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Title: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: albitz on 07 November 2011, 21:19:18
Would have been a schock if any other verdict had been reached,but its America,so you never can tell.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Webby the Bear on 07 November 2011, 21:21:02
what's his sentence, Albs?  :)

i had tickets to see MJ on his final tour  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2011, 21:21:11
The annoying thing is that this would be a no-news story if it wasn't Wacko Jacko
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: albitz on 07 November 2011, 21:23:20
Not sentenced yet.Judge is just explaining to the jury that they have to wait 90 days before becoming millionares by selling their stories. ::)
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: PhilRich on 07 November 2011, 21:23:47
I watched the trail a few times and was struck by what a shambles their system is :D Half the time his lawyer appeared to be singing from a different hymn sheet to everyone else so not suprised he's been found guilty tbh! ;D
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Webby the Bear on 07 November 2011, 21:24:20
The annoying thing is that this would be a no-news story if it wasn't Wacko Jacko

being wacko was what he was about. he built his career around it. he hadn't bought out anything decent in years so keeping in the limelight by being mental was his way of doing it. micheal ''circus'' jackson. but hey there'll never be owt lik him again
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2011, 21:36:42
The annoying thing is that this would be a no-news story if it wasn't Wacko Jacko

being wacko was what he was about. he built his career around it. he hadn't bought out anything decent in years so keeping in the limelight by being mental was his way of doing it. micheal ''circus'' jackson. but hey there'll never be owt lik him again
Missed my point.  A talented entertainer and all that.

My point was, nobody would give a left gonad if it was Joe Smith from Huddersfield.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: pscocoa on 07 November 2011, 21:48:40
but what if Joe Smith from Huddersfield had been killed by a lion?
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2011, 21:50:31
but what if Joe Smith from Huddersfield had been killed by a lion?
The media is truely awful, in their desire to be more American
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Lioned on 07 November 2011, 22:11:40
Max 4 years for involuntary manslaughter,not a bad touch for him if he's been wise enough to hide all the money.
He'll loose his license as well but shouldnt need to work again anyway.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Webby the Bear on 07 November 2011, 22:13:25
The annoying thing is that this would be a no-news story if it wasn't Wacko Jacko

being wacko was what he was about. he built his career around it. he hadn't bought out anything decent in years so keeping in the limelight by being mental was his way of doing it. micheal ''circus'' jackson. but hey there'll never be owt lik him again
Missed my point.  A talented entertainer and all that.

My point was, nobody would give a left gonad if it was Joe Smith from Huddersfield.

yeah true but its because of how clever he was with being so wacky that he got that attention. even in death. what im trying to say that as well as being a great singer he was also a businessman who knew what the public wanted. and he gave it to them  :y
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: TheBoy on 07 November 2011, 22:14:49
The annoying thing is that this would be a no-news story if it wasn't Wacko Jacko

being wacko was what he was about. he built his career around it. he hadn't bought out anything decent in years so keeping in the limelight by being mental was his way of doing it. micheal ''circus'' jackson. but hey there'll never be owt lik him again
Missed my point.  A talented entertainer and all that.

My point was, nobody would give a left gonad if it was Joe Smith from Huddersfield.

yeah true but its because of how clever he was with being so wacky that he got that attention. even in death. what im trying to say that as well as being a great singer he was also a businessman who knew what the public wanted. and he gave it to them  :y
I disagree. Media are only all over him like a safari park chimp because he is was a celebrity.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: albitz on 07 November 2011, 23:36:09
Max 4 years for involuntary manslaughter,not a bad touch for him if he's been wise enough to hide all the money.
He'll loose his license as well but shouldnt need to work again anyway.

What money ? He was in the job for 3 months on $100,000 per month,but he hadnt actually been paid any money when Jacko croaked, and still hasnt been paid. Never will be now either. ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: jonnycool on 08 November 2011, 11:56:26
The annoying thing is that this would be a no-news story if it wasn't Wacko Jacko

It wouldn't have even happened if it hadn't been Jacko  :-\
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: bob.dent on 08 November 2011, 12:31:05
The annoying thing is that this would be a no-news story if it wasn't Wacko Jacko

being wacko was what he was about. he built his career around it. he hadn't bought out anything decent in years so keeping in the limelight by being mental was his way of doing it. micheal ''circus'' jackson. but hey there'll never be owt lik him again
Missed my point.  A talented entertainer and all that.

My point was, nobody would give a left gonad if it was Joe Smith from Huddersfield.

The thing is, most things involving well known celebrities will always provoke wide media interest - just look at the crap we have to read or watch on TV about that mega-boobed tart Jordan! Lets face it, MJ was an iconic figure in the world of music so it's no surprise his death and the subsequent trial made big news.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 08 November 2011, 12:43:49
Max 4 years for involuntary manslaughter,not a bad touch for him if he's been wise enough to hide all the money.
He'll loose his license as well but shouldnt need to work again anyway.

What money ? He was in the job for 3 months on $100,000 per month,but he hadnt actually been paid any money when Jacko croaked, and still hasnt been paid. Never will be now either. ;)


What happened to the doctor used by wacko before murray ?

Wacko had been using various forms of shall we say "medication" for years  :-\
Did he see the light and get out ?
Was he called too give evidence for or against wacko ?
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Shelby on 08 November 2011, 12:52:23
Max 4 years for involuntary manslaughter,not a bad touch for him if he's been wise enough to hide all the money.
He'll loose his license as well but shouldnt need to work again anyway.

Also heard some news this morning saying that if he did receive that sentence there would be a reasonably high chance he would be out in a matter of months due to their overcrowded prisons!

Even if he didn't actually do it I suspect the 'wolves, baying for blood' would of found some way to convict him regardless.  The screaming hoardes demanded someone be found guilty!
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Bionic on 08 November 2011, 13:17:25
Obviously it was the publicity that ran this case. It looked as if there would be riots if he was found innocent and so the guilty verdict arrived.
Thank F we live in a country where the law is the law and publicity cannot interfere with a trial.
Wacko should have been certified years ago and put where he could not endager himself.
I will always believe that he administered the fatal dose himself because the doc refused.......
Hope he gets probation but no doubt he will get the full 4 years.
Thats the yank justice system for you. (did I say Yank or did I mean with a W?)  ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Lioned on 08 November 2011, 13:46:59
One way or the other he was guilty as he was employed as jackos doctor and thus responsible for his well being,in which he clearly failed in his duty.
Was on 150k per month and his story is being touted around the networks for whatever he can get ( maybe up to a million ) no doubt his lawyers will be taking a big chunk of that though.
 
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 November 2011, 16:13:14
Thank F we live in a country where the law is the law and publicity cannot interfere with a trial.

They are itching to let the media into our courts at the moment, though. >:(

Then again, whilst I didn't follow it at all, I would have thought this would be a pretty cut and dried case. Did he prescribe a level of drugs that was enough to kill, or not?

If a doctor prescribes drugs that harm a patient, he's responsible. If he didn't, well, it's the patient's problem, surely?
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 November 2011, 18:13:33
Thank F we live in a country where the law is the law and publicity cannot interfere with a trial.

They are itching to let the media into our courts at the moment, though. >:(

Then again, whilst I didn't follow it at all, I would have thought this would be a pretty cut and dried case. Did he prescribe a level of drugs that was enough to kill, or not?If a doctor prescribes drugs that harm a patient, he's responsible. If he didn't, well, it's the patient's problem, surely?

i think it was more to do with what he administered.... i.e. yes, he gave him a fatal dose but it was of an aneasthetic that should never have been given to treat insomnia in the first place!
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: albitz on 08 November 2011, 18:18:23
He was infusing Propafol - an aneasthetic drug used in operating theatres, and never in a home situation. He bought literally gallons of the stuff.His only defence was that he wasnt in the room and that Jacko must have woken up and given himself a large shot of the stuff through the IV in his leg. ::)
Even if that is true,he shouldnt have left the patient unattended, and should as a matter of course had him wired up to heart monitors etc as he would have been had he been in hospital and treated with the same drug.
He also delayed calling the emergency services for almost half an hour after Jacko stopped breathing,as he wanted to try to sort it out himself wiothout any repurcussions.He then cleared the evidence of the medication from the room and didnt inform the ambulance crew or doctors of what he had been injecting him with.
Guilty as sin. A complete dereliction of duty. If his first priority wasnt to cover his own arse, the medics could almost certainly have revived Jacko.
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Webby the Bear on 08 November 2011, 18:23:15
He was infusing Propafol - an aneasthetic drug used in operating theatres, and never in a home situation. He bought literally gallons of the stuff.His only defence was that he wasnt in the room and that Jacko must have woken up and given himself a large shot of the stuff through the IV in his leg. ::)
Even if that is true,he shouldnt have left the patient unattended, and should as a matter of course had him wired up to heart monitors etc as he would have been had he been in hospital and treated with the same drug.
He also delayed calling the emergency services for almost half an hour after Jacko stopped breathing,as he wanted to try to sort it out himself wiothout any repurcussions.He then cleared the evidence of the medication from the room and didnt inform the ambulance crew or doctors of what he had been injecting him with.
Guilty as sin. A complete dereliction of duty. If his first priority wasnt to cover his own arse, the medics could almost certainly have revived Jacko.

that just further shows how negligent he was.... jacko in charge of his own doses whilst CM goes for a piss! wtf???
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Rods2 on 08 November 2011, 23:28:35
In the best traditions of US justice, no doubt the Dr would had got away with it if he had played American football.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dr. Conrad Murray - Guilty.
Post by: Amigo on 09 November 2011, 18:32:58
Whilst i accept Jackson has a HUGE following & talent musically i don't get it but i'm not into twinkly pop/pap music & all our tastes differ. I've never liked the bloke. I think he's a freak & a deluded idiot, let's face it some of his behavior was questionable to say the least so who'se to say he did'nt pressure Murray in any way? Let's face it he was fricking weird. Not a bad hearted bloke by any means but still a bit of a cock if we're honest! However it's still a loss of life & family & friends who are grieving have my sympathies, lost Mum in July so i understand the hopeless empty feeling.

  Hard to say what if anything Murray is guilty of. Judging by his past Jackson could've done anything, who can say for sure? I doubt Murray deliberately killed him but he may be guilty of negligence & will of course be struck off & no longer practice. What with the emotion fuelled fans & the publicity bandwagon that is the US legal system Murray never stood a chance. He may be responsible to a degree but that Jackson was such a freak that it would've happened sooner or later.

   Even if he's not paid any outstanding wages Murray will cash in on the story before his release. Sadly i fear some fan who is equally out of touch with reality as Jackson was will get to him during his sentance or on his release.... If i where a doctor i would'nt have taken the job on in the first place for any money!!!!