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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: joff on 28 February 2011, 17:01:20
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TB was kind enough to Tech2 my 2013 yesterday and said that the unit was not talking to the aerial connectin for the sat nav. I have had it all apart today and everything is conneted OK. Now I have put it all back together it spits the satnav disc out when I start the car and still wont pick up. I have had a look at the aerial connectin and only one of the 3 connections that are there is connected but there is only one connection from the aerial anyway is this normal.
Any Ideas anyone >:(
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Thought that the aerial stubby had 2 co-ax cables on the base :-?
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Its not a stubby on the estate I have and my ald 3.0 elite estate had a normal one aswell but I can't remember how many connections it had.
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I have the NCDC2013 as well and my aerial has a larger base than my mates Elite had and I think that is where the GPS receiver sits.
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Yep, there should be at least two coaxial connectors from the aerial - on mine there are three (I suspect on all of them, in fact):
One fat push-fit connector = radio
One small screw-fit connector = GPS
Other small screw fit connector = telephone (unused on my car, but still connected to the car loom)
I can't remember which of the two small connectors is the GPS and which is the telephone.. I think the female connector (aerial side) is the GPS and male the telephone.
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Looks like I have the wrong base then, but why would it have been taken off :-/ :-/
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As said in the other thread, will take a pic of a spare I have in the garage in a bit and post it on here.... :y
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Thanks for that hotel :y21
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does your tailgate have a Prodrive spoiler?
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Pics as requested...
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/OOF/IMG_0065.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/OOF/IMG_0067.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/OOF/IMG_0066.jpg)
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Now i'm even more confused :-/ mine has 3 connectors but two look bigger than that only one off them look the correct size. is there another plug that fits that ie male and female. :(
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I have a 2001 Elite with inbuilt satnav as well as inbuilt phone. possible that it may be different without the telematics. Will check The Big Book for part numbers and get back to you....
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Looks like three seperate parts. If you have seperate cables, yours is the first one.
24447305 17 88 922 BASE, ROOF AERIAL (IDENT MX) (DUAL BAND GSM900 / 1800) (FOR ADDITIONAL RADIO AND TELEPHONE PARTS) (USED WITH ONSTAR WITHOUT EMERGENCY CALLOUT) (FOR ADDITIONAL ONSTAR OR NAVIGATION SYSTEM PARTS) ESTATE 21, 22, 23, F35, M35, P35 (C) 11122000- 11999999 1
24447123 17 84 800 BASE, ROOF AERIAL (IDENT PM) (DUAL BAND GSM900 / 1800) (FOR VDA TELEPHONE PRE-WIRING) (FOR ADDITIONAL RADIO AND TELEPHONE PARTS) (EXCEPT ADDITIONAL ONSTAR OR NAVIGATION SYSTEM PARTS) (NOT USED WITH ONSTAR WITHOUT EMERGENCY CALLOUT) ESTATE 21, 22, 23, F35, M35, P35 (C) 21000001- 1
24447145 17 84 802 BASE, ROOF AERIAL (IDENT PU) (DUAL BAND GSM900 / 1800) (FOR ADDITIONAL RADIO AND TELEPHONE PARTS) (USED WITH ONSTAR WITHOUT EMERGENCY CALLOUT) (FOR ADDITIONAL ONSTAR OR NAVIGATION SYSTEM PARTS) ESTATE 21, 22, 23, F35, M35, P35 (C) 21000001- 1
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Hold on, my last was for phone in all three, not just satnav...
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It's the car loom that has 3 connectors. the base on mine at the moment only has one for the radio. :-?
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When I asked at the dealer the other day he said something about prefix pu I think :-/
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When I asked at the dealer the other day he said something about prefix pu I think :-/
Ident PU is the one I posted pics of....
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Ident MX (the first one I posted on the dealer listing) has 4 seperate connectors on its base. Will have a rake for one with just 3....
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Looks like one, two or four connectors, none show three.
I'm not clever enough to post links showing the pics on the screens I'm viewing, perhaps someone more cleverer could assist... :-[
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mine has 3 connectors and a red wire i think. I did try to send you an e-mail with the pics but just got some error message and it did not send, can't for the life of me get pics up on here.
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Ident MX (the first one I posted on the dealer listing) has 4 seperate connectors on its base. Will have a rake for one with just 3....
Actually I think mine has four separate connectors (completely different to yours) - three signal and one power IIRC. If I get chance at the weekend I'll pop the roof lining down and take a picture.
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Looks like one, two or four connectors, none show three.
I'm not clever enough to post links showing the pics on the screens I'm viewing, perhaps someone more cleverer could assist... :-[
Have you tried:
1. Get image on screen
2. Press 'PrtScreen' key (to copy screen to clipboard)
3. Open your favourite image/photo editing programme (eg photoshop, my preference is Gimp (http://www.gimp.org/windows/))
4. Paste the image in the image editor
HTH
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Joff I think perhaps I can answer your problem been there myself it possibly ties in if you have a tailgate spoiler fitted
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I do indeed have a tailgate spoiler fited, I have also lost the plot its not 3 connectors it's 4 as one is still connected to the aeriel :-[ :-[
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(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv110/joshwyatt/sat-navncdc2013002.jpg)
(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv110/joshwyatt/sat-navncdc2013001.jpg)
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Thanks for putting my pics up josh, that's what they call team work. :y
It is only 3 connectors as i counted the radio one twice
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When you fit the correct aeriel you will need a Prodrive mod (they are the maker of your spoiler) This mod fits between the aerial base and the mast. It is a small ball and allows the mast to be positioned to avoid contact when the tailgate is opened.If you want to get one I can seek out the contact phone and Prodrive's part No
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I may be able to help you here. hang on, got to check my box of spares....
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Sorry before you ask can't do pics have all the tackle tried many times just can't get my 75 Yr old brain round it :'( :y.
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Looks like your in luck VXL V6 may have one :y
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Right, the base I have here is for an Astra, unfortunately the Nav GPS connector is different and the angle of the Dipole is going to be wrong for an Omega estate (although the Prodrive adaptor would correct it).
You could concievably cut the connector off this one and crimp the correct one on but that will be a bit of a trial to obtain the correct plug (been there got the T-Shirt).
The amplified section of your base appears to have had the +12v feed wire cut off in your picture. If the radio reception is OK I think i'd just leave what you have there and add a seperate GPS mouse directly into the unit. This is one has the correct connector on it for direct connection:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230526593445&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
You could then just tuck the mouse up under the dash as long as you don't have a heat reflective windscreen.
Hope that helps
PS. H21 I might be able to make use of that antenna and base if you still wish to sell it?
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This elite does indeed have a reflective windscreen so that idea is out and would like the correct parts for the car. Three must be one out there :-? :-/
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....H21 I might be able to make use of that antenna and base if you still wish to sell it?
nope.... ;)
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So if I had to and i don't want to, how much would a new base for the elite cost, anyone have an idea :o :o
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Silly money from VX, I think £80ish rings a bell. Hence why for any more retrofitting of NCDC/R's I do in for anyone won't be using genuine GM antenna's - Plenty of other options out there.
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....H21 I might be able to make use of that antenna and base if you still wish to sell it?
nope.... ;)
No problem.
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Silly money from VX, I think £80ish rings a bell. Hence why for any more retrofitting of NCDC/R's I do in for anyone won't be using genuine GM antenna's - Plenty of other options out there.
I asked Andyc a while ago - the one I needed for my car (and the one the OP needs) is no longer available from GM, but was available as obsolete stock from Europe at £160+ at the time.
Which is a bit eye watering! Might as well just buy a TomTom for that price, sadly.
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Silly money from VX, I think £80ish rings a bell. Hence why for any more retrofitting of NCDC/R's I do in for anyone won't be using genuine GM antenna's - Plenty of other options out there.
I asked Andyc a while ago - the one I needed for my car (and the one the OP needs) is no longer available from GM, but was available as obsolete stock from Europe at £160+ at the time.
Which is a bit eye watering! Might as well just buy a TomTom for that price, sadly.
I've been looking at other options on other car models but you hit the same 'daft price' snag each time. Hirschmann do some well specced units that meet the requirements but you need to buy them through evil bay to get the price reasonable.
I've bought some cheap 'twig' style GSM/GPS (Elite saloon style) units from China that i'm testing at the moment, seem OK. It's far simpler to route the loom tails direct to the HU and terminate with the correct connectors rather than try an crimp connectors on at the antenna end to connect to the inbuilt GM loom.
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I would think with all the Migs going to the wall there would be one out there with the part I need. I know it's mad but i like to have the correct part, that's the one fitted at the start of the life of the mig. It's having a car as it sould be (call me mad but that's just me) :y
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I would think with all the Migs going to the wall there would be one out there with the part I need. I know it's mad but i like to have the correct part, that's the one fitted at the start of the life of the mig. It's having a car as it sould be (call me mad but that's just me) :y
Trouble is, not many had the Nav fitted (even fewer had the telematics!)
....and when I do find one the gasket is always falling apart and i've yet to find a supplier for just the gasket.
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would the bee sting fit on an estate if I found one with the correct connections :-? :-?
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Do you mean the twig from a saloon? If so you'll find that the connections are the same as those on the H21's aerial photo less a radio aerial (Built into the screen on a saloon).
A good quality option would be this:-
http://www.panorama.co.uk/datasheets/kf-de-bc-GPS.pdf
Looks like the angle of the dipole wouldn't present a problem with the boot spoiler.
PS. Your old CD estate (Mrs VXL V6's car now) has an Astra GPS/GSM/RADIO base on it to run the NCDC2013 and that doesn't foul the Elite boot spoiler (also now fitted to the tailgate!)
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OK how would i get one and how much we talking :-?
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Just been googling it and it's nearly as expensive as the genuine GM ones! :-[
Sometimes they pop up on ebay (new) at a decent price.
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Will keep an eye out for both. Thanks. :y :y
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PS. Your old CD estate (Mrs VXL V6's car now) has an Astra GPS/GSM/RADIO base on it to run the NCDC2013 and that doesn't foul the Elite boot spoiler (also now fitted to the tailgate!)
Interestingly, my aerial does hit the boot spoiler.. I presume that means the aerial isn't original (probably replaced by the previous owner trying to fix the lack of GPS reception on the NCDC2013)
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No it's the correct aerial they all hit the spoiler well they have with the mig's i've had. but there is an adapter you can get from proline that fits between the base and the aerial that puts the aerial at 90 deg to the roofand all is then fine.
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Just got back from the stealers with my new coil pack for the 3.2 elite (£101.83 inc VAT with trade card). I had asked about the base now I know which one is correct thanks to you all :y and the price is and this is when you all sit down £279.02 inc VAT (part No 9146035) but he will take 15% off that for me as it's not on trade card which will take it down to £237.16 and is back order and in stock in Germany.
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No radio signal at all at the moment, must drop the wires down again in the morning and tape them and remember not to be a T*@T next time. :-[
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If it hasn't got the red and white switched +12v connected then the aerial amp will not be functioning. It's more about overcoming the inherent loses in the downlead which has three joins in it.