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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: humbucker on 04 January 2011, 17:18:53
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i have the colour satnav shizl for my mv6 with the navtech satnav disc that was issued at the original point of sale. in short, will later navtech discs work in the same system, or to put the question another way, does anyone know what the most recent edition of the navtech disc is that will be compatible in the 2013 omega unit?
cheers m'dears :y
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yes they will.. they have just lunched a complete set of cds at 200€ with western europe 2011, but once you insert one of those you can never go back to the old ones :(
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Genuine ones upto 2010, last time I looked.
Don't be tempted to use copies though. It kills the lasers.... :y
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they have this one now European Package - Siemens Opel 8-CD Set v.2010-2011
Catalog # T1000-17432
actualy is the only one available since it will make unusable the old ones :)
http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Navteq-NavteqEurope-Site/en_GB/-/EUR/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse?CatalogCategoryID=YoUKCggRMCoAAAEOfsttNDzd&ShowAllProducts=YES&PersistNavigationMenu=YES#
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I use a 2010 disc that I managed to buy off eBay.de, probably from someone who was splitting a Western Europe set and didn't need/want the UK disc.
Cost about £25 in the end, but cheaper than paying the £60/70 over here.
So might be worth trawling eBay.de if your German is any good :y.
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well right now you get 8cds at 200pounds so its 25 pound a piece :). unfortunately you cant get a single one :(
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Yes the lousy cash grabbing europeans with bottomed out morals and values >:(
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thanks for the advice chaps. so i'm right in thinking that if i want to use this later disc my earlier ones become unusable? will keep an eye out for a later uk disc as mentioned :y
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thanks for the advice chaps. so i'm right in thinking that if i want to use this later disc my earlier ones become unusable? will keep an eye out for a later uk disc as mentioned :y
Not sure about the Omega ones, but generally speaking, the insertion of a later Nav disc usually updates a small amount of firmware at the same time for the "searches" which is what makes using the older discs difficult afterwards.
;)
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thanks for the advice chaps. so i'm right in thinking that if i want to use this later disc my earlier ones become unusable? will keep an eye out for a later uk disc as mentioned :y
Not sure about the Omega ones, but generally speaking, the insertion of a later Nav disc usually updates a small amount of firmware at the same time for the "searches" which is what makes using the older discs difficult afterwards.
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Normally, inserting an older disk 'upgrades' the firmware to the older version, but NavTeq are now saying that once you have upgraded to the 2011 on the NCDx, you cannot go back.
Does anyone in UK have 2011 maps? Does it enable TMC messages if radio tuned to Classic or Heart (try both). I don't want to spend the money if it doesn't enable that feature...
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thanks for the advice chaps. so i'm right in thinking that if i want to use this later disc my earlier ones become unusable? will keep an eye out for a later uk disc as mentioned :y
Not sure about the Omega ones, but generally speaking, the insertion of a later Nav disc usually updates a small amount of firmware at the same time for the "searches" which is what makes using the older discs difficult afterwards.
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Normally, inserting an older disk 'upgrades' the firmware to the older version, but NavTeq are now saying that once you have upgraded to the 2011 on the NCDx, you cannot go back.
Does anyone in UK have 2011 maps? Does it enable TMC messages if radio tuned to Classic or Heart (try both). I don't want to spend the money if it doesn't enable that feature...
I think i'd sooner not know about the impending traffic jam if I had to utilise the single tuner to get the 'TMC' data!
Still interested to know the answer though... as will Mr Gixer no doubt!
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Didn`t think any of the Vx range used the TMC data ?
Didn`t think they spent on the licensing needed to make it work in the UK - could be wrong and thinking of something else though, but I know there is something that Vx woudln`t spend out on.
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could be wrong and thinking of something else though, but I know there is something that Vx woudln`t spend out on.
anti corrosion measures?! :P
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with tmc you don't need a new map :D.. i have an opel omega, not vx :D and this last summer i went to germany with a nav cd that is 2001 but i nevedr had any single problem and no trafic jam. a year before i was guided by my e90 with garmin and it took 2 times longer and 2 one way roads i almost steered into them :). from what i understood in uk you need to pay for tmc or what??
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with tmc you don't need a new map :D.. i have an opel omega, not vx :D and this last summer i went to germany with a nav cd that is 2001 but i nevedr had any single problem and no trafic jam. a year before i was guided by my e90 with garmin and it took 2 times longer and 2 one way roads i almost steered into them :). from what i understood in uk you need to pay for tmc or what??
Basically that - in the UK (from what I've read from TheBoy here) TMC is encrypted and Vauxhall didn't pay for the decryption keys to use TMC..
In Europe TMC is free to all (as my Dad found out when his Nissan magically started using it)
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so vauxhall needs to pay for it not every user?? insignia doesn't have tmc either?? its new...
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so vauxhall needs to pay for it not every user?? insignia doesn't have tmc either?? its new...
Yes, Vauxhall added the TMC function without realising that unlike the rest of Europe, TMC is licensed and paid for seperately in the UK, and as such the system was never activated for Vauxhall to allow the user to then pay an additional susbscription charge.
:-X
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Didn`t think any of the Vx range used the TMC data ?
Didn`t think they spent on the licensing needed to make it work in the UK - could be wrong and thinking of something else though, but I know there is something that Vx woudln`t spend out on.
I believe the later range, CD70 etc, did have TMC.
There is a rumour going around that the new map does enable TMC on the NCDx range, but cannot get any confirmation. Navteq are as much use as a used condom smeared in dogshit when presented with technical questions.
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so vauxhall needs to pay for it not every user?? insignia doesn't have tmc either?? its new...
The 'fee' is included the map subscription, and the map supplier pays TMCUK
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Didn`t think any of the Vx range used the TMC data ?
Didn`t think they spent on the licensing needed to make it work in the UK - could be wrong and thinking of something else though, but I know there is something that Vx woudln`t spend out on.
I had a vectra renter a couple of years ago that had it working.
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Didn`t think any of the Vx range used the TMC data ?
Didn`t think they spent on the licensing needed to make it work in the UK - could be wrong and thinking of something else though, but I know there is something that Vx woudln`t spend out on.
I had a vectra renter a couple of years ago that had it working.
CD70s have UK TMC. The jury is still out on NCDC range.
NCDC range works with free, unencrypted TMC, as found in France etc. Certainly, up to and including 2009/2010 maps, NCDC units are unable to decrypt the UK TMC messages.
The jury is still out on the 2010/2011 NCDC maps. These need (and include) a one-way system software update, and one of the enhancements is 'improved TMC performance' according to some of the docs. Some sites have suggested it may enable UK TMC from Classic or via the Heart network. Yet, apart from one dodgy seller, nobody can guarantee/confirm this.
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so is the software update only on the 2010/11 edition then? and the previous versions are happy to operate with the 'old' firmware? i.e. 2009 and beforehand should be 'disc in > play' whereas later edition needs the software update first?
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so is the software update only on the 2010/11 edition then? and the previous versions are happy to operate with the 'old' firmware? i.e. 2009 and beforehand should be 'disc in > play' whereas later edition needs the software update first?
Earlier versions did occasionally upgrade (and downgrade if reverted to earlier disk). Seems 2011 doesn't allow rollback, and update comes on separate cd.
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Rock Radio works around the Manchester area too.
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continuing the same thread, is there a language option on the navteq discs? were they all the same from factory irrespective of the territory they were sold in, and just configured in the car? there is no mention of language on any of the sales ads i've seen and didn't want to end up driving around the uk with german instructions.
"biegen Sie links ab! schnell!" ;D
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they have the same language as your bc.. mine was in german, the cd was from germany and changed the language in my bc and thats gone, all is in english, including the female voice(The navigation sistem is ready) :P
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I'd also like to know if TMC system can be 'switched on' with the latest maps. I've got the 09/10 maps but would be willing to upgrade if the TMC can be activated,
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they have the same language as your bc
BC?
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they have the same language as your bc
BC?
I think it is BC - board computer ;)
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they have the same language as your bc
BC?
I think it is BC - board computer ;)
yep.. thanx for that.. in my 2015 there is a button with bc on it and from there i can acess the language settings :)
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Did somebody mention TMC?
Iirc, the story is it works fine in Europe? But not in uk.
.....also interested to know if it works on the new versions.
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TMC aside for a minute, what other improvements are included In the update? It's obviously a major revision if other previous versions are rendered useless....?
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Will let you know in a day or two....... :)
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Ooooh getting excited. [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
What's the betting? I reckonnnnnn...... on the bassis of the update size, yes, £1 or a curry says tmc works....?
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Will let you know in a day or two....... :)
you bought them???
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http://www.navigation.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Navteq-NavteqEurope-Site/en_GB/-/EUR/ViewStandardCatalog-Browse?CatalogCategoryID=PncKCggRFC0AAAEOyMptNDzd&ShowAllProducts=YES&PersistNavigationMenu=YES
That ^^ is the very latest for the NCDC2013 and the compatibility section has a serious warning on it .... :(
I got a 2010 disc from Germany for £35, not seen any 2011 on ebay.de yet, and no signs of the "software" CD either
If anyone wants a 2008/2009 disc there is one here ..
http://cgi.ebay.de/UK-ENGLAND-IRELAND-2009-OPEL-NCDC-2013-2015-NCDR-1500-/180616368706?pt=Navigations_CDs_software_1&hash=item2a0d931242
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That's a good price Nige, but tbh I'm not bothered about updating the latest map personally. I have stuff on a phone with better usability, although nowhere near as accurate. The combination of both serves mewell enough, although with 3 women yaking in the car it can get a little tiresome. :-X
However if TMC works, and possibly other upgrades(I don't know, will it have post codes? :-/ ) then I would consider the 2011.
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In dream land I'd hope the 2011 disc has TMC, post codes and speed cameras. ;D
Thinking pessimistically I think they could just introduce this 'big' update to make sure people have to buy the whole package so that they have access to the software cd, preventing splits on ebay. And just a simple map update. Hopefully not though ey! :-X
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The other issue that the update could highlight is the speed of the unit. TB and I have noticed different versions of the NCDC/R hardware seem to have different operating speeds, not sure if this is down to memory or clock speed of the processor.
If the update is adding large amounts of functionality it could conceivably slow the unit down.
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The other issue that the update could highlight is the speed of the unit. TB and I have noticed different versions of the NCDC/R hardware seem to have different operating speeds, not sure if this is down to memory or clock speed of the processor.
If the update is adding large amounts of functionality it could conceivably slow the unit down.
Yes TB has spotted my unit with 03 disc runs some of the exploded views quicker than his, and I find I'm already through the round about and out the other side before it's shown me which exit to take, although the voice command is fine. Bit irritating though.
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Initial findings from someone more cleverer than wot I is says that it does not enable TMC..... :'(
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:'(. Doh, so I guess the next question is.... what's the update for? I hope it's not just a map update done differently...?
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i will stick with the 2010 disc then.
is it no longer available as a uk only disc or that a later release ?
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i will stick with the 2010 disc then.
is it no longer available as a uk only disc or that a later release ?
To the best of my knowledge only sold as part of the mega-expensive pack .. around 200Euros.. which is why I got mine from ebay.de ... there are, occasionaly, folks who have bought the big pack who sell on the discs they don't need. Takes a while but eventualy they turn up .. mine cost me £35 - BTW .. these are genuine items .. don't buy the copies...
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anyone know if the new/recent editions have postcode search?
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anyone know if the new/recent editions have postcode search?
im trying to weigh up the pros and cons of investing in a set of recent discs vs buying a typical satnav unit of equivalent power. i'm planning a road trip around europe in the omega later in the year, taking in most of western europe, so want something comprehensive and accurate that is gonna guide us on our way. i dont mind shelling out for the ncdc discs if theyre gonna do the job, but wondered what the pros and cons over getting the regular sat nav would be. never had a proper sat nav before that wasn't the carin OR on my nokia n95(!) so new territory i guess.
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anyone know if the new/recent editions have postcode search?
NCDC2013 with the 2009/2010 genuine disk .... no postcode .. the disc just gives the latest map.
Still no info if the 2011 "upgrade" disk changes it sufficiently that post codes are enabled.
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anyone know if the new/recent editions have postcode search?
im trying to weigh up the pros and cons of investing in a set of recent discs vs buying a typical satnav unit of equivalent power. i'm planning a road trip around europe in the omega later in the year, taking in most of western europe, so want something comprehensive and accurate that is gonna guide us on our way. i dont mind shelling out for the ncdc discs if theyre gonna do the job, but wondered what the pros and cons over getting the regular sat nav would be. never had a proper sat nav before that wasn't the carin OR on my nokia n95(!) so new territory i guess.
I have a tomtom with the latest "Western Europe" maps on it, and it is exceedingly simple to use, very accurate, and actually easier to see (its in the bottom corner on the right hand side of the screen) than moving your head to look at the CID IMHO.
Downsides are it can lose signal in forests/cities and tunnels at which point it gets pretty inaccurate. The built-in satnav uses accelerometers to continue to function, the tomtom just loses it .. :)
CID being larger is easier to read, but far harder to programme, and has far fewer facilities. tomtom also acts as my "handsfree" .
You pays your money and takes your choice .. :) I had the TT well before I got the fitted satnav .. so use both. It can get interesting when they try and give different directions to the same place !!
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Downsides are it can lose signal in forests/cities and tunnels at which point it gets pretty inaccurate. The built-in satnav uses accelerometers to continue to function, the tomtom just loses it .. :)
thats a really good point that i hadnt really considered. our journey will take us well off the beaten track so having signal will be imperative. maybe the best of both worlds really is the answer.
CID being larger is easier to read, but far harder to programme, and has far fewer facilities. tomtom also acts as my "handsfree" .
can you programme the CID for 'via' routes, (because of how long it takes to program it) for example, instead of simply A to B can you go A to B via C D and E?
what portable satnav/handheld device would you guys recommend looking at to compliment the functions of the CID? after something fairly comprehensive that wont break the bank tbh. ideally with up to date maps, all the places of interest, multi point route planning, speed cameras would be good but not essential etc etc
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and actually easier to see (its in the bottom corner on the right hand side of the screen) than moving your head to look at the CID IMHO.
I'm amazed TB hasn't turned up to call you names for sticking a 'big *** gonk' on your screen and sent off a letter to have your driving license revoked.. ::) ;)
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Entwood is a pikey, so no point calling him gay as well :P
Pretty certain that 2011 maps will not do postcodes on this system
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ok.. i have to ask and not open a new thread: what is it up with post code navigation?? why do you need the post code? when you ask someone for his adress does he or she give you their postal code?
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ok.. i have to ask and not open a new thread: what is it up with post code navigation?? why do you need the post code? when you ask someone for his adress does he or she give you their postal code?
The later postcode navigation systems can work by either entering the address as normal, or can be entered much faster by entering a house number followed by a postal / zip code.
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The later postcode navigation systems can work by either entering the address as normal, or can be entered much faster by entering a house number followed by a postal / zip code.
.. and most people I visit give me a house number and post code and assume that's all I need to get there. Having a Tom Tom avoids the embarrassment of having to ask for the whole address. ;)
Kevin
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Having been caught out by errors in TomTom's postcode data in the past, I always go by address (or if I do go via postcode, confirm the satnav picks the right location and road) >:(
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And confirmation from a man who knows such things, the 2011 maps run exactly the same system software as the 2010 (and 2009 and 2008 etc etc) maps on the Siemens NCDx series.
Therefore, despite rumours to the contrary, there is:
No TMC for UK - some european countries offering unencrypted TMC will work
No Postcode entry
No problems changing between different map versions
Any rumours contrary to the above, whether put about by dreamers, marketeers, or dreamers badly interpretaing marketeers, are pure, 100% bull.
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Unfortunately, as I thought :(
At least you can still use older discs I suppose.
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And confirmation from a man who knows such things, the 2011 maps run exactly the same system software as the 2010 (and 2009 and 2008 etc etc) maps on the Siemens NCDx series.
Therefore, despite rumours to the contrary, there is:
No TMC for UK - some european countries offering unencrypted TMC will work
No Postcode entry
No problems changing between different map versions
Any rumours contrary to the above, whether put about by dreamers, marketeers, or dreamers badly interpretaing marketeers, are pure, 100% bull.
Succint as usual :)
Thanks for the info ... I'll be sticking with the 2010 disk then .. :)
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No problems changing between different map versions
did your source say what the update disc is actually for?
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No problems changing between different map versions
did your source say what the update disc is actually for?
Yes.
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did your source say what the update disc is actually for?
Yes.
while i applaud your direct approach to answering the question, i dont mind admitting that i was hoping for a more elaborate response!
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No problems changing between different map versions
did your source say what the update disc is actually for?
Yes.
Training to be a politician are we ??
100% accurate and 0% useful ... :)
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did your source say what the update disc is actually for?
Yes.
while i applaud your direct approach to answering the question, i dont mind admitting that i was hoping for a more elaborate response!
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The update disk does contain a firmware update, but the firmware on those Siemens units hasn't been updated for years, so contains the same update as the previous couple of years map disks.
The map disks from 2011 no longer have the firmware update on them as the previous map disks did.
So if you have used a previous recent-ish map disk, you don't need the new update disk (but might need your old map disk in the rare occasions you need to reapply the firmware)
HTH, or at least clarifies things a bit.
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ace. thanks for that, appreciate the help.
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well i took the plunge and just bought a new set of 2011 discs for the CID and ncdc in advance of the road trip. will let you know how i get on with them (although got to install the CID yet... oh and then there's the head gasket to consider hehehehe...)
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Does anyone know when the next update will be released?
Navteq offers free shipping and some discount until August 31 - Could that be the release date?
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It's normally around july/august, though not sure if they have confirmed whether they will update siemens map