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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 26 February 2008, 21:55:10
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In Cardiff, I just got flashed by a traffic light camera
There were 2 lanes, I was waiting at a red light, front of que, right hand lane.
Light went to amber, so I prepare to move off, so does the guy in the inside lane. We go on green.
The camera then flashed, twice.
Can't work out why it flashed, or on what basis I'll get a ticket for this?
I intend to dispute if I do get one (is that possible?)
Also, what's the penalty if one of those flash - do you get points? I've currently got a clean licence :'(
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In Cardiff, I just got flashed by a traffic light camera
There were 2 lanes, I was waiting at a red light, front of que, right hand lane.
Light went to amber, so I prepare to move off, so does the guy in the inside lane. We go on green.
The camera then flashed, twice.
Can't work out why it flashed, or on what basis I'll get a ticket for this?
I intend to dispute if I do get one (is that possible?)
Also, what's the penalty if one of those flash - do you get points? I've currently got a clean licence :'(
The camera will show the lights, so if you were in the right, you're OK :)
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In Cardiff, I just got flashed by a traffic light camera
There were 2 lanes, I was waiting at a red light, front of que, right hand lane.
Light went to amber, so I prepare to move off, so does the guy in the inside lane. We go on green.
The camera then flashed, twice.
Can't work out why it flashed, or on what basis I'll get a ticket for this?
I intend to dispute if I do get one (is that possible?)
Also, what's the penalty if one of those flash - do you get points? I've currently got a clean licence :'(
wouldnt know, but if they send a fine thru the post, make sure it comes with the picture. did you get the other guys reg plate?
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In Cardiff, I just got flashed by a traffic light camera
There were 2 lanes, I was waiting at a red light, front of que, right hand lane.
Light went to amber, so I prepare to move off, so does the guy in the inside lane. We go on green.
The camera then flashed, twice.
Can't work out why it flashed, or on what basis I'll get a ticket for this?
I intend to dispute if I do get one (is that possible?)
Also, what's the penalty if one of those flash - do you get points? I've currently got a clean licence :'(
The camera will show the lights, so if you were in the right, you're OK :)
There is a CHANCE we may have gone a FRACTION early ::)
But I am sure nowhere near to set off a camera, I'm confused why it went off..
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could it have been someone going through a bit late from other direction.....i.e. crossroads?
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In Cardiff, I just got flashed by a traffic light camera
There were 2 lanes, I was waiting at a red light, front of que, right hand lane.
Light went to amber, so I prepare to move off, so does the guy in the inside lane. We go on green.
The camera then flashed, twice.
Can't work out why it flashed, or on what basis I'll get a ticket for this?
I intend to dispute if I do get one (is that possible?)
Also, what's the penalty if one of those flash - do you get points? I've currently got a clean licence :'(
The camera will show the lights, so if you were in the right, you're OK :)
There is a CHANCE we may have gone a FRACTION early ::)
But I am sure nowhere near to set off a camera, I'm confused why it went off..
If you crossed the line before lights were green, you committed an offence.
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Happened to me about 15 years ago. It's a long story but I felt hard done to although I was banged to rights.
Received a summons through the post and got 3 points and £70 fine. >:(
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Sure the fine is double that now. ;)
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3 points for a fraction would be harsh - do they not have any discretion?
Can I request to see photographic evidence of me crossing an amber/red light before I cough up the fine?
TBH, I'm sure that camera should not have gone off...
I'm just wondering, as I didn't know the area - I hope that I didn't see a DIFFERENT light go green, and cross a red light thinking it was my turn to go... although I drove through the junction again, and don't see how that could have happened.
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3 points for a fraction would be harsh - do they not have any discretion?
Can I request to see photographic evidence of me crossing an amber/red light before I cough up the fine?
TBH, I'm sure that camera should not have gone off...
I'm just wondering, as I didn't know the area - I hope that I didn't see a DIFFERENT light go green, and cross a red light thinking it was my turn to go... although I drove through the junction again, and don't see how that could have happened.
As far as i know they either send you a copy or a link to where the photo's are on the net. The latter is how they showed me on a speeding one (talivan) .. never had one for a red light ....... :(
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3 points for a fraction would be harsh - do they not have any discretion?
Can I request to see photographic evidence of me crossing an amber/red light before I cough up the fine?
TBH, I'm sure that camera should not have gone off...
I'm just wondering, as I didn't know the area - I hope that I didn't see a DIFFERENT light go green, and cross a red light thinking it was my turn to go... although I drove through the junction again, and don't see how that could have happened.
That was my excuse, road was covered in snow and I was unfamiliar with the surroundings. Still got £70 and 3 points, however Cornish magistrates are renowned for being strict. Incidentally, I didn't live in Cornwall at the time. :(
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Two things......
A big white line on the road telling you where to stop, and a red light telling you how long to wait for the GREEN to go.....
Mistime it and expect a £60 donation and 3 points.......
If it was a 747 you were sitting in, waiting to clear an active runway and the pilot decided to go 'a shade' earlier and you were in the firing line for the incoming 747 who decided to chance it by 'running the red' in his direction, what would you like to happen???
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Two things......
A big white line on the road telling you where to stop, and a red light telling you how long to wait for the GREEN to go.....
Mistime it and expect a £60 donation and 3 points.......
If it was a 747 you were sitting in, waiting to clear an active runway and the pilot decided to go 'a shade' earlier and you were in the firing line for the incoming 747 who decided to chance it by 'running the red' in his direction, what would you like to happen???
a £30 fixed penalty
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Two things......
A big white line on the road telling you where to stop, and a red light telling you how long to wait for the GREEN to go.....
Mistime it and expect a £60 donation and 3 points.......
If it was a 747 you were sitting in, waiting to clear an active runway and the pilot decided to go 'a shade' earlier and you were in the firing line for the incoming 747 who decided to chance it by 'running the red' in his direction, what would you like to happen???
a £30 fixed penalty
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/TrafficManagement/DG_10025598
£60 and 3 points.......
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These things do seem to get it wrong sometimes. I drove through a set of lights on green once, and saw this huge flash (it was dark). I started getting paranoid thinking maybe it wasn't actually green, there was no other traffic around so it was possible, although extremely unlikely, I had completely misjudged it. Heard nothing about it so seems it was a false flash :-/
Saying that there's loads of them in Edinburgh and I've yet to see one go off falsely.
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happened to me 2 yrs ago. was on the A580 at mosley common. set of a little bit early. got 3 points and 60 fine plus now got a TS on my licence. insurance company loves that 1 >:(
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About 7yrs ago, i had a camara flash me before doing 34 in 30, nothing ever came of it, reckon there was no film in the camara.
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3 points for a fraction would be harsh - do they not have any discretion?
Nah, they're complete barstewards on these, you have to find some technicality or prove they were wrong.
I got 'flashed' by an Infra red a few years ago doing 62 in a temp 50. There was no flash so I thought nothing of it until 2 days before I deployed to Iraq I got the summons through. There was no contesting it so I was sat there in desert combats in RAF Brize Norton waiting area writing out a cheque to these f*****s.
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I got flashed two weeks ago today. A road I use appears to have had the speed camera threshold cranked down so now it goes off regularly.
So, when I went through at about 35ish, it triggered. Haven't had anything in the post yet. Can only hope that so many people have been caught out that it runs out of film often.
Mr Hagon
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Yes, probably cut and dried....remember that Amber also means stop.....
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Two things......
A big white line on the road telling you where to stop, and a red light telling you how long to wait for the GREEN to go.....
Mistime it and expect a £60 donation and 3 points.......
If it was a 747 you were sitting in, waiting to clear an active runway and the pilot decided to go 'a shade' earlier and you were in the firing line for the incoming 747 who decided to chance it by 'running the red' in his direction, what would you like to happen???
I accept your (valid) points Broocie.. But I'm sure the amber light was off and I'm still 99.9% confident I went on green.
The guy in the inside lane took off quicker than me, and was ahead of me when the camera flashed, lets hope it got him instead!
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Two things......
A big white line on the road telling you where to stop, and a red light telling you how long to wait for the GREEN to go.....
Mistime it and expect a £60 donation and 3 points.......
If it was a 747 you were sitting in, waiting to clear an active runway and the pilot decided to go 'a shade' earlier and you were in the firing line for the incoming 747 who decided to chance it by 'running the red' in his direction, what would you like to happen???
I accept your (valid) points Broocie.. But I'm sure the amber light was off and I'm still 99.9% confident I went on green.
The guy in the inside lane took off quicker than me, and was ahead of me when the camera flashed, lets hope it got him instead!
I guess that if the photo shows it was the other driver crossing the line on amber then it will be him who gets the ticket, however if it shows you both accross the line on amber then you will both be getting one. As for being unfamiliar with the area i dont think that will stand up in court because as far as i am aware all traffic lights in the country work on the same princible if i'm not wrong :-/
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Going over reds can be very easy
4 lanes 1 left 2 centre 1 right, all with own lights
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|.| is a lane
[::] is a pair of traffic lights the two outer do the outer the two inner do the main route.
1 red blown saw the green and went - noticed after I went, a red repeater.
And I know this messy junction, so it can be easy to be caught out
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Anyone know how long it takes for a ticket to arrive after you've been flashed? and when its safe to assume you are ok..?
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approx 14 days
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I was under the impression that traffic light cameras only flashed once...
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This site http://www.pepipoo.com/ explains everything you need to know about Speed and Traffic light cameras.
If you have not had a NIP (Notice of Intended Prosecution) within 14 days you will be OK.
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Does that include mobile cameras, talicans etc too?
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happened to me 2 yrs ago. was on the A580 at mosley common. set of a little bit early. got 3 points and 60 fine plus now got a TS on my licence. insurance company loves that 1 >:(
just for your info Kris or anyone else,that uses the East lancashire road there's new traffic light cameras on the lancs at Walkden road Moorside road and Worsley road and the bottom of Eccles road, east and south bound :y :y
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Does that include mobile cameras, talicans etc too?
yep. 14 days from said violation.
It needs to be 3 weeks to be safe
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cool - so I'm safe from the talivan I passed in Tadley doing 35 in April then.. maybe he was on his tea break.
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happened to me 2 yrs ago. was on the A580 at mosley common. set of a little bit early. got 3 points and 60 fine plus now got a TS on my licence. insurance company loves that 1 >:(
just for your info Kris or anyone else,that uses the East lancashire road there's new traffic light cameras on the lancs at Walkden road Moorside road and Worsley road and the bottom of Eccles road, east and south bound :y :y
they also speed cameras now aswell as signal cameras. notice the white lines across the junction. so watch your speed goin thru.
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happened to me 2 yrs ago. was on the A580 at mosley common. set of a little bit early. got 3 points and 60 fine plus now got a TS on my licence. insurance company loves that 1 >:(
just for your info Kris or anyone else,that uses the East lancashire road there's new traffic light cameras on the lancs at Walkden road Moorside road and Worsley road and the bottom of Eccles road, east and south bound :y :y
they also speed cameras now aswell as signal cameras. notice the white lines across the junction. so watch your speed goin thru.
OOPS......
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I'm sure the amber light was off and I'm still 99.9% confident I went on green.
nothing to worry about then - the picture will show it.
If you were in the wrong, and you get fined/points, then thats fair. If you weren't, and the photo evidence shows that, then you'll be in the clear :)
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Makes me laugh, we all make mistakes and we know these rather speed cameras are about, but, when we get flashed we all scream and shout, its our fault that they flash, we are speeding or jumping lights, not the camera.
I know there are arguments about the rights and wrongs of them but, do the crime, expect the fine...simple.
I know James thinks he may or may not have crossed the line, lets hope it was the other bloke who got flashed, its not very often these pieces of equipment get it wrong.
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the thing is with these machines doing the job of trained traffic officers is that if someone moved of slightly early without actually causing any danger to others a traffic cop may well pull them over and make them feel like a naughty schoolboy and then send them on their way (lesson learnt) whereas the increasing problem of outlaws with false plates/no tax/insurance/mot/dangerous faults etc is not solvable by the machine but a good traffic cop can smell them from a mile away :(
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the thing is with these machines doing the job of trained traffic officers is that if someone moved of slightly early without actually causing any danger to others a traffic cop may well pull them over and make them feel like a naughty schoolboy and then send them on their way (lesson learnt) whereas the increasing problem of outlaws with false plates/no tax/insurance/mot/dangerous faults etc is not solvable by the machine but a good traffic cop can smell them from a mile away :(
Thats as maybe, but the law has to be pretty black and white. If someone is punished for breaking the rules, that (in my book) is fair...
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the thing is with these machines doing the job of trained traffic officers is that if someone moved of slightly early without actually causing any danger to others a traffic cop may well pull them over and make them feel like a naughty schoolboy and then send them on their way (lesson learnt) whereas the increasing problem of outlaws with false plates/no tax/insurance/mot/dangerous faults etc is not solvable by the machine but a good traffic cop can smell them from a mile away :(
Problem is, lessons are not learnt, a fine and 3 points hammers it home.......keep doing it and the licence goes, you can tick someone off many times without any notice being taken.
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i agree with you to a point tb apart from anything else we should include observation of cameras in our everyday driving routine nowadays,i just think that the roads would actually be safer and the motoring population feel less persecuted if we went back to the days of a trained cop being able to use his judgement and experience rather than a machine which has no leeway at all but still cant catch most of the really dangerous idiots on the roads.