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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: TheBoy on 12 October 2011, 20:10:12
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I thought I had issues with Sony... ...but this (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit) arrived in my mailbox this morning...
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never had any issues with sony lol and i have loads of sony products. you can find fault or issues with most comapanys
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never had any issues with sony lol and i have loads of sony products. you can find fault or issues with most comapanys
Post millenium Sony shite isn't allowed in this house >:(
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haha why not? did something harm you
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I thought I had issues with Sony... ...but this (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit) arrived in my mailbox this morning...
Read some of Maddox's other pages and you'll realise he rants like that about everything ;) (and he's been doing it forever, it seems)
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;D ;D ;D Splendid - as a matter of interest I worked with a bloke who loved lying under glass-topped coffee tables. :-X
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That's genius :D :D :D
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haha why not? did something harm you
I am a Fony Fanboy who woke up to the fact that they had succombe to corporate greed, and were flogging poor quality shite at premium prices, and weren't prepared to admit, let alone fix, design flaws, aka cost cutting measures. And then I realised the contempt they had for their gullible followers.
Retailers who replaced a certain percentage of items under warranty, as is the laws of this country, lost their contracts with Fony, thus scaring others into never replacing anything. They even managed to scare the likes of John Lewis into not replacing faulty items, into only offering a repair instead.
All their consumer stuff, even now, is poor quality, priced to make out its good quality.
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
Whilst people are blinded/blinkered/stupid enough to buy their sub standard shite, they will continue to screw their customers in the name of the current wankword, "Growth".
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never bought any fony stuff never will
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never bought any fony stuff never will
Good man :y
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never bought any fony stuff never will
Ohhh i bet you have. It just was not badged Sony ;)
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never bought any fony stuff never will
Ohhh i bet you have. It just was not badged Sony ;)
ok never knowingly bought fony and never will ;D
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Had issues with all my Sony stuff. Amp had dry joints and was fixed, ps3 lost it's wifi. Not aware of any other fony shite in the house.
I do like my Amp though. And the ps3... Even if it's only ever used fo blu ray films.
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I thought I had issues with Sony... ...but this (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit) arrived in my mailbox this morning...
That just about sums it up, I think. Nope. Can't think of anything to add. ;D
I haven't owned much Phony stuff, but, of the items I have:
Car head unit purchased mid 90's: Utter bilge. LCD display breaked up in the first couple of weeks. Response when returned under warranty: "You've dropped this". >:( I hadn't even taken the removable front panel off the head unit. The vile beeping every time I got out of the car eventually sealed its' destiny: one last meeting with Sammy. :D
TV purchased late 90's: Went bang after a couple of weeks, repaired locally under warranty. Repairer said "they all do this, it's a sh1te design, so we upgrade a few parts and it's reliable from then on". Sure enough, it was, until replaced earlier this year. Not a bad TV, a few irritating features, but, FFS, it only has to sit there and display a picture.
Sony VAIO: My boss has had a stream of these, and I have got the hand-me-downs on occasions. I don't know why. He should have been thoroughly put off buying them by now. Perhaps he's a Sony fanboy. Generally, poor thermal design means they just die without warning. Why not buy any other brand of Laptop and perhaps get a proper SD card slot instead of one of those overpriced Sony proprietary "memory stick" slots (as in "I know where they can "stick" that").
Oh, and a little portable FM radio mid 90's. It's pretty difficult to make an @rse of a job of designing something so simple, but they managed to put a stupidly bright power LED on the front for no apparent reason. It's on all the time, not just when the power is on. It's so bright it stops me sleeping. Fortunately a little strip of black insulating tape fixed that. :y
So, would I buy anything else from them? Nope.
Shame really, because their products from before they disappeared up their own jacksie were rather good IMHO (original walkman, and around that era).
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Oh, and I forgot the CD rootkit issue. That just showed such total contempt for the sheep they call customers that it should have been a big red flashing signal to all that they can't be trusted. Rip that Sony CD and don't touch it again!
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Had issues with all my Sony stuff. Amp had dry joints and was fixed, ps3 lost it's wifi. Not aware of any other fony shite in the house.
I do like my Amp though. And the ps3... Even if it's only ever used fo blu ray films.
I do have a Fony amp - its pre millenium, so when they still made reasonable consumer stuff. Can't think of another piece of Fony equipment in the house - not even PC CD drives etc ;)
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I thought I had issues with Sony... ...but this (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit) arrived in my mailbox this morning...
That just about sums it up, I think. Nope. Can't think of anything to add. ;D
I haven't owned much Phony stuff, but, of the items I have:
Car head unit purchased mid 90's: Utter bilge. LCD display breaked up in the first couple of weeks. Response when returned under warranty: "You've dropped this". >:( I hadn't even taken the removable front panel off the head unit. The vile beeping every time I got out of the car eventually sealed its' destiny: one last meeting with Sammy. :D
TV purchased late 90's: Went bang after a couple of weeks, repaired locally under warranty. Repairer said "they all do this, it's a sh1te design, so we upgrade a few parts and it's reliable from then on". Sure enough, it was, until replaced earlier this year. Not a bad TV, a few irritating features, but, FFS, it only has to sit there and display a picture.
Sony VAIO: My boss has had a stream of these, and I have got the hand-me-downs on occasions. I don't know why. He should have been thoroughly put off buying them by now. Perhaps he's a Sony fanboy. Generally, poor thermal design means they just die without warning. Why not buy any other brand of Laptop and perhaps get a proper SD card slot instead of one of those overpriced Sony proprietary "memory stick" slots (as in "I know where they can "stick" that").
Oh, and a little portable FM radio mid 90's. It's pretty difficult to make an @rse of a job of designing something so simple, but they managed to put a stupidly bright power LED on the front for no apparent reason. It's on all the time, not just when the power is on. It's so bright it stops me sleeping. Fortunately a little strip of black insulating tape fixed that. :y
So, would I buy anything else from them? Nope.
Shame really, because their products from before they disappeared up their own jacksie were rather good IMHO (original walkman, and around that era).
I bought one of their clock radios in the late nineties (my old one lost an arguement with my fist ::)), chose the expensive Sony one because I was a Sony Fanboy. Used it for one night - it was LCD with backlight. The backlight was so bright, it lit up the room like daylight.
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Car head unit purchased mid 90's: Utter bilge. LCD display breaked up in the first couple of weeks. Response when returned under warranty: "You've dropped this". >:( I hadn't even taken the removable front panel off the head unit. The vile beeping every time I got out of the car eventually sealed its' destiny: one last meeting with Sammy. :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=Yre_f-c9VY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=Yre_f-c9VY4)
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Car head unit purchased mid 90's: Utter bilge. LCD display breaked up in the first couple of weeks. Response when returned under warranty: "You've dropped this". >:( I hadn't even taken the removable front panel off the head unit. The vile beeping every time I got out of the car eventually sealed its' destiny: one last meeting with Sammy. :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=Yre_f-c9VY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=Yre_f-c9VY4)
That man needs a proper sammy. ::)
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
Some of there stuff is good, some poor.
Don't like their cheap stuff, their more expensive TVs are good (the W series won lots of awards quite a few on system) however not sure on the post S-LCD TVs, their (not cheap) video cameras are very good, the semi pro stuff is among the best there is, their ES stuff is good, their PMPs are good.
Viao stuff is over priced, basically Apple prices for the PC market. And their car hifi WAS good but now just cheap tat. Their music labels are full of shite, films so so, games very good.
Saw a recent Sony home cinema amp a couple of weeks ago - too light weight, bit plasticy, but then so are a lot of similar priced ones now, but they have abandoned that part of the market from being quite popular with ES receivers.
TB was caught out by a TV with a known defect, which was fixable but I cannot remember the fix.
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Oh, and I forgot the CD rootkit issue. That just showed such total contempt for the sheep they call customers that it should have been a big red flashing signal to all that they can't be trusted. Rip that Sony CD and don't touch it again!
That was BMG - the Japanese HQ were furious over it. That said all their acts are rubbish anyway.
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Had issues with all my Sony stuff. Amp had dry joints and was fixed, ps3 lost it's wifi. Not aware of any other fony shite in the house.
I do like my Amp though. And the ps3... Even if it's only ever used fo blu ray films.
I do have a Fony amp - its pre millenium, so when they still made reasonable consumer stuff. Can't think of another piece of Fony equipment in the house - not even PC CD drives etc ;)
I have all sorts of stuff, but not any real issues with Sony stuff, but then I tend to ignore stuff I know they are churning out.
DVD recorders - they bought them in - unreliable
PVRs - reboxed cheap stuff - no way would I touch. Yet they manufacture for Tvonics and the kit is better than their own branded stuff.
My 1999 AV ES receiver rather good, but their most recent one I thought was flimsy - would I buy it? No - because it is plasticy cheap crap. Do they do an equivalent to ES now - no.
DVD burners - can't go wrong with Pioneer I have 2 at the moment as I don't want to wear out the Blu Ray burner.
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
Some of there stuff is good, some poor.
Don't like their cheap stuff, their more expensive TVs are good (the W series won lots of awards quite a few on system) however not sure on the post S-LCD TVs, their (not cheap) video cameras are very good, the semi pro stuff is among the best there is, their ES stuff is good, their PMPs are good.
Viao stuff is over priced, basically Apple prices for the PC market. And their car hifi WAS good but now just cheap tat. Their music labels are full of shite, films so so, games very good.
Saw a recent Sony home cinema amp a couple of weeks ago - too light weight, bit plasticy, but then so are a lot of similar priced ones now, but they have abandoned that part of the market from being quite popular with ES receivers.
TB was caught out by a TV with a known defect, which was fixable but I cannot remember the fix.
i did have a vaio laptop that was pretty good, must of been about 2003, in the end the brackets for lid came right through and it fell off lol but i had dropped it so many times. still got a sony micro hifi mini disc player going strong, think ive even got a early mini disc player aswell lol never had any of my playstations give any trouble, couple sony digi cameras been fine and a older camcorder still going well. had a million sony erricson mobiles, my HUs were good tho but must of been 2004 or before, ones still going lol so my experience is ok i couldnt justify the extra espence on tv's and laptops now.
oh my dvd recorder sucks, its in my bedroom and if left on the led does keep me awake lol
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
Some of there stuff is good, some poor.
Don't like their cheap stuff, their more expensive TVs are good (the W series won lots of awards quite a few on system) however not sure on the post S-LCD TVs, their (not cheap) video cameras are very good, the semi pro stuff is among the best there is, their ES stuff is good, their PMPs are good.
Viao stuff is over priced, basically Apple prices for the PC market. And their car hifi WAS good but now just cheap tat. Their music labels are full of shite, films so so, games very good.
Saw a recent Sony home cinema amp a couple of weeks ago - too light weight, bit plasticy, but then so are a lot of similar priced ones now, but they have abandoned that part of the market from being quite popular with ES receivers.
TB was caught out by a TV with a known defect, which was fixable but I cannot remember the fix.
*Sigh*
Another fanboy.
The W series telly was good. Not brilliant. Just good.
The fix for my Fony telly was replacement with a different model - they all suffered, just the 100Hz ones were worse. However, Fony UK refused to do this, stating a new SCART board would fix all issues. It didn't, clearly. It was a poor design, poorly constructed with substandard parts.
Did I mention my C&G224 P3 was in TVs ::)
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Lets not forget Minolta who made pretty good cameras, until the 5M pixel CCDs (made by Sony ) started going bad after a short while, and they had to replace them under an extended warranty. Can you imagine the cost of stripping one camera, replacing the CCD, set it up and ship it back ?. Multiply by a large percentage of digital cameras sold and its no wonder they went out of business. This also affected JVC and somebody else, Nikon (?)
Ken
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Lets not forget Minolta who made pretty good cameras, until the 5M pixel CCDs (made by Sony ) started going bad after a short while, and they had to replace them under an extended warranty. Can you imagine the cost of stripping one camera, replacing the CCD, set it up and ship it back ?. Multiply by a large percentage of digital cameras sold and its no wonder they went out of business. This also affected JVC and somebody else, Nikon (?)
Ken
This was bad glue AFAIR - had a 6 Y/O video camera repaired FOC
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
Some of there stuff is good, some poor.
Don't like their cheap stuff, their more expensive TVs are good (the W series won lots of awards quite a few on system) however not sure on the post S-LCD TVs, their (not cheap) video cameras are very good, the semi pro stuff is among the best there is, their ES stuff is good, their PMPs are good.
Viao stuff is over priced, basically Apple prices for the PC market. And their car hifi WAS good but now just cheap tat. Their music labels are full of shite, films so so, games very good.
Saw a recent Sony home cinema amp a couple of weeks ago - too light weight, bit plasticy, but then so are a lot of similar priced ones now, but they have abandoned that part of the market from being quite popular with ES receivers.
TB was caught out by a TV with a known defect, which was fixable but I cannot remember the fix.
*Sigh*
Another fanboy.
The W series telly was good. Not brilliant. Just good.
The fix for my Fony telly was replacement with a different model - they all suffered, just the 100Hz ones were worse. However, Fony UK refused to do this, stating a new SCART board would fix all issues. It didn't, clearly. It was a poor design, poorly constructed with substandard parts.
Did I mention my C&G224 P3 was in TVs ::)
There was an engineered fix but not in UK, I think someone on AVF found it.
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
Some of there stuff is good, some poor.
Don't like their cheap stuff, their more expensive TVs are good (the W series won lots of awards quite a few on system) however not sure on the post S-LCD TVs, their (not cheap) video cameras are very good, the semi pro stuff is among the best there is, their ES stuff is good, their PMPs are good.
Viao stuff is over priced, basically Apple prices for the PC market. And their car hifi WAS good but now just cheap tat. Their music labels are full of shite, films so so, games very good.
Saw a recent Sony home cinema amp a couple of weeks ago - too light weight, bit plasticy, but then so are a lot of similar priced ones now, but they have abandoned that part of the market from being quite popular with ES receivers.
TB was caught out by a TV with a known defect, which was fixable but I cannot remember the fix.
*Sigh*
Another fanboy.
The W series telly was good. Not brilliant. Just good.
The fix for my Fony telly was replacement with a different model - they all suffered, just the 100Hz ones were worse. However, Fony UK refused to do this, stating a new SCART board would fix all issues. It didn't, clearly. It was a poor design, poorly constructed with substandard parts.
Did I mention my C&G224 P3 was in TVs ::)
There was an engineered fix but not in UK, I think someone on AVF found it.
The fix would be a new PSU, new defelction drivers, and possibly a new coil. That would fix the geometry changing with what the screen is displaying. The electronics around picture generation would need fixing as well, but it would be impossible to tackle this before getting a stable image, no matter what is onscreen.
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yeh even tho im a fan of sony stuff, i prob wouldnt pay there prices for a tv or laptop, i have to have a ps3 for gt5 thats the law lol
Some of there stuff is good, some poor.
Don't like their cheap stuff, their more expensive TVs are good (the W series won lots of awards quite a few on system) however not sure on the post S-LCD TVs, their (not cheap) video cameras are very good, the semi pro stuff is among the best there is, their ES stuff is good, their PMPs are good.
Viao stuff is over priced, basically Apple prices for the PC market. And their car hifi WAS good but now just cheap tat. Their music labels are full of shite, films so so, games very good.
Saw a recent Sony home cinema amp a couple of weeks ago - too light weight, bit plasticy, but then so are a lot of similar priced ones now, but they have abandoned that part of the market from being quite popular with ES receivers.
TB was caught out by a TV with a known defect, which was fixable but I cannot remember the fix.
*Sigh*
Another fanboy.
The W series telly was good. Not brilliant. Just good.
The fix for my Fony telly was replacement with a different model - they all suffered, just the 100Hz ones were worse. However, Fony UK refused to do this, stating a new SCART board would fix all issues. It didn't, clearly. It was a poor design, poorly constructed with substandard parts.
Did I mention my C&G224 P3 was in TVs ::)
There was an engineered fix but not in UK, I think someone on AVF found it.
The fix would be a new PSU, new defelction drivers, and possibly a new coil. That would fix the geometry changing with what the screen is displaying. The electronics around picture generation would need fixing as well, but it would be impossible to tackle this before getting a stable image, no matter what is onscreen.
I remember someone on AVF saying that we need a top end TV with decent PSU, a Sony Wega tube, and very good electronics. Not a Sony TV but a high end TV using their tube.
The Wega tube was fantastic but the later Wega TVs were really made down to a price, that tube in a top end TV would have been best on market.
I remember looking at a lot of the flat wide screens and the Wega was far and away the best,mine was possibly one of the last before the quality drop.
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The Wega tube was very good - although Fony made it appear even better by setting the defaults on their sets to maximum brightness and high contrast. Makes it look more vibrant in the shops, but kills the tubes quickly.
Even with the brightness down, the Wega doesn't last long before going soft. I used mine for about 3yrs before I couldn't tolerate its issues (and bear in mind it was replaced 3 times), and the tube is looking tired.
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The Wega tube was very good - although Fony made it appear even better by setting the defaults on their sets to maximum brightness and high contrast. Makes it look more vibrant in the shops, but kills the tubes quickly.
Even with the brightness down, the Wega doesn't last long before going soft. I used mine for about 3yrs before I couldn't tolerate its issues (and bear in mind it was replaced 3 times), and the tube is looking tired.
Mine was wacked right down as it was way too bright when it was set up.
Mine managed 9 years before starting to go dark at high brightness, didn't go soft though. But mine was 50Hz.
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The Wega tube was very good - although Fony made it appear even better by setting the defaults on their sets to maximum brightness and high contrast. Makes it look more vibrant in the shops, but kills the tubes quickly.
Even with the brightness down, the Wega doesn't last long before going soft. I used mine for about 3yrs before I couldn't tolerate its issues (and bear in mind it was replaced 3 times), and the tube is looking tired.
Mine was wacked right down as it was way too bright when it was set up.
Mine managed 9 years before starting to go dark at high brightness, didn't go soft though. But mine was 50Hz.
Most CRT tubes are good for around 5yrs of average use. After that, the colour definition starts to go. Many don't reconise this, as they watch their telly every day, and don't notice the degradation. My mum was still watching her B&O 20yrs later ;)
If you had 9yrs from it, I bet your replacement seemed fantastic by comparison :-X
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Ah I remember my Wega.. it lasted two weeks before all it would show was four scan lines diagonally down the screen. Called the Sony Centre I'd bought it from to be told it'd be four months for a repair with no loan TV in the mean time. I took it back, dropped it on the counter and loudly explained precisely why I'd like a refund, TYVM.
Poked off elsewhere and bought a Toshiba rear projection set that lasted 10 years and was still going strong when I gave it away to someone at work. ;D
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Lets not forget Minolta who made pretty good cameras, until the 5M pixel CCDs (made by Sony ) started going bad after a short while, and they had to replace them under an extended warranty. Can you imagine the cost of stripping one camera, replacing the CCD, set it up and ship it back ?. Multiply by a large percentage of digital cameras sold and its no wonder they went out of business. This also affected JVC and somebody else, Nikon (?)
Ken
..and the relatively recent Pentax K5 and Nikon D7000. Loads of problems with the early samples having blotches all over the sensor. Shame because it was shaping up to be a pretty cracking sensor for an APS-C. The manufacturer of the sensor? Have a guess... ::)