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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: feeutfo on 27 April 2011, 22:36:48
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My car came with 2013 and CID, so also has a blutooth car kit plug under the glove box.
But, I've fitted a 2015 now paired to CID as a 2013 , as it's waiting a loom to connect the Telematics to make it a proper 2015.
No problem all standard stuff, except there is no loom in the car for Telematics as it was never built with phone option at the factory. A loom must be made to complete the project.
So given the above, I thought the opportunity should be taken to site the Telematics elsewhere, ie NOT in the glove box so I can have the use of it. And possibly fit an ac glove box is the ultimate aim, if poss.
Question is where to fit Telematics exactly....? Possibles include...
First aid cupboard
Bose shelf
CarIn position pas side of boot. .... Likely interference over the length of the loom with those 3 apparently....? :-/
Or leave it in the Glove box :-X seems a waist of an opportunity to me, but if it avoids interference... Will it fit behind the Glove box? Iirc there is some room, provided the scuttle drain doesn't block it should be ok there, if there's room.
Needs are...
I really want a glove box of some sort.
Intend fitting a Harmen uphill Garden iPod emulator.
Intend fitting traffic master
Must work with 2015 head unit set as a 2015 with phone as any re sale will look daft.
So, where to site telematics unit.....? (other than in the glovebox?). :y
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What dimensions is the unit
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What dimensions is the unit
Same size as a single din head unit by the looks. Not measured it but if it's any bigger I would be surprised....?
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Doubt if you`ll have room behind the glovebox
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Doubt if you`ll have room behind the glovebox
Drivers side, above pedals maybe?
Will have to measure up. :-/
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Doubt if you`ll have room behind the glovebox
Drivers side, above pedals maybe?
Will have to measure up. :-/
No room there either
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Is there enough clearance under passenger seat to floor mount with velcro or similar :-/
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You got the dimensions needed for the telematics box? If not, will measure in the morning and post up....
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Stop being a bender and fit it in the glove box! ;D
I would... But then, it's not my car ::) :D
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You got the dimensions needed for the telematics box? If not, will measure in the morning and post up....
Yep, thanks H, it's only loosely seated in the glove box ATM. I'll slide it out and see where it, er, fits. ;D
Re under seat I wonder if the Elites motors may scupper that one. :'(
We'll see.
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Do you have already made the loom Chris? I want to install it on my car but there is no loom too... I wonder to fix it in the boot, under the Bose shelf may be?
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Thanks for breaking this conversation out from our PM Q&A's! Far better with a wider audience input!
The Telematics is a standard single din size unit.
On the Vectra C the facia was redesigned and it was fitted in place of a shelf / cup holders in the centre console. Unfortunately there isn't enough depth to place it where the ashtray currently is on an Omega.
The other obvious place would be under the front passenger seat, however some consideration needs to be given to the possible postitions this seat could be in and where the rear passengers feet would be.
Bose shelf would probably be my next option but if you are LPGing the vehicle and plan to take the tray out and relocate the Bose amp then that idea fails.
I'm not sure how much space is available where the park pilot resides? This would also need consideration to how accessable the unit needs to be.
Anyway, the loom construction has started tonight but can't be completed until the location is confirmed. :y
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Guess it depends on LPG tank options, and if you ever need to carry bits of 2x2 or curtain rails. An 80l cylinder will require Bose shelf to be binned, should you need to carry long objects back from NoMoreDIY.
If the shelf is staying - then thats an obvious place, but you'll need to have some decent screening on the cable.
IF the shelf is going, then an old CARiN mount with some minor mods would be an idea. I don't think the first aid cubby hole is an option, as you can't mount to the flap.
BUT if I were doing it, it would be in the glovebox. Lets face it, facelifts have loads of spaces for storing glovebox junk....
The other consideration is if you are fitting a bluetooth phone kit for your gayPhone... ...as levels can be an issue.
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By the sound of it, if it can't fit in the dash area, next favourite would be pas side of boot. Either Carin holder or screwed to park pilot upright? With spare removed there's access and acres of space there iirc.
But I'll need to check before messing people about. :-[
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Anyone got a picture of the Carin bracket in the correct location?
Will have a nose at the parkpilot location tomorrow.
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Anyone got a picture of the Carin bracket in the correct location?
Will have a nose at the parkpilot location tomorrow.
No, but you can see where it fits above NSR shock - it uses to holes at back (covered with plastic caps holding carpet in place...
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Anyone got a picture of the Carin bracket in the correct location?
Will have a nose at the parkpilot location tomorrow.
No, but you can see where it fits above NSR shock - it uses to holes at back (covered with plastic caps holding carpet in place...
Sounds a promising location.....
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More questions!
1) Do you have / will you have a phone kit installed as well?
2) If not do you want to retain the option of having one?
3) TB - If CG says yes to either above can you obtain another of your impedance matching circuits?
4) What's this HK Ipod adapter thingy wotsit? Is it a modulator - any install diagrams available?
5) Anyone got some old prefacelift CD changer looms so I rob the shielded cable off them? ::) ;D
Cheers
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More questions!
1) Do you have / will you have a phone kit installed as well?
2) If not do you want to retain the option of having one?
3) TB - If CG says yes to either above can you obtain another of your impedance matching circuits?
4) What's this HK Ipod adapter thingy wotsit? Is it a modulator - any install diagrams available?
5) Anyone got some old prefacelift CD changer looms so I rob the shielded cable off them? ::) ;D
Cheers
3) I'll see if my best mate Rik kept the artwork for the PCB, if so, its an easy build.
4) I think that just plugs in the aerial (its a wired FM Modulator)
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More questions!
1) Do you have / will you have a phone kit installed as well?
2) If not do you want to retain the option of having one?
3) TB - If CG says yes to either above can you obtain another of your impedance matching circuits?
4) What's this HK Ipod adapter thingy wotsit? Is it a modulator - any install diagrams available?
5) Anyone got some old prefacelift CD changer looms so I rob the shielded cable off them? ::) ;D
Cheers
3) I'll see if my best mate Rik kept the artwork for the PCB, if so, its an easy build.
4) I think that just plugs in the aerial (its a wired FM Modulator)
IIRC that is correct... I helped fit one a couple of years ago
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More questions!
1) Do you have / will you have a phone kit installed as well?
2) If not do you want to retain the option of having one?
3) TB - If CG says yes to either above can you obtain another of your impedance matching circuits?
4) What's this HK Ipod adapter thingy wotsit? Is it a modulator - any install diagrams available?
5) Anyone got some old prefacelift CD changer looms so I rob the shielded cable off them? ::) ;D
Cheers
3) I'll see if my best mate Rik kept the artwork for the PCB, if so, its an easy build.
4) I think that just plugs in the aerial (its a wired FM Modulator)
IIRC that is correct... I helped fit one a couple of years ago
That said, it will need power, and a 'radio on' signal, so the custom telematics loom could be an ideal place to pick it up...
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More questions!
1) Do you have / will you have a phone kit installed as well?
2) If not do you want to retain the option of having one?
3) TB - If CG says yes to either above can you obtain another of your impedance matching circuits?
4) What's this HK Ipod adapter thingy wotsit? Is it a modulator - any install diagrams available?
5) Anyone got some old prefacelift CD changer looms so I rob the shielded cable off them? ::) ;D
Cheers
3) I'll see if my best mate Rik kept the artwork for the PCB, if so, its an easy build.
4) I think that just plugs in the aerial (its a wired FM Modulator)
IIRC that is correct... I helped fit one a couple of years ago
That said, it will need power, and a 'radio on' signal, so the custom telematics loom could be an ideal place to pick it up...
Yes... ISTR that I took the power connections from the H/F Kit Pre-wiring :-/ It was at the first EA meet on Humbucker's car
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More questions!
1) Do you have / will you have a phone kit installed as well?
2) If not do you want to retain the option of having one?
3) TB - If CG says yes to either above can you obtain another of your impedance matching circuits?
4) What's this HK Ipod adapter thingy wotsit? Is it a modulator - any install diagrams available?
5) Anyone got some old prefacelift CD changer looms so I rob the shielded cable off them? ::) ;D
Cheers
1) not currently. Plug is there though.
2) if possiible then yes please. (didnt think that was possible) iphone4 though, so may not be worth the bother?
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4) needs a live feed, and can be either modulator over fm broad cast, or plugged directly into fm headunit input, afaik. Not sure exct model, but like this one. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Harman-kardon-Drive-vehicle-built/dp/B000DZ834W
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Iphone over bluetooth works fine, its just the god awful voice dialling. Try it just on the phone, and see how bad it is ;D
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Iphone over bluetooth works fine, its just the god awful voice dialling. Try it just on the phone, and see how bad it is ;D
Oh break me i'll never use that, its 'dangle berries' on any phone. Normal dialing yes, voice dialing not a hope.
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Iphone over bluetooth works fine, its just the god awful voice dialling. Try it just on the phone, and see how bad it is ;D
Oh break me i'll never use that, its 'dangle berries' on any phone. Normal dialing yes, voice dialing not a hope.
Even the N95 made a better job of voice dialling ;D. Apple's attempt is truely abysmal!
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
HK Hookup not a problem.
TB, any chance of getting a small number of these circuits made up?
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the best one? :-/
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the nest one? :-/
for a bird ::)
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the nest one? :-/
for a bird ::)
'dangle berries', thought I'd got away with that.
Your too quick MrG. Surely everyone knows by now I need at least one edit per post. :-? ;D
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No problem will utilise the prewiring.
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the nest one? :-/
for a bird ::)
'dangle berries', thought I'd got away with that.
Your too quick MrG. Surely everyone knows by now I need at least one edit per post. :-? ;D
Only one :o ;D
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the nest one? :-/
for a bird ::)
'dangle berries', thought I'd got away with that.
Your too quick MrG. Surely everyone knows by now I need at least one edit per post. :-? ;D
You could do with a few more edits on most posts too! ::) ::) ::) ::)
and RobG agrees! ;D ;D ;D
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I blame Jobs personally ::)
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the best one? :-/
I use one of them in each of my 3 cars. Works as well as anything, tidy install as only a single, simple button, and best of all, dirt cheap 2nd hand ;D
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the best one? :-/
I use one of them in each of my 3 cars. Works as well as anything, tidy install as only a single, simple button, and best of all, dirt cheap 2nd hand ;D
Sounds good, let's do that then. If that's ok with Andy? :y
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the best one? :-/
I use one of them in each of my 3 cars. Works as well as anything, tidy install as only a single, simple button, and best of all, dirt cheap 2nd hand ;D
Sounds good, let's do that then. If that's ok with Andy? :y
OK, No problem, telemute / 06-109B now modified with correct plug for CK-7W and +12V, +12V switched and 0V tails added after fuses to run HK device.
TB, do you use the 'matching transformers' on your carkit's connected to Bose? I know your supposed to and all my cars use them but I only have some 'plain telemute leads here.
Also considering where to add impedance matching circuit in the loom, presently favouring fitting at telematics (boot) end which will need switched 12V feed ::).
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Which bluetooth kit? If Nokia CK7W I have a few here.... ;)
seems the best one? :-/
I use one of them in each of my 3 cars. Works as well as anything, tidy install as only a single, simple button, and best of all, dirt cheap 2nd hand ;D
Sounds good, let's do that then. If that's ok with Andy? :y
OK, No problem, telemute / 06-109B now modified with correct plug for CK-7W and +12V, +12V switched and 0V tails added after fuses to run HK device.
TB, do you use the 'matching transformers' on your carkit's connected to Bose? I know your supposed to and all my cars use them but I only have some 'plain telemute leads here.
Also considering where to add impedance matching circuit in the loom, presently favouring fitting at telematics (boot) end which will need switched 12V feed ::).
Haven't used the transformers in the elite (built in on the mv6), but that lacks telematics.
I think autoleads are so far out of touch with these cars, you cant take their recommendations.
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OK, have made a little progress with this loom now:-
Telematics 32 Way connector completed:
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/02052011182.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/02052011181.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/02052011183.jpg)
Cable sleeving added to keep loom neat in boot area.
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/02052011184.jpg)
36Way ISO, first connection made... waiting on obtaining suitable cabling to continue:
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/02052011185.jpg)
To run the bluetooth car kit and Ipod Modulator a Telemute / Autoloeads cable was modified by cutting off old style Nokia power connector and replacing with new style for CK-7W etc kits. Have also added +12V, Ignition switched +12V and 0V after the fuses for Harmon Kardon Ipod modulator power connection.
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/02052011186.jpg)
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Is MIC wire missing?
Actually, that raises a good point - MIC sharing between telematics and Nokia? In the MV6 I used seperate MICs as the simple/easy solution :-/
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Is MIC wire missing?
Actually, that raises a good point - MIC sharing between telematics and Nokia? In the MV6 I used seperate MICs as the simple/easy solution :-/
Yes, Mic wire missing, telematics mic input will plug into telemute lead and telematics mic will plug into standard connector at courtesy lamp end (well it worked on mine!)
Nokia will use standard HFM-8 Mic..... at least it will if CG can obtain one as I can't find one despite having three CK-7W's here!
The telemtaics MIC is a powered / amplified device IIRC
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Is MIC wire missing?
Actually, that raises a good point - MIC sharing between telematics and Nokia? In the MV6 I used seperate MICs as the simple/easy solution :-/
Yes, Mic wire missing, telematics mic input will plug into telemute lead and telematics mic will plug into standard connector at courtesy lamp end (well it worked on mine!)
Nokia will use standard HFM-8 Mic..... at least it will if CG can obtain one as I can't find one despite having three CK-7W's here!
The telemtaics MIC is a powered / amplified device IIRC
Yup, I reckon Nokia one must be as well - as I used the built in mic for the nokia kit in the Elite.
Dont think I have a spare mic... ...but egay have then cheap enough
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Wow, looking good. :y
If anyone has a link to the mic needed :-[ i'll get it....? :)
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This one?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-MP-2-Microphone-CK-7W-CK-15W-_W0QQitemZ300550372732QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=229395800607&rvr_id=229395800607&cguid=b5ed34bf12f0a0aa1221a251ffeffa42
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Aye, either one of those or the earlier HFM-8 will be fine. Don't get one just yet though, give me a chance to have a sift through my various boxes of
junk quality spares. ;D
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Chris, I can't locate a mic for the Nokia so i'll leave you to sort that one.
I've got some old Prefacilift autochanger looms winging their way to me (Thanks Lee4206 and Dodger) so will carry on with the loom as soon as they arrive.
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Thanks chaps.... :-* :y
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
There's certainly no plug taped up under the glove box with 2015... ANDYYYY. ..... CUSTOMERRRR. ;D
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
There's certainly no plug taped up under the glove box with 2015... ANDYYYY. ..... CUSTOMERRRR. ;D
Nah... I'm not gay enough to want to move it ::) ;D
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
There's certainly no plug taped up under the glove box with 2015... ANDYYYY. ..... CUSTOMERRRR. ;D
Nah... I'm not gay enough to want to move it ::) ;D
Don't you start, it's bad enough fighting " him" off... ;D
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
There's certainly no plug taped up under the glove box with 2015... ANDYYYY. ..... CUSTOMERRRR. ;D
ISTR that the shouty bloke says to use a TM loom, but surely if I have the correct auto-leads product it would make more sense to splice that into the telematics loom so I can utilise the OE mic?
Ooh... Now I'm thinking about it, I could try and get hold of the correct plugs and make up a nice little "splitter" so it works right. Does the pre-wired bit plug straight onto the rear of the telematics or is there a length of cable there?
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
There's certainly no plug taped up under the glove box with 2015... ANDYYYY. ..... CUSTOMERRRR. ;D
ISTR that the shouty bloke says to use a TM loom, but surely if I have the correct auto-leads product it would make more sense to splice that into the telematics loom so I can utilise the OE mic?
Ooh... Now I'm thinking about it, I could try and get hold of the correct plugs and make up a nice little "splitter" so it works right. Does the pre-wired bit plug straight onto the rear of the telematics or is there a length of cable there?
;D breaked if I know mate ;D
I'm sure somebody Andy/TB know... ;)
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
There's certainly no plug taped up under the glove box with 2015... ANDYYYY. ..... CUSTOMERRRR. ;D
ISTR that the shouty bloke says to use a TM loom, but surely if I have the correct auto-leads product it would make more sense to splice that into the telematics loom so I can utilise the OE mic?
Ooh... Now I'm thinking about it, I could try and get hold of the correct plugs and make up a nice little "splitter" so it works right. Does the pre-wired bit plug straight onto the rear of the telematics or is there a length of cable there?
Dont think you can share mic, hence gayboy will have a seperate Nokia mic for nokia kit.
Not sure if its a straight splice into loom due to impedence issues... ...might have to play with either yours or gayboys... ...shame, got enough stuff here almost to test, except non of the 4 telematics units work ;D
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That'll be three of my units then!!!! :-X
Just to clarify, prewiring for phone if fitted to your vehicle will give you access to +12V, +12V switched, 0V, MIC connectivity (clarification of MIC installed in courtesy light required), Audio in (Mono line in to Head Unit) and mute.
In order to run a Telematics you will need CANbus connectivity, Diagnostic link connectivity and I prefer to feed a decent gauge cable direct from the 12V and 0V line into the headunit that at least matches the cross section of the double 12V and 0V lines to the Telematics. This and the ability to not mess with the cars own wiring by creating a sub loom is the reason why we prefer to build these looms using a Trafficmaster loom that sits between the car wiring and the head unit.
HTH
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I've got hold of another pre-wired "socket" and loom from a breaker (cheers Albs!) :y
My theory is... Splice the "new" pre-wired socket into the existing car Pre-wired connection (currently plugged into the telematics unit) to give a "spare" pre-wire connection, then plug the Autoleads 109 (right one) into that socket. :-/
At the end of the day it'll cost me peanuts to try it out and it may be the tidiest option :-/ :-/ I really need to look at some wiring diagrams but don't see any reason for it not to work properly... Only issue I can see is if there were to be a call on both phones at once :-/ :-/
If it doesn't work, I'llTB/someone can knock up a modified TM loom for me :y :y
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I suddenly have a little interest in this topic :-X ::) I'm assuming that a car fitted with telematics will already be using the pre-wiring? So to fit a nokia kit (I have the correct auto-leads) I would need to splice into the telematics loom?
There's certainly no plug taped up under the glove box with 2015... ANDYYYY. ..... CUSTOMERRRR. ;D
ISTR that the shouty bloke says to use a TM loom, but surely if I have the correct auto-leads product it would make more sense to splice that into the telematics loom so I can utilise the OE mic?
Ooh... Now I'm thinking about it, I could try and get hold of the correct plugs and make up a nice little "splitter" so it works right. Does the pre-wired bit plug straight onto the rear of the telematics or is there a length of cable there?
Dont think you can share mic, hence gayboy will have a seperate Nokia mic for nokia kit.
Not sure if its a straight splice into loom due to impedence issues... ...might have to play with either yours or gayboys... ...shame, got enough stuff here almost to test, except non of the 4 telematics units work ;D
But surely if I have the correct telemute lead for the car, with the special box of tricks, then it should plug straight in? :-/ :-/
As in, I could unplug from the telematics and plug the telemute lead into the pre-wiring and it would work... I'm just splicing into that to give the dual phone capability :-/ :-/
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I've got hold of another pre-wired "socket" and loom from a breaker (cheers Albs!) :y
My theory is... Splice the "new" pre-wired socket into the existing car Pre-wired connection (currently plugged into the telematics unit) to give a "spare" pre-wire connection, then plug the Autoleads 109 (right one) into that socket. :-/
At the end of the day it'll cost me peanuts to try it out and it may be the tidiest option :-/ :-/ I really need to look at some wiring diagrams but don't see any reason for it not to work properly... Only issue I can see is if there were to be a call on both phones at once :-/ :-/
If it doesn't work, I'llTB/someone can knock up a modified TM loom for me :y :y
It's not a problem to run both Telematics and a carkit together and it will work if both receive / make a call at the same time.
Your method of splicing a prewiring socket into the corresponding lines of the telematic loom will also work, though you wont have a Mute line on a genuine Telematic Loom as this is handled in a different way. ;)
The issue you will have is that you cannot use the same microphone as the Telematics one is different to the standard one and you may also find you have an impedance mismatch on the audio in lines.
The big question here is what do you currently have? A facelift vehicle with the full factory NCDC2015 / Telematics setup or a NCDR1500 / Telematics and a loom to fit this to a prefacelift? ::) :-/
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It's not a problem to run both Telematics and a carkit together and it will work if both receive / make a call at the same time.
Your method of splicing a prewiring socket into the corresponding lines of the telematic loom will also work, though you wont have a Mute line on a genuine Telematic Loom as this is handled in a different way. ;)
The issue you will have is that you cannot use the same microphone as the Telematics one is different to the standard one and you may also find you have an impedance mismatch on the audio in lines.
The big question here is what do you currently have? A facelift vehicle with the full factory NCDC2015 / Telematics setup or a NCDR1500 / Telematics and a loom to fit this to a prefacelift? ::) :-/
What do I have? Errm... Shhh... It's a secret! (but the former applies!)
My understanding was that you could plug the correct telemute lead into the pre-wire socket and everything works ok :-? My intention is to slice into that, creating "twin" pre-wire sockets, one for the nokia kit and one for the existing telematics ... That way both of the pre-wire bits on the car will have all of the connections (although, to be fair, the one for the nokia kit I would only splice the required pins).
The telemute lead I have is the correct, supressed one so should be ok for speaker outputs :-/ Just the mic that's in question... But if the telematics wasn't there and the nokia kit was plugged into the pre-wiring it would work with the fitted mic... So it should work fine :-/
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Right, think I understand, however, the inbuilt prewiring in the car does not support Telematics, that requires some extra lines not present on the prewiring plug. If you wanted to add those extra lines (listed on one of my posts above) then I guess you could as there's plenty of blank spaces on the prewiring socket.
The Telemute / Autoleads adaptor with the matching transformers does not cure the impedance issue when a Telematics is introduced to another phone, they are there to ensure that the Bose amp doesn't make a bid for Bose heaven (supposedly) - or as Autoleads put it 'to save issues with Bose'. The Jury is still out as to wether they are really required. On factory fitted Telematics installations we believe there is an impedance matching device somewhere (shown on TIS diagrams), the circuit TB made up equates to the same solution.
Simplest solution to the MIC issue is to use the correct MIC for telematics in the courtesy lamp and the supplied kit MIC for the car kit.
Remember also that Telematics is paired with the HU and Screen and therefore I think the HU may get a little upset if it's not present 100% of the time.
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Right, think I understand, however, the inbuilt prewiring in the car does not support Telematics, that requires some extra lines not present on the prewiring plug. If you wanted to add those extra lines (listed on one of my posts above) then I guess you could as there's plenty of blank spaces on the prewiring socket.
Right... I was a little fuddled last night ::) ::)
The car has a NCDC2015 and Telematics fitted which, I assume, is using up the pre wiring socket that would usually be behind the glove box :-?
The Telemute / Autoleads adaptor with the matching transformers does not cure the impedance issue when a Telematics is introduced to another phone, they are there to ensure that the Bose amp doesn't make a bid for Bose heaven (supposedly) - or as Autoleads put it 'to save issues with Bose'. The Jury is still out as to wether they are really required. On factory fitted Telematics installations we believe there is an impedance matching device somewhere (shown on TIS diagrams), the circuit TB made up equates to the same solution.
So what you're saying is that the little impedance matching circuit on the telemute lead is not required because it's already fitted elsewhere? Or is that circuit within the telematics unit, in which case it would still need to be fitted if the Nokia input is "after" the telematics unit (which it will be)
Simplest solution to the MIC issue is to use the correct MIC for telematics in the courtesy lamp and the supplied kit MIC for the car kit.
Fitting the Nokia mic is no problem, but I'd prefer not to if I can use the pre-installed one that the telematics uses. Surely it's the same mic across the range and if there was no Telematics the H/F would just plug and play :-/ The only issue I can see is if there was a call in progress on both the Nokia kit and the telematics simultaneously, which is never going to happen as the telematics is more of a backup in case there is no signal on the other phone :-/
Remember also that Telematics is paired with the HU and Screen and therefore I think the HU may get a little upset if it's not present 100% of the time.
It will still be present all the time, I planed to splice another pre-wired socket into the car loom, alongside the existing one, for the Nokia kit. Basically, add the plug pictured into the car loom alongside the existing one which, I assume, is plugged into the back of the telematics unit.
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0958.jpg)
(Thanks for the picture Albs ::)) And sorry to all for the poor quality (to copy his words!) ::) :D
Hopefully that's made my plans a little clearer having been described without the affluence of incahol :-[ ::) ;D If it's never going to work I won't bother trying, but I can't see any reason for it not to :-/
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Right, think I understand, however, the inbuilt prewiring in the car does not support Telematics, that requires some extra lines not present on the prewiring plug. If you wanted to add those extra lines (listed on one of my posts above) then I guess you could as there's plenty of blank spaces on the prewiring socket.
Right... I was a little fuddled last night ::) ::)
The car has a NCDC2015 and Telematics fitted which, I assume, is using up the pre wiring socket that would usually be behind the glove box :-?
No the prewiring for a phone is not the same loom as the wiring for a 2015
The Telemute / Autoleads adaptor with the matching transformers does not cure the impedance issue when a Telematics is introduced to another phone, they are there to ensure that the Bose amp doesn't make a bid for Bose heaven (supposedly) - or as Autoleads put it 'to save issues with Bose'. The Jury is still out as to wether they are really required. On factory fitted Telematics installations we believe there is an impedance matching device somewhere (shown on TIS diagrams), the circuit TB made up equates to the same solution.
So what you're saying is that the little impedance matching circuit on the telemute lead is not required because it's already fitted elsewhere? Or is that circuit within the telematics unit, in which case it would still need to be fitted if the Nokia input is "after" the telematics unit (which it will be)
The matching transformers are for line level adjustment to stop the Bose amp heading for Bose heaven when connected to a car kit with potential to feed higher than line level (by adjustment on the handsets volume control), the impedance matching circuit that TB and I refer to is because the outputs from the Telematics have a different impedance to the outputs of a.n.other car kit and when you try to send them both to the head unit the output levels are very different - the Telematics is nearly silent but the car kit is too loud.
Simplest solution to the MIC issue is to use the correct MIC for telematics in the courtesy lamp and the supplied kit MIC for the car kit.
Fitting the Nokia mic is no problem, but I'd prefer not to if I can use the pre-installed one that the telematics uses. Surely it's the same mic across the range and if there was no Telematics the H/F would just plug and play :-/ The only issue I can see is if there was a call in progress on both the Nokia kit and the telematics simultaneously, which is never going to happen as the telematics is more of a backup in case there is no signal on the other phone :-/
Different MIC's Telematics mic is an amplified MIC whereas car kit devices are not. I've got the part numbers somewhere.
Remember also that Telematics is paired with the HU and Screen and therefore I think the HU may get a little upset if it's not present 100% of the time.
It will still be present all the time, I planed to splice another pre-wired socket into the car loom, alongside the existing one, for the Nokia kit. Basically, add the plug pictured into the car loom alongside the existing one which, I assume, is plugged into the back of the telematics unit.
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0958.jpg)
(Thanks for the picture Albs ::)) And sorry to all for the poor quality (to copy his words!) ::) :D
As mentioned previuosly, Telematics connector is not the same as the pre-wiring and you will be missing signals to 'piggyback' off this - The Telematics does not need a MUTE line so not present on plug.
Hopefully that's made my plans a little clearer having been described without the affluence of incahol :-[ ::) ;D If it's never going to work I won't bother trying, but I can't see any reason for it not to :-/
It will work but you need to implement the install in the same way as TB and I have to make it work.
I really could do with having a closer look at a factory Telematics install to see how they resolved the impedance issues as i'm not 100% convinced by the TIS information.
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LazyCripple - you cannot share the MIC. There are different MIC types fitted to the courtesy light. That said, I believe the telematics (made by Nokia) and a Nokia kit use the same type (although I do get complaints in TBE of being faint/quiet).... ....BUT its a powered, amplified mic, so think you'll get into all sorted of issues trying to share it, without switching it between kits with relays etc (which would make the Telematics moan). I'm sure a circuit could be made up, but for the sake of a 2nd Nokia mic, its not worth the effort.
Forget the autoleads think. Waste of time in this case - you're making work for yourself to use it, and the only point of those telemutes is to make lift easier ;).
What you need to do is feed your Nokia from the available +, W, 0v connections, connect to the audio wires*, and run a wire back to mute (as this doesn't exist in the Telematics loom (as it does it via CAN))
[size=14]* Impedence issues still need to be tested - not convinced they will be an issue with factory fitted Telematics, as there will be no isolation transformers/audio transformers which exist with non-Telematics prewired cars.[/size]
VXL V6, seeing as my ncdc test loom is wrecked :-[, and time to rebuild it isn't forthcoming, can you test on your test loom?
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All received and understood guys... Thanks :y Was just trying to make a tidier job of the wiring ::)
So... I guess I'll be looking for you to sort it at some point for me :-X ::) In the mean time, I can carry on exactly as I have for the last 3.5 years just diverting my mobile to the car phone :y :y
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All received and understood guys... Thanks :y Was just trying to make a tidier job of the wiring ::)
So... I guess I'll be looking for you to sort it at some point for me :-X ::) In the mean time, I can carry on exactly as I have for the last 3.5 years just diverting my mobile to the car phone :y :y
Nokia mic is fairly neat - up passenger A pillar, across to sunroof motor housing, then attach to headlining or motor housing as required.
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All received and understood guys... Thanks :y Was just trying to make a tidier job of the wiring ::)
So... I guess I'll be looking for you to sort it at some point for me :-X ::) In the mean time, I can carry on exactly as I have for the last 3.5 years just diverting my mobile to the car phone :y :y
Nokia mic is fairly neat - up passenger A pillar, across to sunroof motor housing, then attach to headlining or motor housing as required.
Yeah, no worries with that... I've fitted a few in my time and always hide it away properly :y :y
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VXL V6, seeing as my ncdc test loom is wrecked :-[, and time to rebuild it isn't forthcoming, can you test on your test loom?
Yep no problem, do you want to borrow it? Planning to go to the meet on the 30th so could bring all my boxes of assorted NCDC type crap with me! ;D
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
I'll have a look at it when I come over and advise you if it's worth bothering with or if you should just "donate" it to TB as spares ::) ::)
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Doubt its worth me bothering with. Just whether bits of it may be of any use to you or anyone else. :-/
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Chris will have the microphone off you if it's in one piece!
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Chris will have the microphone off you if it's in one piece!
I think he's already bought one ::) Although I've got 2 handsfree kits to fit as SWMBO needs one chucking into her car too ;)
Mind you, for the sake of a few quid on fleabay I think I'd stick a new one in ;)
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Chris will have the microphone off you if it's in one piece!
I think he's already bought one ::) Although I've got 2 handsfree kits to fit as SWMBO needs one chucking into her car too ;)
Mind you, for the sake of a few quid on fleabay I think I'd stick a new one in ;)
Yes, be a pain to have to find it didn't work after you've routed it up the A pillar and halfway across the roof!
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Chris will have the microphone off you if it's in one piece!
I think he's already bought one ::) Although I've got 2 handsfree kits to fit as SWMBO needs one chucking into her car too ;)
Mind you, for the sake of a few quid on fleabay I think I'd stick a new one in ;)
Yes, be a pain to have to find it didn't work after you've routed it up the A pillar and halfway across the roof!
Speaking of spares, have you got a spare jog wheel for the CK7W in known working condition?
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I've got a couple of full kits less the microphones. Would prefer not to split them up tbh but if you find they are silly money on Evilbay then i'm sure I can exchange one for a couple of chocolate brownies!
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I've got a couple of full kits less the microphones. Would prefer not to split them up tbh but if you find they are silly money on Evilbay then i'm sure I can exchange one for a couple of chocolate brownies!
Nah... Not stupid money and I'll probably be ordering a couple of mics anyway. Just thought I'd check you didn't just have a spare one!
Got a result the other day, bought a 2nd hand kit and he threw in another control box he had kicking around :y
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If your talking CK-7W's there's a couple of versions around, some of the early ones have bluetooth issues with some later phones.
I've given up on them now as Nokia only provide holders and not charging cradles for their phones so have switched to Bury Kits with the interchangeable cradles, seem to be far better quality than any of Nokia's current offerings. :y
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If your talking CK-7W's there's a couple of versions around, some of the early ones have bluetooth issues with some later phones.
I've given up on them now as Nokia only provide holders and not charging cradles for their phones so have switched to Bury Kits with the interchangeable cradles, seem to be far better quality than any of Nokia's current offerings. :y
Yeah, CK-7W's. To be used with iPhone 4's. TB seemed to think that CK-7W was the best route to go down :y :y
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If your talking CK-7W's there's a couple of versions around, some of the early ones have bluetooth issues with some later phones.
I've given up on them now as Nokia only provide holders and not charging cradles for their phones so have switched to Bury Kits with the interchangeable cradles, seem to be far better quality than any of Nokia's current offerings. :y
Yeah, CK-7W's. To be used with iPhone 4's. TB seemed to think that CK-7W was the best route to go down :y :y
We still use a variety of Nokia's here so having easily swappable cradles on the Bury kits is a godsend.
That said I think Mrs VXL V6 fancies an Iphone...
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
I'll have a look at it when I come over and advise you if it's worth bothering with or if you should just "donate" it to TB as spares ::) ::)
Have a look now if you want. Its a HFU-2 unit,I think it may be a collectors item. ::) ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0961.jpg)
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
I'll have a look at it when I come over and advise you if it's worth bothering with or if you should just "donate" it to TB as spares ::) ::)
Have a look now if you want. I think it may be a collectors item. ::) ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0961.jpg)
Doubt it, I gave all that to Joff as a freebie ;D ;D
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
I'll have a look at it when I come over and advise you if it's worth bothering with or if you should just "donate" it to TB as spares ::) ::)
Have a look now if you want. I think it may be a collectors item. ::) ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0961.jpg)
Looks like a CK-7W. Worth about £20-30 (max) on fleabay 2nd hand... I've bought nearly 2 of them for £20 delivered this week but need a few bits and pieces to complete the 2nd... I'll take it for a sensible donation to the Albs Beer fund and send the spares on to Andy/TB :y :y
Scrub that... I've just looked again ::) I wouldn't mind the mic if you're not selling it, but the rest of it (except the autoleads bit) is worth peanuts :'(
We can talk about it during the week if you like :y
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Sounds like a plan. (I was going to bin it). :D ;D
Im rather partial to a chateau Laffite 1924 btw. :y ;D
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Take it away, save the binmen a job. ;) ::)
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
I'll have a look at it when I come over and advise you if it's worth bothering with or if you should just "donate" it to TB as spares ::) ::)
Have a look now if you want. I think it may be a collectors item. ::) ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0961.jpg)
Doubt it, I gave all that to Joff as a freebie ;D ;D
When he spent £££,s. ::) ;) ;D
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Take it away, save the binmen a job. ;) ::)
I take it that means you saw my edit above then ::) ::) ::)
Sorry to get your hopes up :-[ :-[ :-[
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
I'll have a look at it when I come over and advise you if it's worth bothering with or if you should just "donate" it to TB as spares ::) ::)
Have a look now if you want. I think it may be a collectors item. ::) ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0961.jpg)
Doubt it, I gave all that to Joff as a freebie ;D ;D
When he spent £££,s. ::) ;) ;D
Look after the ones who are true to their word. You know all about that Albs ::)
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Take it away, save the binmen a job. ;) ::)
I take it that means you saw my edit above then ::) ::) ::)
Sorry to get your hopes up :-[ :-[ :-[
Im over 50 - dont have hopes. ;) ::) ;D
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I hope Mrs Albs doesnt look at this thread and recognise that tea towel. ::) ;D ;D
I also have some sort of Nokia kit kit here including mic - which may be of some use, or may be hopelessly out of date. ;)
I'll have a look at it when I come over and advise you if it's worth bothering with or if you should just "donate" it to TB as spares ::) ::)
Have a look now if you want. I think it may be a collectors item. ::) ;D
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF0961.jpg)
Doubt it, I gave all that to Joff as a freebie ;D ;D
When he spent £££,s. ::) ;) ;D
Look after the ones who are true to their word. You know all about that Albs ::)
;) :-X ::)
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Sorry...Do not know....
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Mounted the unit in the boot, with Carin cage thanks to Lincs Robert. :y
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/80e45dd5.jpg)
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Looks like it was meant to fit there!
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Any news for the loom? ::)
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Loom built in two halves to aid installation, will be 'grafted' into the car ASAP.
Just trying to source the correct antenna plug for the connection on the rear of the Telematics device.
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Ok mate, I will consult this topic frequently so :)