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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: bigpaul on 06 November 2011, 10:29:58
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Hi guys,
I put this initially with my old post but perhaps it should be listed as a new one
So 20 days after the light went out as Im driving home from work last night it comes back on.
Armed with my new found knowledge I have done the pedal test it appears to be showing 2 codes one after the other :-
0170 - fuel trim bank 1
0173 - fuel trim bank 2
ok thats all the information i have as usual i bow to your knowledge so please help
Strangest thing is if it all is really fuel and mixture related why is it not showing in how the car runs. If she was coughing choking back firing and running like a pig i could understand it but nothing. I gave her a bit of a blast on the way to work and not a thing.
help !!!!
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I am beginning to wonder if the sensors are the problem (Lambada)
It seem strange that the light went out for over 2 weeks without being re-set and then suddenly comes back on again ?
should i be investing in a reader that can reset this
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It would be nice to see what the trims are doing, and also see if the lamdas are switching properly.
Does anyone near you have access to a decent code reader with live data?
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Entwood - again ? :-\ ;D
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maybe if he catches this thread trouble is my hours are so long its getting to him i have considered a mobile dianostic but that will cost and to be honest i question their knowledge.
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Is there a common cause that would effect both fuel trim banks at the same time without effecting the general running of the car
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Did light coming on coincide with refuel or low fuel?
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initially i wondered that because i used a garage i dont usually fill up at but of course then it went off again.
Currently getting low maybe 90 miles left
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Yup .. limited Live Data is possible ... in Wootton Bassett and available for the rest of the day... I think you have my number from previous PM ??
If not today then usually Mon-Wed after about 1730 or any time the other days ..depending on what else is occuring :)
Happy to try and help whenever it suits
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thanks i really do appreciate that trouble is im working such obscene hours at the moment, even today goes with the job im afraid.
Im toying with a couple of ideas :-
1. buy myself a reader that can also re-set but on a limited budget but it will have to be acceptable to my derivative of Omega.
2. i know someone who does mobile diagnostics but will he accept the codes i give him as true without a full diagnostic and all the charges that incur
plus side he comes to my house/work
down side costs loads
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If you decide to get a code reader .. you need an OBD2/EOBD for the 2.6/3.2 versions. there are many cheap copies on e-bay .. beware they are cheap and copies and often don't work.
I have a maxscan GS500.. which is no longer made there are some very similar on this link
http://www.talktomycar.co.uk/products/codereaders/codereaders.htm
The 509 is the latest version of mine. If it is as reliable and easy to use then it's good !!
Seems a lot at £90 I know .. but a single visit to Vx is £70 + VAT... once you have this it can live in the boot and always be available, especially for the day you get the 0420/0430 codes .. it's not a case of "IF" you get those .. but "when".
There are other types available ... those that are sold as ELM232 require a laptop as well as the device, not "user friendly" IMHO.
Good luck, and if you need to plug into mine .. just phone :)
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oh far more than I have to spend.
maybe a second hand one somewhere ?
can you give me any other makes to search for that will work with my car
i take it that they just plug in somewhere
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Do you have a laptop ?? with USB sockets ? I have an ELM327-USB device that I bought before I got the maxscan. It works but is not "user friendly" IMHO .. which is why I bought the maxscan. If you have a laptop you can have the 327 it's just sitting here doing nowt. I even have some additional software somewhere .....
It will read/clear engine codes and put the light out ... but if memory serves live data was tricky/poor.
HTH
E
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thats really generous of you but no laptop :(
i use a notebook which is just as good but no disc player to load software etc
not having alot of luck am i lol
seen a few on ebay around £40 but not sure if they are compatible given mine is a very early 2.6 V6 (X plate = 2000)
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thats really generous of you but no laptop :(
i use a notebook which is just as good but no disc player to load software etc
not having alot of luck am i lol
seen a few on ebay around £40 but not sure if they are compatible given mine is a very early 2.6 V6 (X plate = 2000)
Can probably get the software on using a USB drive ... :)
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now thats for sure far to technical for me ;D
maybe a second hand one like yours from ebay.
still troubled as to whether it will work on mine.
came home at mach 9 not a glimmer of any trouble whats a man to do
my boy says bulb out or black masking tape ;D
not keen on that
have to go for tonight keep thinking for tonight
catch you all tomorrow
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If you are interested, just bring the notepad around and I'll do all the technical stuff while you sit and drink beer .. :)
Seriously, it's there if you want it and it shouldn't take more than an hour to get it all working and show you how to use it.
;) ;) ;)
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possible solution for you to take a look for me
My work out of the kindness of their hearts have given me this Sunday off and the wife is off to london to spend all my money no wonder I cant afford a reader ;D
Do you have any time available then so I can come to you be warned though my directional skills are on a parr with my mechanical skills ;D
I think it might be better if you can spare the time for you to use your reader as it may give us some clues to what the problem is.
I will be available on Sunday from 9am to about 3 pm
let me know
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possible solution for you to take a look for me
My work out of the kindness of their hearts have given me this Sunday off and the wife is off to london to spend all my money no wonder I cant afford a reader ;D
Do you have any time available then so I can come to you be warned though my directional skills are on a parr with my mechanical skills ;D
I think it might be better if you can spare the time for you to use your reader as it may give us some clues to what the problem is.
I will be available on Sunday from 9am to about 3 pm
let me know
Have checked my social diary (SWTSMBO) and we are around all day next Sunday. If you want to bring the notebook over we can see if the ELM327 will work as well as plugging my reader in.. if it does work you can take it away :)
I'll PM you directions .. but first you have to make a decision .......
Which way would you use to get to Wootton Bassett ... are you an A361/A419/M4 person or a "backroads" Blunsdon/Purton person ??? :) :) :) :) :)
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lets stick with the main roads without the wife to direct me im bound to go wrong ;D
Mind you You wont miss me I will be the fat B****** driving an omega looking lost ;D
My best time is probably around mid morning 10/11 ish if thats ok with you.
Just as an after thought i havent taken the car on a proper motorway run for maybe a year could this have any significance just something i read yesterday on here.
There was a forum of maybe 12 pages discussing the exact same fault codes i understood maybe 2% of what amyone was saying ;D
off now catch later
PM me details I will give you my mobile number
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A new MAF has cured several P0170/P0173 problems :y :y
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lets stick with the main roads without the wife to direct me im bound to go wrong ;D
Mind you You wont miss me I will be the fat B****** driving an omega looking lost ;D
My best time is probably around mid morning 10/11 ish if thats ok with you.
Just as an after thought i havent taken the car on a proper motorway run for maybe a year could this have any significance just something i read yesterday on here.
There was a forum of maybe 12 pages discussing the exact same fault codes i understood maybe 2% of what amyone was saying ;D
off now catch later
PM me details I will give you my mobile number
No problems at all with that, I've PM'd you the local directions and my phone number .. any problems just yell :)
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thanks mate have replied
loved the Sat Nav joke you really need to gewt to know me ;D
cheers for all the help
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have a Sunday situation :(
have pmd you
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Read... awaiting SWTSMBO to return from shopping .. just to find out what arrangements she has made for my life .. :) Will PM ASAP.. :)
Probably do-able ...should take less than an hour to sort .. 10 minutes with my reader, then maybe 30 minutes to try the notebook/ELM327 stuff .. it'll either work or it won't !!!!
Should have the answer within 30 minutes :)
EDIT :) :) :) (love that button!!)
PM'd you details but I'll be with you around 12:15 .. we've got friends round for dinner in the evening so she's going to be working magic in the kitchen, so I'm banned as, apparently, I just get in the way ... :) (it's taken me years of practice to reach that level of annoyance .. :) :) :) )
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thats wonderful i really appreciate that ;D
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Crossed over .. see above :)
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look forward to seeing you wife in london spending all the money i dont have ;D
as discussed priority is your diagnosis on car no real concerns with notebook so dont worry too much on that score givem my general stupidity unlikely i will be able to use it on my own anyway ;D
memory may also be suspect due to rubbish i keep on it ;D
cheers for all your help
paul
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Another PM winging its way to you Im up bright and early !!!
Not really at work yet again >:(
If I am able to understand how you use and reset with your decoder I think my plan will be to get one of those as you said originally then it can live in the boot until its needed again :)
Looking forward to meeting you today
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Right .. met up with Paul and did a few things .. firstly got the ELM327 USB thingy to talk to his notebook eventually, used it to read and clear the codes 0170, 0173 - Fuel trim malfunction on both banks. As soon as the codes were cleared it misfired badly. Switched off, restarted, ran nicely with no codes.
Plugged in my MS500, this showed 4 "pending" codes - which the ELM327 doesn't do - 0300, 0301, 0302, 0305 - all misfire codes but no misfire present at that time. Cleared them away, system clean.
Took 3 lots of limited live data Idle, 2000 rpm, 4000 rpm results here (may take more than 1 post I guess) :
Idle
Fuelsys1 CL
Fuelsys2 CL
LoadPCT(%) 2.0
ETC 83
SHRTFT1% -1.6 to 0.8 (total range about 1 second steps)
LONGFT1 3.1
SHRTFT2 -2.3 to 0.8 (1 sec steps)
LONGFT2 3.1
RPM 668
VSS 0
ADV -2 to 0 (1 sec steps)
IAT 24
MAF 2.25 to 2.50 (1 sec steps)
TP% 0.8
O2B1S1 0.075 to 0.710 (1/2 sec steps)
SHRTFTB1S1 1.6 to 3.9 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B1S2 0.720 to 0.745 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B2S1 0.110 to 0.640 (1/2 sec steps)
SHRTFTB2S1 -1.6 to 3.1 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B2S2 0.680 to 0.710 (1/2 sec steps)
The only thing that struck me was the differences in B1 / B2 of the last 6 readings ??
Other readings to follow
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2000 rpm
Fuelsys1 CL
Fuelsys2 CL
LoadPCT(%) 5.9
ETC 89
SHRTFT1% 11.7 to 13.3 (total range about 1 second steps)
LONGFT1 3.1
SHRTFT2 7.8 to 12.5 (1 sec steps)
LONGFT2 3.1
RPM 2166
VSS 0
ADV 22
IAT 27
MAF 7.25 to 7.75 (1 sec steps)
TP% 3.9
O2B1S1 0.080 to 0.735 (1/2 sec steps)
SHRTFTB1S1 10.2 to 13.3 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B1S2 0.350 to 0.635 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B2S1 0.070 to 0.735 (1/2 sec steps)
SHRTFTB2S1 7.0 to 8.6 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B2S2 0.185 to 0.215 (1/2 sec steps)
Again the only major difference is B1 / B2 on the last 6 readings
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Going just by idle, looks like lazy Lamba to me, on Bank1, Sensor2, Bank2 sensor 2 does not look like it moves much either
O2B1S2 0.720 to 0.745 (1/2 sec steps)
Yet at 2k rpm it looks more active :-\
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4000 rpm
Fuelsys1 CL
Fuelsys2 CL
LoadPCT(%) 12.0
ETC 96
SHRTFT1% 9.4 to 15.6 (total range about 1 second steps)
LONGFT1 3.1
SHRTFT2 7.00 to 12.5 (1 sec steps)
LONGFT2 3.1
RPM 3837
VSS 0
ADV 36
IAT 34
MAF 12.25
TP% 6.7
O2B1S1 0.305 to 0.735 (1/2 sec steps)
SHRTFTB1S1 10.9 to 14.1 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B1S2 0.125 to 0.635 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B2S1 0.100 to 0.705 (1/2 sec steps)
SHRTFTB2S1 10.9 to 16.4 (1/2 sec steps)
O2B2S2 0.335 to 0.585 (1/2 sec steps)
Similar results as before.although I've just noticed that there seems to be a divergence in the SHRTFT1% and SHRTFT2% at the top of the lists as well.
When I left the car was running well an sounding good, although we couldn't take it down the road due to Paul actually having to work !!! His absence might have been noticed !!
Anyone any ideas on those figures ?? I strikes me, in hindsight, that I should have done a set of figures BEFORE resetting the codes .. but 'tis too late now ...
I had a good look around and a listen, no signs of airleaks.
Over to the experts :)
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IIRC the two 'S2's should be fairly lazy and largely lean (which they are) as they're the post CAT sensors, the two 'S1's should be flipping between rich & lean often (voltages indicate they are, but a graph is the only real way of seeing it, or an excel spreadsheet of values).
The short term fuel trims look enormous to me, though - it's having to add a lot of fuel to what it thinks it should need in order to reach stoic..
Lazy MAF or a post MAF air leak (letting in unmetered air) would be my best guess..
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she appears to be running fine so far just locked up the place so moved the car but not exactly what you can call a run ;D ;D see if anything occurs on the way home
certainly no sign as of yet of the warning light re-appearing but then i guess its too early for that.
Is it worth mentioning her mis-fire after she was first started after the re-set is this usual ?
At this point I would like to say how much I appreciate your help you went out of your way to come to me and help put things right even leaving me with a decoder and clear concise idiot instructions ;D
All you got was a lousy cup of coffee, seriously it was really appreciated and great to me you
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Not a problem Paul ... :)
As a further thought .. in conversation in came out that the car usually only does a trip of about 4 miles each time ... so probably not getting fully up to temperature ... would this make a difference to Fuel Trim ??? ???
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Not a problem Paul ... :)
As a further thought .. in conversation in came out that the car usually only does a trip of about 4 miles each time ... so probably not getting fully up to temperature ... would this make a difference to Fuel Trim ??? ???
A good 150 mile or so italian tune up could sort things!
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yeah now a motorway thrash was discussed :y
is this the way forward ?
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If its only used 4 miles at a time max, I would suggest it.
Short run like that is not really long enough, I drove into office today, but only because I'm going out afterwards, 4 miles barley enough time for it to get hot.
I'd pick a route that has long motorway blast with some twisties, get that rev needle moving :y
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Also do you use supermarket fuel?
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usually fill up at Asda wool mart last couple times have been local garage
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Try a tank of BP/Shell fuel with your tune up run :y
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ok i tend to use regular cos of prices is that also a problem ?
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Given the random misfire codes and nothing more concrete I would consider throwing in a set of new spark plugs if it was my car.
The odd fuel trims might well be a symptom of poor ignition, not the cause.
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As i am stuck at work again gave the job of a little test run to my son
Covered approx 60 miles at high speed obviously with the legal limits ;)
He has just returned and reports she ran like a dream no problems at all and no sign of light as of yet. :y
I have concerns over the misfires as there has never been any indication of this other than on the reset yesterday
She started perfectly this morning from cold as always happy to try the plugs if you think this will help ?
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Misfires probably just the fuel trims being reset, the GS500 had them as "pending" codes so not even active at the time of reading. If you remember the missing occured on the reset and fanished as soon as the engine was restarted. Unless, and until, any misfire re-occurs I would not be concerned at all.
Any problems with either the car or the reader just yell
:)
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spot on your a sound guy really appreciate all your help and advice :)
Would like to hear more about NOT using supermarkets to fill up can someone clarify the reasons whys and wherefores
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Its a matter of opinion.Some people say their car runs better on expensive fuel.Others say it runs the same on any fuel. When I tried the expensive stuff there was no difference that I could tell. ;)
Afaik,the scientific/engineering view is that it will only really make a difference on very high performance engines.
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A new MAF has cured several P0170/P0173 problems :y :y
Yep that immediately sorted mine with exact codes
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The fact that both the short term fuel trims are high and increase with RPM, and the fact that it runs grumpy when you reset the fuel trims points to a lazy MAF sensor, IMHO.
This can make the Lambda sensors appear "lazy", of course. If the mixture is far enough out a good lambda sensor will stop toggling too. ;)
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can you give me some more information on the MAF and how i would go about replacing it
Is it an expensive job ?
My technical know how as Im sure entwood can verify is extremely limited :(
so i guess i would have to call someone in
As a foot note the light came on again Thursday armed with my decoder and laptop thankyou thankyou thankyou entwood :)
i checked it out this time only the one code 0170 which i then reset.
first thing Friday morning she had a gumble when i started her slight mis-fire ? and since then all running fine
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Not had to do this (yet) but MAF replacement looks a fairly simple procedure ..according to the "book of lies"
Airflow meter
39 Ensure the ignition is switched off then
disconnect the wiring connector from the
airflow meter and intake air temperature
sensor (see illustration).
40 Slacken the retaining clips then detach the
intake duct from the airflow meter and air
cleaner housing and remove it from the vehicle.
41 Slacken the retaining clip then remove the
airflow meter from the vehicle (see
illustration). Inspect the meter for signs of
damage and renew if necessary.
42 Refitting is the reverse of removal
ensuring the intake ducts are correctly
engaged with the meter recesses.
Certainly no need for it to go into a garage, easily do-able at the roadside :)
Just a matter of getting hold of a known good one.. I expect new are stupid prices ... so maybe a breaker here ??
More that willing to help you change it, once you get hold of one !! I'm sure further advice will follow from "someone who knows"
:)
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Some mentioned this company are good, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Flow-Mass-meter-Vauxhall-Astra-Omega-0280-217-106-/370086090183?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item562ad995c7 I don't know if this is the correct MAF for the car, but looks not too expensive. However it may not be as good as a genuine one, any thoughts ?.
Ken
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Unfortunately I don't think thats the right one ... OP's is a 2.6 which is not listed by that site, and according to my reading of the EPC (which could well be wrong !!) he needs
METER, ASSY., AIRFLOW, AIR CLEANER (BOSCH 0281002184) (NLS.- USE 93171760 8 36 593 )
and they are frightening prices although there is ONE seller at something reasonable .. question is .. why is that one so cheap .... :(
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=93171760&_sacat=See-All-Categories
:(
EDIT ...
Interesting .. put the original Bosch code in to ebay and you get this ..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=0281002184&_sacat=0&_dmpt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&_odkw=93171760&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
Which has several at a reasonable price ......
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i find this quite worrying :(
there seem to be so many variables with with such differing prices £120+ is well above my comfort zone finantially at the moment :-[
maybe will have to try and scope out either a non Bosch or a second hand one
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A new MAF has cured several P0170/P0173 problems :y :y
Yep that immediately sorted mine with exact codes
Sorted mine as well ... i know mine is only 2.2 but new maf stopped my P0170
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There was a thread on here about some transits using the same MAF http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1259170901/6 (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1259170901/6)
If I could work out how to post a link to the thread in the new site I would.............
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Note 2.6 and 3.2 use the same MAF.
What are the units for the MAF figure in the live data? Voltage or mass air flow?
Typically, MAF should be about 12 kg/h at hot idle, and increase dramatically with more throttle. I can't make sense of the figures posted.
Swapping it with the known good one from my car is my favourite diagnostic step. If it then no longer stumbles when the trims are reset, and fuel trims stay senssible - faulty MAF.
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Note 2.6 and 3.2 use the same MAF.
What are the units for the MAF figure in the live data? Voltage or mass air flow?
Typically, MAF should be about 12 kg/h at hot idle, and increase dramatically with more throttle. I can't make sense of the figures posted.
Swapping it with the known good one from my car is my favourite diagnostic step. If it then no longer stumbles when the trims are reset, and fuel trims stay senssible - faulty MAF.
Just been out and chcked .. it is g/s grams / second.
My 3.2 on starting from cold and still running on petrol - you have to have the engine running to get live data to work ! - shows 8.2 g/s but idle is still quite high as very cold .... :)
HTH
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Note 2.6 and 3.2 use the same MAF.
What are the units for the MAF figure in the live data? Voltage or mass air flow?
Typically, MAF should be about 12 kg/h at hot idle, and increase dramatically with more throttle. I can't make sense of the figures posted.
Swapping it with the known good one from my car is my favourite diagnostic step. If it then no longer stumbles when the trims are reset, and fuel trims stay senssible - faulty MAF.
Just been out and chcked .. it is g/s grams / second.
My 3.2 on starting from cold and still running on petrol - you have to have the engine running to get live data to work ! - shows 8.2 g/s but idle is still quite high as very cold .... :)
HTH
Ok. So, multiply by 3.6 and you should have kg/h. That makes yours 29.5kg/h which is reasonable for a cold engine, I reckon.
The live data you posted at a hot idle - 2.25-2.5 g/s is only about 8 or 9 kg/h which is a little low, IMHO.
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Hi guys sorry work has kept me busy this week so first chance to get here was today.
Light seems to come on rough estimate every 7 days.
I have just re-set again thanks as always Entwood :y
so maybe a more accurate eye on the situation is called for so re-set at 09.30 on Saturday 26th November.
She ran a bit rough to begin with interesting enough the decoder that Entwood gave me clearly states on re-set that this is likely to happen as everything adjusts itself obviously this is in laymans terms cos im thick ;D
My friend the spanner man was interested that it seemed to take 7 days before the light came on again and suggested i put it to you guys the professionals as he is not an Omega man.
I may work alot of hours but the price of replacing this MAF is a little rich for me the cheaper ones that I have seen ie not Bosch will they still be up for the job I wonder ?
Your thoughts guys as always much appreciated
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so now a further development started her up at 10.55 to see how she was running like a pig gets it said :(
sat there for a while then on comes the light again.
Got out the trusty decoder expecting the same as usual but no
statement is "random misfire" series of codes 300
not sure what to do gone out on a limb and re-set again but not convinced its doing the car any good will report back if anything else occurs
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Fit Entwoods Maf to confirm.
If he doesnt mind of course. :)
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ok hopefully he will see these posts and add comment
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It's a two minute job tbh. Sorry E ;D
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New update 12.15 start her up again yes running like a pig again :(
Walk away to get a coffee come back running like a pig orange manaement light back on even uneducated me can hear the misfires.
Try to run her around the car park at work but limited space as Entwood knows
Shes going nowhere fast no power chug chug chug :'(
ok little bit of rev well alot actually and i hear her come back to me and she becomes responsive off we go
Take a risk run her up the road she settles down misfires stop orange light goes out
What the hell is happening now ??
Going to have a bite to it then start her up again
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You need to check the plug wells for oil/water... It sounds like there is more than one issue here
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ok the trouble is why has this other problem just recently occurred this morning just after th re-set its far too much of a coincidence for me :-\
She has never run this bad and now after starting her up yet again 12.50 hes runs like a pig this time management light flashes as i driver her around the car park this then stops engine starts running normally
I parked her up and left her on tick over for 5 minutes no problem at all
Seems this re-set has done her no favours at all you think ?
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What is happening is that your ECU is being fed duff readings.
Immediately after you reset the trims the ECU uses duff readings to produce duff results (result being it runs like a bag of spanners)
The ECU is smart though. Once the engine is warmed up and the ECU is running 'closed loop' it looks at the lambda readings to check that the air/fuel mixture is correct. If the mixture isn't right then the ECU makes changes to the trims to compensate.
If the numbers in the fuel trims get too big then the ECU is programmed to flag up a fault to tell you that it is being fed duff information. That was taking 7 days but is now taking less time which points to the problem getting worse.
The good news is that if the duff information is getting worse then it should be easier to recognise the faulty component using the live data :y
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Update 13.35 fired her up straight into normal tick over running smooth so maybe shes had a word with herself. :)
not sure that the problem is getting worse as the management light came an hour later after the re-set for the random misfires codes not the fuel trim
once the engine started running smooth the light went off so I believe that the second group of misfire codes were created by the original reset this morning.
That being said she took a long time to sort herself maybe its because shes old like me it often takes me ages to get things to work ;)
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Oops, reread the thread after I posted and realised that you hadn't said it was getting worse :-[
I think it is running OK now because it has changed the trims a little (or maybe a lot).
Agree that the warning light was because of the misfire codes.
I do think that the problem is sensor related and that the ECU is applying more and more trim in an attempt to compensate until it eventually gives up and brings on the warning light.
(that said.. I made my earlier comment about spark plugs because a misfire results in air and unburned fuel disappearing down the exhaust. The lambda sensors are only measuring oxygen (they can't measure unburned fuel) so the ECU would think the mixture was too lean. I don't know if the ECU would try to change the trims (it shouldn't if it already knows about a misfire) but I imagine an intermittent misfire could cause some odd trims)
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I think you definately have something there the more you listen the more you hear and there does seem to be something going on like she isnt running quite right almost a little hiccup going on from time to time if that makes sense.
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can you believe it 26th December the light came back on so it was off officially for now thats close on a month it was off for makes no sense so now the trials and tribulations start again ? :'(
My spanner spoke spoke to a guy he knows who owns a local garage his statement was the decoder I have is a handy DIY bit of kit but constant re-setting will cause the car to shut down altogether :(
To be honest not sure if thats the case but worried about doing it again in case he is right seems to be so many conflicting opinions over the potential cause