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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Dany on 21 January 2010, 21:24:33
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Hello all!
If I replace the original GPS with another one, I loose automatically the CID with the board computer? I'm interested for installing a Pioneer AVIC in my car instead my bad NCDC 2013, but I will preserve my board computer (error messages, consumption informations,...).
On my previous facelift 2001, the bord computer commands were on the wiper switch, but now it's the "BC" switch on the GPS!
How can I do?
Thank you all for your help.
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I believe that if you replace the stereo you'll lose the on board computer functionality...
Although you may be able to do some clever engineering with an older system :-/ :-/
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If you remove the NCDC, you lose the entire functionality of the display (as you cannot control it).
You can fit a MID in its place, run in a couple of wires, and fit a stalk with the S and R buttons on.
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BTW, whats wrong with the ncdc2013?
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If you remove the NCDC, you lose the entire functionality of the display (as you cannot control it).
You can fit a MID in its place, run in a couple of wires, and fit a stalk with the S and R buttons on.
I had a Pioneer AVIC-HD3II on my previous 2001 Omega. That was totally something else! Lots of POI, 3D mapping, compatible with steering wheel controls, touch screen, 30GB hard drive for music, and more ... I miss him!
I think the NCDC2013 is not at all clear or practical to encode adresses, and the maps are not enough detailed.
On which wires can I connect the S and R buttons? Why can I not use them with my CID? (It would be nicer...)
I have a Bose sound system on the car, it will not be a problem?
What I would like is to reinstall a Pioneer, but could still use my CID with S and R buttons on a wipers switch. So, the same installation as my previous Omega, but with a CID and a Bose sound system ^^.
Any ideas? Thank you all again!
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I don't know how he did that, but that's exactly what I want do, without head unit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrZCb7JujMo&feature=related
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If you remove the NCDC, you lose the entire functionality of the display (as you cannot control it).
You can fit a MID in its place, run in a couple of wires, and fit a stalk with the S and R buttons on.
I had a Pioneer AVIC-HD3II on my previous 2001 Omega. That was totally something else! Lots of POI, 3D mapping, compatible with steering wheel controls, touch screen, 30GB hard drive for music, and more ... I miss him!
I think the NCDC2013 is not at all clear or practical to encode adresses, and the maps are not enough detailed.
On which wires can I connect the S and R buttons? Why can I not use them with my CID? (It would be nicer...)
I have a Bose sound system on the car, it will not be a problem?
What I would like is to reinstall a Pioneer, but could still use my CID with S and R buttons on a wipers switch. So, the same installation as my previous Omega, but with a CID and a Bose sound system ^^.
Any ideas? Thank you all again!
as said, you need to use a mid, and lose the cid. You'll need to lose the bose, and replace all speakers as well.
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It's not possible! There is no other solutions???
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It's not possible! There is no other solutions???
As TB said, you will need to lose the entire BOSE system. The Pioneer head unit is not compatable with teh amp as it will overdrive/blow it and will give very little control over the volume, and the BOSE speakers that are fitted are 2 Ohms resistance, which is certainly not comatable with the more conventional 4 Ohms as used in most cars. If you connect the Pioneer to a 2 Ohm speaker it will see this as ashort circuit and the head unit will fail very quickly.
I cannot comment about the display, but if TB says that you need to use a MID instead of the CID, then thats exactly what you need to do.
However, worth the effort, as the AVIC is a very nice system.
;)
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HI and thank you for your help!
So how did he do on his Vectra in the video on youtube? It's a CID, but "without head unit"... Because even a MID, I have no cable that comes at the steering wheel.
And for the Bose system, a shop told me that there are adapters?
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Because the CID implementation in later cars (Vectra C etc) uses a multiple CAN implementation whereas the Omega version only has CAN between head unit and screen and as the control is via the head unit on the NCDC/R equipped cars if you remove the head unit you will not have the control interface.
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HI and thank you for your help!
So how did he do on his Vectra in the video on youtube? It's a CID, but "without head unit"... Because even a MID, I have no cable that comes at the steering wheel.
And for the Bose system, a shop told me that there are adapters?
Thats a different CID to Omega one
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And for the Bose system, a shop told me that there are adapters?
Audi and Porsche BOSE - Yes
Vauxhall BOSE - No
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Because the CID implementation in later cars (Vectra C etc) uses a multiple CAN implementation whereas the Omega version only has CAN between head unit and screen and as the control is via the head unit on the NCDC/R equipped cars if you remove the head unit you will not have the control interface.
So the NCDC IS the control interface? Or there is another electronic box that control the screen and that the head unit "activate"? That's what I thought... I think that the board computer is elsewhere than in the head unit... No? Anyway the only thing I need is the board computer. What I want to do is for example like the Zafira, when one turns off the head unit, the screen always displays the instantaneous consumption.
And for the Bose system, a shop told me that there are adapters?
Audi and Porsche BOSE - Yes
Vauxhall BOSE - No
Now I'm really in shit! :D
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So the NCDC IS the control interface?
Correct :y
I think that the board computer is elsewhere than in the head unit... No?
No :'(
What I want to do is for example like the Zafira, when one turns off the head unit, the screen always displays the instantaneous consumption
Don`t confuse the later Zafira technology with the earlier stuff from the Omega - Not Possible.
:'(
Now I'm really in shit!
And that is why I don`t have an Omega ;D
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Thank you for your answers Dave!
So I must to choose between a rubbish NCDC but with my active CID and a beautiful Pioneer AVIC-HD3II but without the CID and all of his functions... I don't know!!! :'(
I miss my previous dashboard...
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7329/img9262k.th.jpg) (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img9262k.jpg/)
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Thank you for your answers Dave!
So I must to choose between a rubbish NCDC but with my active CID and a beautiful Pioneer AVIC-HD3II but without the CID and all of his functions... I don't know!!! :'(
I miss my previous dashboard...
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7329/img9262k.th.jpg) (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img9262k.jpg/)
Pioneer AVIC HD3, nice bit of kit :y
Do you have any other photo's of the install? Thinking of fitting the same to my DTi
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I have only two older pics, that is before I install my glossy wood, my grey electric leather heated seats, grey plastics and carpet
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9845/img8761l.th.jpg) (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/img8761l.jpg/)
And that is before my beep&park keeper from valeo ^^
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5135/img8784q.th.jpg) (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/img8784q.jpg/)
It's still nicer than my old inside with my old Nokia Bluetooth Carkit...!
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3308/03022008016.th.jpg) (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/03022008016.jpg/)
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So I must to choose between a rubbish NCDC but with my active CID and a beautiful Pioneer AVIC-HD3II but without the CID and all of his functions... I don't know!!!
Go for the AVIC, but remember to get your CID Tech2`d into delivery mode first before removing it, and then you can sell it to pay for the install.
A working depaired CID can fetch enough money at the moment to make your descision a no brainer !!
::)
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Is the 2013 from a vectra c the same unit and will it pair to the omega display then or is the CAN different between veccys and miggys.?
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So I must to choose between a rubbish NCDC but with my active CID and a beautiful Pioneer AVIC-HD3II but without the CID and all of his functions... I don't know!!!
Go for the AVIC, but remember to get your CID Tech2`d into delivery mode first before removing it, and then you can sell it to pay for the install.
A working depaired CID can fetch enough money at the moment to make your descision a no brainer !!
::)
I think I'll keep the CID in the car, I removed the radio today to see what it does on screen, and they are Opel and Bose logo, with the date, time and the outside temperature... I lose my display of consumption but it's better than nothing! But I'll still think about that... I have also bought an update for the NCDC, I'll see if it's work better.
Is the 2013 from a vectra c the same unit and will it pair to the omega display then or is the CAN different between veccys and miggys.?
I know absolutely nothing! I hoped to make like the guy in the video... :-[