2009/audio/source_unit/bluetooth_usb/FZ409E/gb-en-product-pf_1172414933830.html
It's all I need: an MP3 player and a radio. Claims to support playing from a USB drive. Support appears to be limited but useable IMHO. 8 levels of folders, 255 files per folder 512 total folders and 130560 files. :-/
Problem is, you don't realise the limitations of devices like this until you've lived with them / sworn at them for a month or two.
Kevin
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Easy one, probably one of the best head units currently on the market
http://www.clarion.com/gb/en/products/2009/navigation/navigation/MAX983HD/gb-en-product-pf_1172414882922.html
Only question I have is are your pockets deep enough ? - I reckon its worth every penny, and for those who are interested, I can offer some serious OOfers discount against the retail price of around £1500
;)
I don't doubt that it is worth every penny but it's unfortunately more than I'd be prepared to spend and the majority of its' functionality would probably go unused. :-/
On the other hand, the link did lead me to wonder what these are like: http://www.clarion.com/gb/en/products/2009/audio/source_unit/bluetooth_usb/FZ409E/gb-en-product-pf_1172414933830.html
It's all I need: an MP3 player and a radio. Claims to support playing from a USB drive. Support appears to be limited but useable IMHO. 8 levels of folders, 255 files per folder 512 total folders and 130560 files. :-/
Problem is, you don't realise the limitations of devices like this until you've lived with them / sworn at them for a month or two.
Kevin
Nice unit, but like anything with a USB connection, the control and navigation of USB audio from anything other than an iPod generally sucks. Using a memory stick or a generic USB device is not great on any model, and although I can appreciate the hesitancy, I really would advise to jump on the iPod bandwagon for this - 80GB 5th gen video iPod are excellent value at around £75 second hand. Apart from that, Clarion have done well with this unit, Radio, Touch screen, and USB socket - nothing else, no mechanisms or CD player - almost an empty box !
However, I thought that people would be hesitant at first of a unit with no CD, but that isn`t what`s stopped people from buying this unit - It requires a seperate Bluetooth interface for the phone, and rather than buying and fitting an extra box, virtually everybody has gone for the next model up, as it has the Bluetooth interface already built in - and people just love that one !!
http://www.dndservices.co.uk/fz709e.html
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I like the diskless idea...
we both have pioneer units, built in usb, bluetooth, talk to steering controls and mid, colour change to match car etc
didnt bother installing the rear usb cables at the time, but the one on hers doesnt like ejecting anymore (put a disk in to push the ejecting disk down and it works fine)
think Ill be converting that to USB stick only soon.
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Nice unit, but like anything with a USB connection, the control and navigation of USB audio from anything other than an iPod generally sucks. Using a memory stick or a generic USB device is not great on any model, and although I can appreciate the hesitancy, I really would advise to jump on the iPod bandwagon for this - 80GB 5th gen video iPod are excellent value at around £75 second hand. Apart from that, Clarion have done well with this unit, Radio, Touch screen, and USB socket - nothing else, no mechanisms or CD player - almost an empty box !
However, I thought that people would be hesitant at first of a unit with no CD, but that isn`t what`s stopped people from buying this unit - It requires a seperate Bluetooth interface for the phone, and rather than buying and fitting an extra box, virtually everybody has gone for the next model up, as it has the Bluetooth interface already built in - and people just love that one !!
http://www.dndservices.co.uk/fz709e.html
Interesting. Hadn't appreciated that bluetooth was external.
Every CD I buy gets ripped straight away and most of my home listening is from a server full of FLACs so CD mechanism only required when you want to listen to it on the way home from the record shop. Not very often.
I will certainly give that some thought.
Kevin