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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JiMbOb789 on 25 February 2008, 19:07:52
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Then buy this :
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This is the best pre facelift in my life!
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Then buy this :
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200809304470129&distance=162&postcode=bs34+5pn&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=
This is the best pre facelift in my life!
Jeez what a Fantastic looking car, shame about the Manual 5 speed though, i would prefer an Automatic :y :y
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Very nice, one of the best examples I've seen. Bit pricey though!
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Then buy this :
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200809304470129&distance=162&postcode=bs34+5pn&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=
This is the best pre facelift in my life!
Jeez what a Fantastic looking car, shame about the Manual 5 speed though, i would prefer an Automatic :y :y
You'll get one for about a third of that price then... automatics are ten a penny, and it would probably just about be due a gearbox replacement at 60,000 miles ;)
Oh and you might as well get an Elite if you want automatic, not much point in sports suspension really.
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tis 1 hell of a tidy motor. would be very tempted if i didnt already ave 1
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Assuming the mileage is genuine - doubt it on a 10yr old mile cruncher - that is still overpriced. Book price is around £1k
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Then buy this :
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200809304470129&distance=162&postcode=bs34+5pn&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=
This is the best pre facelift in my life!
Jeez what a Fantastic looking car, shame about the Manual 5 speed though, i would prefer an Automatic :y :y
You'll get one for about a third of that price then... automatics are ten a penny, and it would probably just about be due a gearbox replacement at 60,000 miles ;)
Oh and you might as well get an Elite if you want automatic, not much point in sports suspension really.
Yes an Elite would be best, i am not interested in Sports suspension
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Then buy this :
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200809304470129&distance=162&postcode=bs34+5pn&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=
This is the best pre facelift in my life!
Jeez what a Fantastic looking car, shame about the Manual 5 speed though, i would prefer an Automatic :y :y
You'll get one for about a third of that price then... automatics are ten a penny, and it would probably just about be due a gearbox replacement at 60,000 miles ;)
Oh and you might as well get an Elite if you want automatic, not much point in sports suspension really.
Yes an Elite would be best, i am not interested in Sports suspension, costing me too much for hair restore cream at the moment
How long do you have to use that for anyway ::)
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Thats car as nothing more that my 1998 R Reg Black MV6 and I only payed £711 on ebay,
And I got my mine with full irmscher bodykit and since owning it I've fitted irmscher suspension and irmscher carbon steering wheel and carbon door handle inserts
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Then buy this :
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200809304470129&distance=162&postcode=bs34+5pn&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=
This is the best pre facelift in my life!
Jeez what a Fantastic looking car, shame about the Manual 5 speed though, i would prefer an Automatic :y :y
You'll get one for about a third of that price then... automatics are ten a penny, and it would probably just about be due a gearbox replacement at 60,000 miles ;)
Oh and you might as well get an Elite if you want automatic, not much point in sports suspension really.
Yes an Elite would be best, i am not interested in Sports suspension, costing me too much for hair restore cream at the moment
How long do you have to use that for anyway ::)
Well the doctor told me that if i give him 1500 pound he would help me with my Problem, and gave me a tin of this cream stuff, i just hope its not the same stuff as you had :y :y :y
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that is a very sweet motor if a little over priced !! :y
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Thats car as nothing more that my 1998 R Reg Black MV6 and I only payed £711 on ebay,
And I got my mine with full irmscher bodykit and since owning it I've fitted irmscher suspension and irmscher carbon steering wheel and carbon door handle inserts
Wow looks like your the man Jim :y :y :y :y
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Thats car as nothing more that my 1998 R Reg Black MV6 and I only payed £711 on ebay,
And I got my mine with full irmscher bodykit and since owning it I've fitted irmscher suspension and irmscher carbon steering wheel and carbon door handle inserts
Wow looks like your the man Jim :y :y :y :y
Cheers Mate :y
[size=16]This is my 1996 Irmscher Omega 3.0 V6 Elite, full irmscher bodykit & suspension, irmscher wood steering wheel and door handle inserts[/size]
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_205_full.jpg)
[size=16]And my £711 ebay black MV6 also with full irmscher bodykit[/size]
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/275000-275999/275300_277_full.jpg)
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A very nice looking PFL those strips really improve it :y
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tell you what Jim your cars definitely float my boat 8-) 8-)
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Thats car as nothing more that my 1998 R Reg Black MV6 and I only payed £711 on ebay,
And I got my mine with full irmscher bodykit and since owning it I've fitted irmscher suspension and irmscher carbon steering wheel and carbon door handle inserts
It has a real gearbox though, which makes it worth at least four times as much in my book :P
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Thats car as nothing more that my 1998 R Reg Black MV6 and I only payed £711 on ebay,
And I got my mine with full irmscher bodykit and since owning it I've fitted irmscher suspension and irmscher carbon steering wheel and carbon door handle inserts
It has a real gearbox though, which makes it worth at least four times as much in my book :P
Whatever :P
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lovely looking car, i would love that.......
The pudding stirrer in the centre console and third pedal would put me off though.
Too much like hard work ;)
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lovely looking car, i would love that.......
The pudding stirrer in the centre console and third pedal would put me off though.
Too much like hard work ;)
:D :D :D
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lovely looking car, i would love that.......
The pudding stirrer in the centre console and third pedal would put me off though.
Too much like hard work ;)
lazy caravan tow-ers ;D
i love my elite but wish it was manual - so hard to control power slides when it kicks down mid corner ;D ;D ;D
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Just lack of experience, override the gears. :D :D :D
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Just lack of experience, override the gears. :D :D :D
i was kidding ;)
don't like to put it anywhere but drive - it's on it's 3rd box (2nd since i've had it) :-/
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Just lack of experience, override the gears. :D :D :D
i was kidding ;)
don't like to put it anywhere but drive - it's on it's 3rd box (2nd since i've had it) :-/
That seems a lot of gearboxes, we have a Galant 2.5 Auto 135000 miles, a flying machine and the gearbox is fine. :o :o :o
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Just lack of experience, override the gears. :D :D :D
i was kidding ;)
don't like to put it anywhere but drive - it's on it's 3rd box (2nd since i've had it) :-/
Nah .. select 2nd / sports mode ... just leave it there ... FUN TIME :)
(and if feeling brave, turn off the TC as well :y :y :y :) )
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lovely looking car, i would love that.......
The pudding stirrer in the centre console and third pedal would put me off though.
Too much like hard work ;)
lazy caravan tow-ers ;D
i love my elite but wish it was manual - so hard to control power slides when it kicks down mid corner ;D ;D ;D
In a nutshell, thats why the late version 3.2 is only available in manual form in police spec to satisfy the original Home Office requirement specifications.....
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lovely looking car, i would love that.......
The pudding stirrer in the centre console and third pedal would put me off though.
Too much like hard work ;)
lazy caravan tow-ers ;D
i love my elite but wish it was manual - so hard to control power slides when it kicks down mid corner ;D ;D ;D
In a nutshell, thats why the late version 3.2 is only available in manual form in police spec to satisfy the original Home Office requirement specifications.....
is there a police spec brake pad for the omega do you know Bruce
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.....is there a police spec brake pad for the omega do you know Bruce
I'd imagine they're bog standard pads. There's always loads of plod cars in my local dealers having the service sheet ticked off being serviced.
Apparently the 3.2 Vectras can get through DMF flywheels for fun.
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.....is there a police spec brake pad for the omega do you know Bruce
I'd imagine they're bog standard pads. There's always loads of plod cars in my local dealers having the service sheet ticked off being serviced.
Apparently the 3.2 Vectras can get through DMF flywheels for fun.
one of the lads of another sight wasnt impressed with the way his car ate dmf(s) iirc 3 in 12 months but vx wouldn't admit there was a design
problem still changed under warranty tho
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Then buy this :
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200809304470129&distance=162&postcode=bs34+5pn&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=
This is the best pre facelift in my life!
Jeez what a Fantastic looking car, shame about the Manual 5 speed though, i would prefer an Automatic :y :y
Purely pesonal but I feel MV6 are best with manuals, auto's for the the elites!
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Then buy this :
http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+OMEGA/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294966436-4294966969/advert.action?R=200809304470129&distance=162&postcode=bs34+5pn&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=OMEGA&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=
This is the best pre facelift in my life!
Jeez what a Fantastic looking car, shame about the Manual 5 speed though, i would prefer an Automatic :y :y
Purely pesonal but I feel MV6 are best with manuals, auto's for the the elites!
i'll settle for any v6 hindsight's a pita lol
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Just lack of experience, override the gears. :D :D :D
i was kidding ;)
don't like to put it anywhere but drive - it's on it's 3rd box (2nd since i've had it) :-/
Nah .. select 2nd / sports mode ... just leave it there ... FUN TIME :)
(and if feeling brave, turn off the TC as well :y :y :y :) )
it's never turned on ;)
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Turn off the torque converter so it doesn't feel like your propshaft is made of rubber? Oh I forgot, you can't! Best leave the drifting to those of us with real gearboxes then ;)
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Turn off the torque converter so it doesn't feel like your propshaft is made of rubber? Oh I forgot, you can't! Best leave the drifting to those of us with real gearboxes then ;)
dont need mamual to drift matey !!!! :y :y
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Turn off the torque converter so it doesn't feel like your propshaft is made of rubber? Oh I forgot, you can't! Best leave the drifting to those of us with real gearboxes then ;)
dont need mamual to drift matey !!!! :y :y
i will go along with that :y :y
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can some one explain why its a special edition i thought an MV6 was a production model :-/
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can some one explain why its a special edition i thought an MV6 was a production model :-/
because it has nearly all the options plus the complete irmscher bodykit which was mega bucks at the time !! :y
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can some one explain why its a special edition i thought an MV6 was a production model :-/
because it has nearly all the options plus the complete irmscher bodykit which was mega bucks at the time !! :y
now i understand
cheers Mark :y
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Turn off the torque converter so it doesn't feel like your propshaft is made of rubber? Oh I forgot, you can't! Best leave the drifting to those of us with real gearboxes then ;)
dont need mamual to drift matey !!!! :y :y
No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
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No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
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Love the smilies, can you put some on the overhead camshaft thread. ;D ;D ;D
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Love the smilies, can you put some on the overhead camshaft thread. ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
I looked for some terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tireding smilies but couldn't find any! ;D :y :y
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Turn off the torque converter so it doesn't feel like your propshaft is made of rubber? Oh I forgot, you can't! Best leave the drifting to those of us with real gearboxes then ;)
dont need mamual to drift matey !!!! :y :y
No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
Most odd .. never seen rubber inside a torque converter ..... :)
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter2.htm
:)
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No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
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Can we take a hint, (Any B's post) the auto over manual will never agree, mainly cos most manual drivers do not know how to use an auto box. No Daf's = no rubber bands. ;D ;D ;D
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No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
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Been driving that auto again? It does that to you I guess :-X
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Turn off the torque converter so it doesn't feel like your propshaft is made of rubber? Oh I forgot, you can't! Best leave the drifting to those of us with real gearboxes then ;)
dont need mamual to drift matey !!!! :y :y
No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
Most odd .. never seen rubber inside a torque converter ..... :)
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter2.htm
:)
I do know how they work... the rubber band thing is an analogy
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy
Oh and it would probably be better if it was actually rubber, you would get less slippage (and as such slack between accelerate and decelerate points) than you do with viscous fluid!
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No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
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Can we take a hint, (Any B's post) the auto over manual will never agree, mainly cos most manual drivers do not know how to use an auto box. No Daf's = no rubber bands. ;D ;D ;D
Yes, first you curse and swear at it. Then drive it to your trustworthy garage, get it up on the ramp, remove the damn thing, throw it in the nearest skip, and fit a manual. Worked for my mate, and his Omega is 100x better for it :P
Most drivers have no desire to use an auto box. Those who are concerned with getting from A to B with as little effort and input as possible may be a different matter, but I wouldn't really call them "drivers". :P
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You have not driven my Galant Auto, 3rd gear there is no Omega Manual that will touch it. Drifting is playing, I used to do that with early Fords, nothing new, it's A to B on country roads that counts. It's the driver not the gearbox. ;D
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horses for courses, when it comes down to it
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You have not driven my Galant Auto, 3rd gear there is no Omega Manual that will touch it. Drifting is playing, I used to do that with early Fords, nothing new, it's A to B on country roads that counts. It's the driver not the gearbox. ;D
Only because the Omega, even in 3.0 manual form, is underpowered -- something I've said many times on this forum.
The reality is, same car with a competent driver, the manual gearbox will allow you to be quicker on that country road simply because it gives more control so you can push harder. It's the car and the driver -- do you think Lewis Hamilton would win any grands prix if his car had a torque converter fitted while everyone else's was standard? The answer is no, because no matter how good the driver you can't change the slowing in reaction time between the throttle and rear wheels caused by torque converter slip, so you lose that fine adjustability that the best drivers are so good at doing within milliseconds.
I'm not saying you can't be fast in an auto -- put a big enough engine in with a decent driver and almost anything will be fast. But with a manual and all else equal it will be quicker round the twisties, and more importantly for road driving, a lot more fun :y
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You have not driven my Galant Auto, 3rd gear there is no Omega Manual that will touch it. Drifting is playing, I used to do that with early Fords, nothing new, it's A to B on country roads that counts. It's the driver not the gearbox. ;D
Only because the Omega, even in 3.0 manual form, is underpowered -- something I've said many times on this forum.
The reality is, same car with a competent driver, the manual gearbox will allow you to be quicker on that country road simply because it gives more control so you can push harder. It's the car and the driver -- do you think Lewis Hamilton would win any grands prix if his car had a torque converter fitted while everyone else's was standard? The answer is no, because no matter how good the driver you can't change the slowing in reaction time between the throttle and rear wheels caused by torque converter slip, so you lose that fine adjustability that the best drivers are so good at doing within milliseconds.
I'm not saying you can't be fast in an auto -- put a big enough engine in with a decent driver and almost anything will be fast. But with a manual and all else equal it will be quicker round the twisties, and more importantly for road driving, a lot more fun :y
You're beginning to get f***ing boring now Paul! ::) ::)
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You have not driven my Galant Auto, 3rd gear there is no Omega Manual that will touch it. Drifting is playing, I used to do that with early Fords, nothing new, it's A to B on country roads that counts. It's the driver not the gearbox. ;D
Only because the Omega, even in 3.0 manual form, is underpowered -- something I've said many times on this forum.
The reality is, same car with a competent driver, the manual gearbox will allow you to be quicker on that country road simply because it gives more control so you can push harder. It's the car and the driver -- do you think Lewis Hamilton would win any grands prix if his car had a torque converter fitted while everyone else's was standard? The answer is no, because no matter how good the driver you can't change the slowing in reaction time between the throttle and rear wheels caused by torque converter slip, so you lose that fine adjustability that the best drivers are so good at doing within milliseconds.
I'm not saying you can't be fast in an auto -- put a big enough engine in with a decent driver and almost anything will be fast. But with a manual and all else equal it will be quicker round the twisties, and more importantly for road driving, a lot more fun :y
You're beginning to get f***ing boring now Paul! ::) ::)
Nobody's forcing you to read the threads.... can't have much exciting going on if you keep coming back for more boring installments :P
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......... can't have much exciting going on if you keep coming back for more boring installments :P
There's not. :( I'm at work, but you're boring everyone now! A lot of us have had our licence as long if not longer than you've been around, and even though we choose an auto can actually drive a manual if we so choose to - I drive a manual heap everyday to work & at no time do I feel in more control etc driver involvement etc seeing down the road to change down by itself terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired (what have I missed out?) terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired than I would when I'm driving my Omega complete with its auto g'box. But then I'm only repeating what loads of us have said in the past.
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No, but to do it properly with full control you do! A big ass rubber band between the throttle and rear wheels is hardly going to be beneficial to controlling the amount of slip.
Torque converters == evil :y
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Can we take a hint, (Any B's post) the auto over manual will never agree, mainly cos most manual drivers do not know how to use an auto box. No Daf's = no rubber bands. ;D ;D ;D
Yes, first you curse and swear at it. Then drive it to your trustworthy garage, get it up on the ramp, remove the damn thing, throw it in the nearest skip, and fit a manual. Worked for my mate, and his Omega is 100x better for it :P
Most drivers have no desire to use an auto box. Those who are concerned with getting from A to B with as little effort and input as possible may be a different matter, but I wouldn't really call them "drivers". :P
I disagree with on both parts here
I have a need and a desire for an Auto, i drive high mileage and quite frequently get caught in traffic jams, i find that constantly faffing around with the clutch is a PITA and i have also found that i get more stressed as a result of the contant clutch action.
Auto offers a level of convienence that a manual cant do within this situation, to say that auto drivers are not 'drivers' is wrong, i consider myself to be a driver, i drive within the limits of the car and adapt to them as well, my Omega gets driven as hard as my Alfa GTV which is a manual. I can have as much control of both of them as well (not at the same time).
Both transmissions have their pros and cons, and i don't believe that something like SMG, DSG, SSG, sequential boxes will be the ideal compromise.
Lets not let this get to the point where we are digging trenches and trading heated views, having a passionate view on something is great, listening to a different point of view and acknowledging it allows everyone to see things from a different prospective :y
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The reality is, same car with a competent driver, the manual gearbox will allow you to be quicker on that country road simply because it gives more control so you can push harder. It's the car and the driver -- do you think Lewis Hamilton would win any grands prix if his car had a torque converter fitted while everyone else's was standard? The answer is no, because no matter how good the driver you can't change the slowing in reaction time between the throttle and rear wheels caused by torque converter slip, so you lose that fine adjustability that the best drivers are so good at doing within milliseconds.
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totaly agree - and to be honest you don't even to be that good a driver, you'd be amazed at how fast a human reactions are in simple driving situations - what Paul is trying to point out is if you put an unknown (ie Torque converter) into the equation you cannot have the same level of control it's simple ;D
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I've read all this, a little late but i've read it none the less. As most of you will know i'm no stranger to putting my foot in it, i don't sit on the fence but will hold my hands up if proved wrong. I think the manual/auto debate will rage forever & is 95% down to personal taste.
Personally i prefer dancing on 3 pedals for spirited driving & the buzz that goes with it. For pure self indulgence i can rag mine from a standstill & enjoy the wheelspin/back end skipping a little when changing from first to second in a straight line on a dry road & it's only a 2.5, so the 3.0 must be a scream.
I have however owned & enjoyed the advantages of a few autos over the years & understand how to use the box "manually"over relying on drive, sports mode & kickdown.
I'm 44 yrs. young, learned to drive in a Ford Thames van with a 3 speed colunm change @ 10 yrs old, operated all sorts of plant/forklift, ex banger racer/ non contact oval racer & now drive an artic so i can see all sides to this argument.
I still believe if the STIG took a manual then an auto MV6 for a lap each the manual would have the edge.
However sometimes at the end of a long day or embarking on a long journey i wish i was in an auto. I like the characteristics, the jump off the line, dropping it down one or two if you need more than kickdown will give & 10 times easier in traffic.
To sum up, when i bought my Mig i only had a grand to spend (no more finance!) & would still have bought it if it was auto & would love it as much as i do. Sorry to ramble on (Led Zep) but at least i'm not ranting!!!!! :y
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The reality is, same car with a competent driver, the manual gearbox will allow you to be quicker on that country road simply because it gives more control so you can push harder. It's the car and the driver -- do you think Lewis Hamilton would win any grands prix if his car had a torque converter fitted while everyone else's was standard? The answer is no, because no matter how good the driver you can't change the slowing in reaction time between the throttle and rear wheels caused by torque converter slip, so you lose that fine adjustability that the best drivers are so good at doing within milliseconds.
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totaly agree - and to be honest you don't even to be that good a driver, you'd be amazed at how fast a human reactions are in simple driving situations - what Paul is trying to point out is if you put an unknown (ie Torque converter) into the equation you cannot have the same level of control it's simple ;D
sorry i disagree........
A torque convertor is a known quantity, if you drive a car long enough you will get a feel for the way it acts/reacts to your input.
if i want to blat it through he lanes i will then start selecting gears rather than letting the car do it for me, if i want engine braking i can do the same or simpler still use the sport button.
Paul feel passionately about manuals i sit on the fence having owned enough of each to understand the benefits of both.
There isn't much that you can do with an manual that cant be done with an Auto, as Amigov6 has said a lot of this is personal taste, and Paul feels passionately for manuals.
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I have however owned & enjoyed the advantages of a few autos over the years & understand how to use the box "manually"over relying on drive, sports mode & kickdown.
How do you use an AR35 "manually"? i know what you mean as i used to have a Mk2 Golf driver with an auto a few years ago and you really could drive it like a clutchless manual, but our gearbox when placed in 1,2 or 3 will only not change above that gear ie can still change down???
Ps i spend most of my driving day sat in traffic and i love my auto :y but every now and again i wish i'd hung on to find a manual MV6 :-/
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I have however owned & enjoyed the advantages of a few autos over the years & understand how to use the box "manually"over relying on drive, sports mode & kickdown.
How do you use an AR35 "manually"? i know what you mean as i used to have a Mk2 Golf driver with an auto a few years ago and you really could drive it like a clutchless manual, but our gearbox when placed in 1,2 or 3 will only not change above that gear ie can still change down???
Ps i spend most of my driving day sat in traffic and i love my auto :y but every now and again i wish i'd hung on to find a manual MV6 :-/
The 1,2,3 D can be used like a gear lever as in a manual. First gear hold, second gear hold, etc..... It manually limits the mox to that gear, hence preventing change up mid bend and unsettling the car...
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I have however owned & enjoyed the advantages of a few autos over the years & understand how to use the box "manually"over relying on drive, sports mode & kickdown.
How do you use an AR35 "manually"? i know what you mean as i used to have a Mk2 Golf driver with an auto a few years ago and you really could drive it like a clutchless manual, but our gearbox when placed in 1,2 or 3 will only not change above that gear ie can still change down???
Ps i spend most of my driving day sat in traffic and i love my auto :y but every now and again i wish i'd hung on to find a manual MV6 :-/
The 1,2,3 D can be used like a gear lever as in a manual. First gear hold, second gear hold, etc..... It manually limits the mox to that gear, hence preventing change up mid bend and unsettling the car...
must have been what i did on the 'dub, been a few years! - i think the mega has quite a large 'back throw' if you know what i mean it seems a bit cack handed or it could be me :D
cheers :y
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My daily car is a Citroen, I drive b roads to work and spend the day running round the town. Not sure what it is called but basically it is an Auto, but has no ‘park’ position. It has a ‘M’ position, put the 4 inch gear leaver into ‘M’ and use the paddle gears as a clutch less manual. I have tried this for some spirited driving but as my car, Citroen C4 Grande Picasso 7 str does not really do ‘spirited’ I just use Auto.
I first got into Auto’s doing part time Mini cab driving in Hertfordshire, a clutch is a pain when living in heavy traffic.
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My daily car is a Citroen, I drive b roads to work and spend the day running round the town. Not sure what it is called but basically it is an Auto, but has no ‘park’ position. It has a ‘M’ position, put the 4 inch gear leaver into ‘M’ and use the paddle gears as a clutch less manual. I have tried this for some spirited driving but as my car, Citroen C4 Grande Picasso 7 str does not really do ‘spirited’ I just use Auto.
I first got into Auto’s doing part time Mini cab driving in Hertfordshire, a clutch is a pain when living in heavy traffic.
i know at least 10 former drivers with problems with their left leg which
all of them blame on using the clutch. Are the two connected ? The Doctors seem to think so, cant remember the name for it but its a similar complaint to tennis elbow
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My daily car is a Citroen, I drive b roads to work and spend the day running round the town. Not sure what it is called but basically it is an Auto, but has no ‘park’ position. It has a ‘M’ position, put the 4 inch gear leaver into ‘M’ and use the paddle gears as a clutch less manual. I have tried this for some spirited driving but as my car, Citroen C4 Grande Picasso 7 str does not really do ‘spirited’ I just use Auto.
I first got into Auto’s doing part time Mini cab driving in Hertfordshire, a clutch is a pain when living in heavy traffic.
i know at least 10 former drivers with problems with their left leg which
all of them blame on using the clutch. Are the two connected ? The Doctors seem to think so, cant remember the name for it but its a similar complaint to tennis elbow
clutch knee !! ;D ;D ;D
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clutch knee !! ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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clutch knee !! ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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similarly though i don't know what to do with my left hand especially now i've given up the smokes, any suggestions :-/
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clutch knee !! ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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similarly though i don't know what to do with my left hand especially now i've given up the smokes, any suggestions :-/
pick yer nose :D :D