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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: millwall on 28 November 2011, 19:36:51
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2 blokes who work for me both need the day off as both single dads and schools are shut so its dropped me in the sh1t >:(
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Sack the strikers. >:(
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yep sack all the tinkers..most of them are treating it as a day off... :y
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Nope. The country has not really come out of recession properly (and is heading back into recession according to today's figures). Public sector has to take some of the pain, I'm afraid.
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Sack the strikers. >:(
I'm afraid that many in the public sector have had it so good for so long (on pensions) that they find it very difficult to accept what most of those in the private sector have had to tolerate in the last 15yrs.
So I do feel for them, but do believe they need to understand that the current pension arrangements are unsustainable. To be honest, even the proposed arrangements, that the strike is over, is unsustainable, and still represents an excellent pension scheme.
Despite me (and my company) paying in several thousand pounds this year, my pension pot is 2 grand less than it was this time last year >:(. Thats a reality check, maybe our public sector need that ;)
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2 blokes who work for me both need the day off as both single dads and schools are shut so its dropped me in the sh1t >:(
Surely it is their responsibility to do the job their paid for, child care is up to them. For christs sake they'll want paternity leave next, and an index linked full salary pension ;D ;D
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Sack the strikers. >:(
shoot them . job done :)
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All I can say to those who go on strike is this:
Think about those who have fought and laid down their lives so you can have the freedom slto strike. Because they are in the same boat as you and cannot go on strike even if they wanted to.
Oh, and no. They would never think of striking ever. It's jack f@&king over your buddies for your own gain.
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I am not taking strike action, I have got official Union dispensation to continue with my duties, under the provision of life and limb services.... :y :y
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2 blokes who work for me both need the day off as both single dads and schools are shut so its dropped me in the sh1t >:(
Surely it is their responsibility to do the job their paid for, child care is up to them. For christs sake they'll want paternity leave next, and an index linked full salary pension ;D ;D
;D if thats what they want they can break off ;D ;D
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Yes, I agree with it. More to come next year too. :y
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Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning ;D
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Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning ;D
Why not ,thats whats going to be happening to your Mechanic, painter, plumber, carer etc etc etc.
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I don't agree with the strike action but I am lucky that my wife doesn't work so can look after the kids.
As for the 2 guys taking time off if they have no other choice and they can't bring the kids into work (which some places will allow) its not their fault really but I am sure there will be a shortage of parents in work tomorrow though
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Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning ;D
Why not ,thats whats going to be happening to your Mechanic, painter, plumber, carer etc etc etc.
Yes, but do you want it to happen? I know I don't. It's the same old stuff, like the PFI scandal on BBC 1 last night, as long as it doesn't affect the current government, we can deal with it later. There are a few at my son's school reaching retirement age (60) and they have no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum. Hardly conducive to a 'good' education.
As for mechanics, painters, etc., we have a choice whether to use them or not, not so for teachers or nurses.
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Some of the best teachers I had at school were the ones nearing retirement. Plenty of experience to draw on (industrial experience before a career in teaching in many cases) and they had much more energy and enthusiasm than many younger teachers who just turned up and read from a script.
I say, if they are competent to do the job, then age is not an issue, and if the rest of us are going to be working longer to fund our retirement why not teachers? I could understand if the job were physically demanding but we're not talking Police / Firemen / Front line soldiers here, although experience in a war zone would have been an advantage in some of our classes :-X.
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Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning ;D
Many people, teachers included, are like that well before they reach 66! I seem to remember one who had a wig that often became unstuck and moved, bloomin hilarious ;D
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Voted yes.
The cost of public sector pensions is ballooning and does need some tweaking.
Did the people who work in the private sector and are now bleating about the value of public sector pensions ever think about changing sectors? Course not they were too happy with their companies TGIF incentives.
What a daft idea that because people are living longer they should work longer. I know plenty of people aged 60+ who wouldn't be or wouldn't have been able to(dead now) hold a job down at that age. Also what about the so called obesity issue (fattest in Europe). Are those fat gits still going to be alive in 40 years time looking forward to working till they are 78?
5 million unemployed?
Britain still engaged in profligate waste of public money. Charity begins at home but hey we can't even manage our borders.
I dare say later today Osborne will announce some infrastructure initiative (where the contract(S) will go to a foreign country to build something not needed to take peoples eye off the ball.
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Where will the money come from to pay for it ? ................the figures involved will be many billions of pounds and will continue for ever and ever....
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Voted yes.
1.The cost of public sector pensions is ballooning and does need some tweaking.
2.Did the people who work in the private sector and are now bleating about the value of public sector pensions ever think about changing sectors? Course not they were too happy with their companies TGIF incentives.
3.What a daft idea that because people are living longer they should work longer. I know plenty of people aged 60+ who wouldn't be or wouldn't have been able to(dead now) hold a job down at that age. Also what about the so called obesity issue (fattest in Europe). Are those fat gits still going to be alive in 40 years time looking forward to working till they are 78?
4. 5 million unemployed?
5.Britain still engaged in profligate waste of public money. Charity begins at home but hey we can't even manage our borders.
6.I dare say later today Osborne will announce some infrastructure initiative (where the contract(S) will go to a foreign country to build something not needed to take peoples eye off the ball.
1.The cost of the public sector including its pensions hasnt just ballooned,it has become an enormous uncontrolled monster which drains unthinkable amounts of money from the national budget. Any responsible govt. must grasp this nettle asap.
The previous excuse for a govt swelled the ranks of the already overstaffed public sector by at least 750,000 - that is the biggest single cause of the problem we now have.
2. Traditionally the private sector had higher wages than the public sector,but the public sector had better pension arrangemements for lower or no contributions.
Under the last govt public sector pay outstripped the private sector,so they now for the most part earn more than the private sector as well as having a pension scheme which no private company could afford under any circumstances.
3. I agree that it is far from ideal to give people little choice but to work longer,but the money is never going to be available to pay everyone a good pension from around 65 until death (20 years?) and fund the monster that is the public sector scheme at the same time.The figures could never be made to add up in any realistic scenario.
Perhaps if the public sector scheme (and numbers entitled to join it) was brought back (in real terms) with where it was 15vyears ago,it may be possible to let people in the private sector retire a bit earlier ?
4. Coincidentally, thats around the same number of people who have come to live here since the late 90,s. ;)
4. there is a lot of waste,but realistically its unlikely there could be enough savings to pay the bill for the excess in the public sector wages/pensions. Its not that we cant manage our borders, it was decided to stop managing them - hence, the answer to number 4.
6. I hope your wrong,but I wouldnt be surprised if your right.
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I strongly suspect this budget will be the death knell for the LibCon goverment, the gutter press are already paving the way for Labour to get back in with article that begin like this:
George Osborne revealed that borrowing is now expected to hit £79billion in 2014-15 - more than double the £37billion which he had previously forecast and more than the £74billion predicted by the former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling.
Which people will, of course, reas as "Labour were right, this new lot are useless. Labour wouldn't have been forced to do the same thing due to the worsening global economy, at all"
So don't worry, Labour will be back in and it'll be final salary pensions all round!
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Of course those of us who are not being distracted by the emotive element (if any) in this proposed action are looking at the potential of how a mass movement - motivated by common purpose - deploying onto the streets to protest their dissatisfaction can be the catalyst where such protests, if made on a sufficiently widespread basis, can cause very real problems for the government of the day and the Establishment in general.
I would suggest that this will be the interesting element - howsoever successful the protest, (should it occur in the numbers envisaged).
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I strongly suspect this budget will be the death knell for the LibCon goverment, the gutter press are already paving the way for Labour to get back in with article that begin like this:
George Osborne revealed that borrowing is now expected to hit £79billion in 2014-15 - more than double the £37billion which he had previously forecast and more than the £74billion predicted by the former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling.
Which people will, of course, reas as "Labour were right, this new lot are useless. Labour wouldn't have been forced to do the same thing due to the worsening global economy, at all"
So don't worry, Labour will be back in and it'll be final salary pensions all round!
But the question I would ask is are the borrowing figures reported by the "gutter press" inaccurate then? If they are accurate ( and that is what I believe) then they have every right to let readers know the facts. We the public have a right to know this stuff ,
I don't think this budget will be the death knell of this government but they need to produce some rabbits quickly out of the hat to avoid the economy going down the pan.
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So don't worry, Labour will be back in and it'll be final salary pensions all round!
For the public sector, perhaps, and another Gordy style plundering of private sector pensions to pay for it, no doubt. >:(
Of course those of us who are not being distracted by the emotive element (if any) in this proposed action are looking at the potential of how a mass movement - motivated by common purpose - deploying onto the streets to protest their dissatisfaction can be the catalyst where such protests, if made on a sufficiently widespread basis, can cause very real problems for the government of the day and the Establishment in general.
I would suggest that this will be the interesting element - howsoever successful the protest, (should it occur in the numbers envisaged).
Do you think there's enough "mass" behind it for that?
Seems to me that there's little public support outside the public sector, as witnessed by the results of this poll, perhaps?
Then again, when bin bags start to pile up in the streets it will automatically be the government to blame. ::)
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Voted yes.
1.The cost of public sector pensions is ballooning and does need some tweaking.
2.Did the people who work in the private sector and are now bleating about the value of public sector pensions ever think about changing sectors? Course not they were too happy with their companies TGIF incentives.
3.What a daft idea that because people are living longer they should work longer. I know plenty of people aged 60+ who wouldn't be or wouldn't have been able to(dead now) hold a job down at that age. Also what about the so called obesity issue (fattest in Europe). Are those fat gits still going to be alive in 40 years time looking forward to working till they are 78?
4. 5 million unemployed?
5.Britain still engaged in profligate waste of public money. Charity begins at home but hey we can't even manage our borders.
6.I dare say later today Osborne will announce some infrastructure initiative (where the contract(S) will go to a foreign country to build something not needed to take peoples eye off the ball.
1.The cost of the public sector including its pensions hasnt just ballooned,it has become an enormous uncontrolled monster which drains unthinkable amounts of money from the national budget. Any responsible govt. must grasp this nettle asap.
The previous excuse for a govt swelled the ranks of the already overstaffed public sector by at least 750,000 - that is the biggest single cause of the problem we now have.
2. Traditionally the private sector had higher wages than the public sector,but the public sector had better pension arrangemements for lower or no contributions.
Under the last govt public sector pay outstripped the private sector,so they now for the most part earn more than the private sector as well as having a pension scheme which no private company could afford under any circumstances.
3. I agree that it is far from ideal to give people little choice but to work longer,but the money is never going to be available to pay everyone a good pension from around 65 until death (20 years?) and fund the monster that is the public sector scheme at the same time.The figures could never be made to add up in any realistic scenario.
Perhaps if the public sector scheme (and numbers entitled to join it) was brought back (in real terms) with where it was 15vyears ago,it may be possible to let people in the private sector retire a bit earlier ?
4. Coincidentally, thats around the same number of people who have come to live here since the late 90,s. ;)
4. there is a lot of waste,but realistically its unlikely there could be enough savings to pay the bill for the excess in the public sector wages/pensions. Its not that we cant manage our borders, it was decided to stop managing them - hence, the answer to number 4.
6. I hope your wrong,but I wouldnt be surprised if your right.
Didn't Fred the Shred retire with a fantastic pension that made a public sector pension look like a bag of peanuts, despite having presided over a disastrous out come for Britain in his time at the Bank?
Still counts regardless of who made the decision. Britain lacks people able to cut through the wrong and to make things right. I bet all those border staff right from the top(including May) will take home a nice bonus for having worked so hard. More waste.
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But the question I would ask is are the borrowing figures reported by the "gutter press" inaccurate then? If they are accurate ( and that is what I believe) then they have every right to let readers know the facts. We the public have a right to know this stuff ,
They may well be accurate, but that's not really the point.. the point is that by comparing figures Labour gave over a year ago, you're implying to (easily led) readers that Labour would not have done what the LibCons are now doing, and that the LibCons are somehow worse than Labour.. When the reality is almost certainly that Labour would also be increasing their borrowing 'estimates' were they in power right now.
[edit] Now, perhaps if Labour produced a shadow budget and their shadow borrowing figures were also widely reported.. but I'm sure that won't happen.
But people don't want to think about that, just look for the latest politician to blame and vote 'the other lot' back in as they'll clearly do a better job.
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Do you think there's enough "mass" behind it for that?
Seems to me that there's little public support outside the public sector, as witnessed by the results of this poll, perhaps?
Then again, when bin bags start to pile up in the streets it will automatically be the government to blame. ::)
Its early days in terms of widespread protest, but I would suggest that when the bags begin to pile up and other effects of this shambolic government's policies (and those of their predecessors) begin to bite, many people will soon realise that such widespread protest will be the only thing to get the government's attention and be more inclined to take to the streets in order to make their point – with all the potential for mayhem that it holds.
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with all the potential for mayhem that it holds.
Anarchy rules, KO! (Or was that dyslexia..)
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So don't worry, Labour will be back in and it'll be final salary pensions all round!
For the public sector, perhaps, and another Gordy style plundering of private sector pensions to pay for it, no doubt. >:(
Of course those of us who are not being distracted by the emotive element (if any) in this proposed action are looking at the potential of how a mass movement - motivated by common purpose - deploying onto the streets to protest their dissatisfaction can be the catalyst where such protests, if made on a sufficiently widespread basis, can cause very real problems for the government of the day and the Establishment in general.
I would suggest that this will be the interesting element - howsoever successful the protest, (should it occur in the numbers envisaged).
Do you think there's enough "mass" behind it for that?
Seems to me that there's little public support outside the public sector, as witnessed by the results of this poll, perhaps?
Then again, when bin bags start to pile up in the streets it will automatically be the government to blame. ::)
The result of the poll on here? I hardly think a bunch of middle aged omega drivers would be considered representative ;D
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The result of the poll on here? I hardly think a bunch of middle aged omega drivers would be considered representative ;D
Oi, some of us aren't middle aged yet, you know :P
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The result of the poll on here? I hardly think a bunch of middle aged omega drivers would be considered representative ;D
I don't know so much. It's probably the widest cross-section of people that I belong to.
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The result of the poll on here? I hardly think a bunch of middle aged omega drivers would be considered representative ;D
Oi, some of us aren't middle aged yet, you know :P
Yup not all of us are old farts! ;D
I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
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The result of the poll on here? I hardly think a bunch of middle aged omega drivers would be considered representative ;D
Oi, some of us aren't middle aged yet, you know :P
Yup not all of us are old farts! ;D
I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
I resolved mine by planning to kick the bucket before retiring.. ;D
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The result of the poll on here? I hardly think a bunch of middle aged omega drivers would be considered representative ;D
I don't know so much. It's probably the widest cross-section of people that I belong to.
Oh dear. ;D
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The poll could never be anything other than unrepresentative.
I bet there are plenty of people who have read this thread and thought they would love to contribute "for" but with a few exceptions haven't felt able to do so. The tone was set from the first three posts. As it progressed the chances of it being representative got smaller and smaller.
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The poll could never be anything other than unrepresentative.
I bet there are plenty of people who have read this thread and thought they would love to contribute "for" but with a few exceptions haven't felt able to do so. The tone was set from the first three posts. As it progressed the chances of it being representative got smaller and smaller.
Exactly Varche, dothering old Thatcherites ;D
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And, while we're on the subject, I feel that I am entitled to comment on the subject because I wil be directly affected. But those of you to whom it will make absolutely no difference to your financial position whether public sector pensions are reduced or not, ask yourself why you feel so strongly about it. Out of some concern for the country, or possibly to ensure we pay our way in the world. Perhaps a new-found sense of fairness?
I think not. Envy is indeed a very strong and unpleasant emotion.
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And, while we're on the subject, I feel that I am entitled to comment on the subject because I wil be directly affected. But those of you to whom it will make absolutely no difference to your financial position whether public sector pensions are reduced or not, ask yourself why you feel so strongly about it. Out of some concern for the country, or possibly to ensure we pay our way in the world. Perhaps a new-found sense of fairness?
I think not. Envy is indeed a very strong and unpleasant emotion.
Who would they be, then?
It's in all our interests that the government stand their ground and demonstrate that they are sorting out our current financial fiasco, surely?
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And, while we're on the subject, I feel that I am entitled to comment on the subject because I wil be directly affected. But those of you to whom it will make absolutely no difference to your financial position whether public sector pensions are reduced or not, ask yourself why you feel so strongly about it. Out of some concern for the country, or possibly to ensure we pay our way in the world. Perhaps a new-found sense of fairness?
I think not. Envy is indeed a very strong and unpleasant emotion.
Who would they be, then?
It's in all our interests that the government stand their ground and demonstrate that they are sorting out our current financial fiasco, surely?
3p on the basic rate of income tax would sort it out at a stroke, why not do that?
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I'd rather see that 3p rise going to fix pot holes!
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I'd rather see that 3p rise going to fix pot holes!
Haven't seen a pothole for months. Still, plenty of time for the quick repairs they did last year to break up again at the first sign of a frost. ;D
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Just been doing the figures. It looks as though, despite whatever action unions take, the pension cuts will go ahead.
I have decided that we will not be paying for it. The red cross and macmillan can pay for it. Let the rather government look after kids in far flung places and pay for advice about cancer, they should be doing it anyway.
Books balanced :y ;D Which is more than I can say for George ::)
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I am firmly against the strike. For a start, it won't achieve anything, other than cause great inconvenience and a missed day's pay for many. >:(
There is simply no way that the public sector can avoid facing the realities of declining number of workers paying into schemes against an increase in the number drawing from them. It is unsustainable. Furthermore, private sector pensions have suffered greatly (my pot has fallen in value), so why shouldn't public sector workers face the same? Why should they think they are in some way more entitled to benefits than private sector workers? ::) ::) ::)
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And, while we're on the subject, I feel that I am entitled to comment on the subject because I wil be directly affected. But those of you to whom it will make absolutely no difference to your financial position whether public sector pensions are reduced or not, ask yourself why you feel so strongly about it. Out of some concern for the country, or possibly to ensure we pay our way in the world. Perhaps a new-found sense of fairness?
I think not. Envy is indeed a very strong and unpleasant emotion.
Who would they be, then?
It's in all our interests that the government stand their ground and demonstrate that they are sorting out our current financial fiasco, surely?
3p on the basic rate of income tax would sort it out at a stroke, why not do that?
So the unions wouldn't call the public sector out on strike if that happened? ;D
.. and we'd still be employing too many, on packages that aren't competitive.
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Jacking up tax would be career suicide, of course.. lets face it, in the face if needing to raise billions, they've already called off the tax rise on petrol (which would have raised quite a bit of money for the exchequer, I'm sure)..
They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
"LOWER TAXES!" people shout.
"HIGHER PENSIONS/PAY!" people shout.
Hm.. we should just plant a few magical money trees and solve everything, clearly ;)
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Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning ;D
Why not ,thats whats going to be happening to your Mechanic, painter, plumber, carer etc etc etc.
Yes, but do you want it to happen? I know I don't. It's the same old stuff, like the PFI scandal on BBC 1 last night, as long as it doesn't affect the current government, we can deal with it later. There are a few at my son's school reaching retirement age (60) and they have no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum. Hardly conducive to a 'good' education.
As for mechanics, painters, etc., we have a choice whether to use them or not, not so for teachers or nurses.
No bothered to be honest.
I was taught by a 60 year old some 30 years ago and things have improved in health care considerably since.= so dont see it being a big deal.
They HAVE to work to work to the same age as the rest of us.
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Jacking up tax would be career suicide, of course.. lets face it, in the face if needing to raise billions, they've already called off the tax rise on petrol (which would have raised quite a bit of money for the exchequer, I'm sure)..
They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.
"LOWER TAXES!" people shout.
"HIGHER PENSIONS/PAY!" people shout.
Hm.. we should just plant a few magical money trees and solve everything, clearly ;)
There's a job at the treasury for you, my boy :y
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There's a job at the treasury for you, my boy :y
I'll only take it if I get a final salary pension... :P ;D
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Anyone on here got young kids? Do you want a 66 year old teaching them? Having to pop off for a wee-wee every five minutes and forgetting their teeth in the morning ;D
Why not ,thats whats going to be happening to your Mechanic, painter, plumber, carer etc etc etc.
Yes, but do you want it to happen? I know I don't. It's the same old stuff, like the PFI scandal on BBC 1 last night, as long as it doesn't affect the current government, we can deal with it later. There are a few at my son's school reaching retirement age (60) and they have no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum. Hardly conducive to a 'good' education.
As for mechanics, painters, etc., we have a choice whether to use them or not, not so for teachers or nurses.
No bothered to be honest.
I was taught by a 60 year old some 30 years ago and things have improved in health care considerably since.= so dont see it being a big deal.
They HAVE to work to work to the same age as the rest of us.
I'm afraid that arguement doesn't hold water. 60 is not 68 and you didn't have yumin rights. It's a bit like saying 'I was beaten regularly with a big stick and it never did me any harm'. A different world, old man ;D
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I am firmly against the strike. For a start, it won't achieve anything, other than cause great inconvenience and a missed day's pay for many. >:(
There is simply no way that the public sector can avoid facing the realities of declining number of workers paying into schemes against an increase in the number drawing from them. It is unsustainable. Furthermore, private sector pensions have suffered greatly (my pot has fallen in value), so why shouldn't public sector workers face the same? Why should they think they are in some way more entitled to benefits than private sector workers? ::) ::) ::)
Nick, that takes the biscuit. Your pension pot has declined through the crass stupidity of a few in the banking system. Your pension is based on stocks and shares. The public sector workers is based on - years worked for that outfit and final salary. If the situation was reversed and folk with pension pots got great returns (through some magic of the markets) would the public sector people be up in arms about it? Don't think so.
I keep saying this and the point is missed. Career folk (those that workj in an industry all their lives) look at what reward they get for their graft ( and we have to assume everyone is managed properly) That reward is pay , hours, sick pay, jollies, xmas parties, company freebies, pension and so on. You make a decision and if you are far sighted then the boat comes in when (if) you reach retirement age. Earlier someone said that public and private sector "pay" was roughly equal a few years ago. So something changed recently. People will say that was Labour allowing better than average pay rises. Who voted them in to allow that regime? err the people, just the same as they voted an equally inept bunch in this time.
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Private sector pension pots declined when Brown plundered them to finance his huge job creation scam in the public sector - long before the banking crisis. Private sector pensions are paid according to the amount of money available from the individuals pot - there is no other way of paying it. Public sector pensions should be paid on the same basis - the only other way is to take it from other people (the ever shrinking private sector),or borrow it to be repaid by future generations.
Final salary schemes were all but abolished in the private sector years ago and the same needs to happen in the public sector. The previous govt. made promises to their union paymasters that the country could never afford to keep,its time for someone to have the guts to tell them the truth.
Those who made career decisions in the private sector have had the goalposts moved and the promises broken during their working lives due to economic reality - its now the turn of the public sector. Its nothing to do with envy whatsoever,but evrything to do with a sense of overall fair play and a concept of the real world we live in.
The level of debt this country has is terrifying - it needs to be sorted.
If Labour were in power at the moment they would either be doing the same as this lot - or much worse,lying to everyone again and storing up huge problems for the future - just to keep the party coffers swelling with union money.
And btw - Im not an old Thatcherite blah blah....Ive never voted Tory in my life. ;)
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Private sector pension pots declined when Brown plundered them to finance his huge job creation scam in the public sector - long before the banking crisis. Private sector pensions are paid according to the amount of money available from the individuals pot - there is no other way of paying it. Public sector pensions should be paid on the same basis - the only other way is to take it from other people (the ever shrinking private sector),or borrow it to be repaid by future generations.
Final salary schemes were all but abolished in the private sector years ago and the same needs to happen in the public sector. The previous govt. made promises to their union paymasters that the country could never afford to keep,its time for someone to have the guts to tell them the truth.
Those who made career decisions in the private sector have had the goalposts moved and the promises broken during their working lives due to economic reality - its now the turn of the public sector. Its nothing to do with envy whatsoever,but evrything to do with a sense of overall fair play and a concept of the real world we live in.
The level of debt this country has is terrifying - it needs to be sorted.
If Labour were in power at the moment they would either be doing the same as this lot - or much worse,lying to everyone again and storing up huge problems for the future - just to keep the party coffers swelling with union money.
And btw - Im not an old Thatcherite blah blah....Ive never voted Tory in my life. ;)
Oh God! Is that you logged on for 15 hours while you're at.............work? :-\
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Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know. :y ;D
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Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know. :y ;D
That's even better than a public sector job. Get paid to spout shite for 15 hours. :y
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IMHO... the strike action is a load of bullocks....
they're complaining at the moment about a 1% paycut for 2 years... try having no payrises for 4 years! we got a 1% payrise and today announced we get another 2% payrise from the 1st december
we didnt go on strike at any time in the last 4 years, they should think themselves lucky... they get paid out of our pockets, get their pensions out of our pockets and they expect us like usual to make up the difference for them to have a better pension
my pension isnt index linked so i have to pay in alot to get a decent pension by the time im 60 etc as it'll have lost so much value!
anyway thats my £2 worth lol
Alex
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IMHO... the strike action is a load of bullocks....
they're complaining at the moment about a 1% paycut for 2 years... try having no payrises for 4 years! we got a 1% payrise and today announced we get another 2% payrise from the 1st december
we didnt go on strike at any time in the last 4 years, they should think themselves lucky... they get paid out of our pockets, get their pensions out of our pockets and they expect us like usual to make up the difference for them to have a better pension
my pension isnt index linked so i have to pay in alot to get a decent pension by the time im 60 etc as it'll have lost so much value!
anyway thats my £2 worth lol
Alex
Poor Alex :-*
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Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know. :y ;D
That's even better than a public sector job. Get paid to spout shite for 15 hours. :y
Oh I dunno,teachers also get paid to spout shite. Never seen one do a 15 hour shift though. ;) ;D
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Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know. :y ;D
That's even better than a public sector job. Get paid to spout shite for 15 hours. :y
Oh I dunno,teachers also get paid to spout shite. Never seen one do a 15 hour shift though. ;) ;D
Yours obviously did. Where was that exactly? Ballykissarsehole? ;D
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They say there is not enough money in the pension pot, fair enough. All public sector have got to have a cut back on pensions.
Does that include politicians? No, why not?
Are they not public sector workers?
If I remember rightly they are on a fair old screw when they retire.........
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Very good point Stan. Despite the fact that we are all supposed to be in this together that shower of shite in Westminster havent cut back their pay or pensions by a single penny. They are (supposedly) public servants, so should apply the same cutbacks to themselves that they are applying to the rest of the public sector.>:( >:( >:(
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Nah,night off tonight Steve.Will be logged in for 15 hours tomorrow night though,Im sure you will be pleased to know. :y ;D
That's even better than a public sector job. Get paid to spout shite for 15 hours. :y
Oh I dunno,teachers also get paid to spout shite. Never seen one do a 15 hour shift though. ;) ;D
Yours obviously did. Where was that exactly? Ballykissarsehole? ;D
At least it wasnt Scouseland.The only thing they taught you there was to nick hubcaps and achieve an A grade in gobshitery. ;D ;D
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Did the people who work in the private sector and are now bleating about the value of public sector pensions ever think about changing sectors? Course not they were too happy with their companies TGIF incentives.
Do those in the public sector think about changing sectors. Course no they were too happy with their (even under these proposals) pensions.
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I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
Me too. Its the only answer, either that or study the horses further ;D
So I'm having to increase my contributions, and even then end up with a smaller pension than I'd planned and hoped.
Sound familiar?
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I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
Me too. Its the only answer, either that or study the horses further ;D
So I'm having to increase my contributions, and even then end up with a smaller pension than I'd planned and hoped.
Sound familiar?
Dolly parton? Jonny Cash? :-\
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I'd be glad of the day off, 'cept my kids are off too! :(
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I'd be glad of the day off, 'cept my kids are off too! :(
No consideration for your kids eh? Now we're getting there. ;D
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Sack the strikers. >:(
I'm afraid that many in the public sector have had it so good for so long (on pensions) that they find it very difficult to accept what most of those in the private sector have had to tolerate in the last 15yrs.
So I do feel for them, but do believe they need to understand that the current pension arrangements are unsustainable. To be honest, even the proposed arrangements, that the strike is over, is unsustainable, and still represents an excellent pension scheme.
Despite me (and my company) paying in several thousand pounds this year, my pension pot is 2 grand less than it was this time last year >:(. Thats a reality check, maybe our public sector need that ;)
I'm a public sector worker and your wright we got a better pension until that wa*kstain clegg got his hands on it to pay for roads and railways (£20 billion)
The public sector were paid less than private sector workers doing the same or similar jobs but we(public sector) got a better pension than the private to compensate.
So before all you do-gooders jump on the band wagon slating us what if your pension company said 'screw you' were cutting your pension Oh and you'll pay more what would YOU do.
Ive not had a pay rise in the last three years but the cheif execs/councilers in most councils gave themselves a 12% rise >:( >:(
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Sack the strikers. >:(
I'm afraid that many in the public sector have had it so good for so long (on pensions) that they find it very difficult to accept what most of those in the private sector have had to tolerate in the last 15yrs.
So I do feel for them, but do believe they need to understand that the current pension arrangements are unsustainable. To be honest, even the proposed arrangements, that the strike is over, is unsustainable, and still represents an excellent pension scheme.
Despite me (and my company) paying in several thousand pounds this year, my pension pot is 2 grand less than it was this time last year >:(. Thats a reality check, maybe our public sector need that ;)
I'm a public sector worker and your wright we got a better pension until that wa*kstain clegg got his hands on it to pay for roads and railways (£20 billion)
The public sector were paid less than private sector workers doing the same or similar jobs but we(public sector) got a better pension than the private to compensate.
So before all you do-gooders jump on the band wagon slating us what if your pension company said 'screw you' were cutting your pension Oh and you'll pay more what would YOU do.Ive not had a pay rise in the last three years but the cheif execs/councilers in most councils gave themselves a 12% rise >:( >:(
I well remember the ltter from my employer several years ago when the govt wrecked private pension schemes. "The company pension scheme has been closed with immediate effect.your accrued pension entitlement will be transferred to a personal pension plan of your choice.The company will be glad to offer advice if required". Thats how it works in the real world Im afraid.
Pay rise - whats one of those ? ;)
Bottom line - you need to make the connection between what you hope to recieve and where the money will come from.The country is in deep financial trouble, the private sector (whose taxes pay for the public sector) has shrunk drastically,the public sector has grown dramatically, and retired people are living longer than they used to.
I know its hard to swallow if your directly affected,but thats the reality were living in unfortunately.
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Some interesting, if not rather one sided views here, and as I don't do political arguments I just want to make a couple of comments, as a public sector worker.....I am NOT trying to score or even make a point, just a ramble, you have been warned...... :D :D
I have worked both sides of the fence, worked in, Military, sales and industrial and even done some driving, HGV and PSV over the years.
Moved into the public sector in 1987 going from Private company, private medical treatment, non contributory pension, company car and expenses, earning £9k basic up to about £12k with commission :y I got fed up with sales, I earned more than the sales manager and had to work harder each year to stand still, nothing wrong with that but, found myself working all hours, as indeed many people do today.... :y
In 1987, out of the blue an opportunity came my way to work in a 'vocational' way but meant a drop of everything and a salary of £5k I was lucky enough to be able to do this, taking on driving work to help pay the bills. Over the years I have developed, trained and went to University aged 39 to get the qualifications for the Job I now do.......I recently got a promotion which gave me an extra £800 per year, other than this I was getting paid the same in 2004 as I was to a few months ago, we have also seen a £1200 net pay cut over the last 3 years, in stages ending in march next year.......... There are few private sector Job that carry the same responsibilities and risk balancing that I do on a daily basis, those that are available, pay considerably more, I could walk into one of these Jobs tomorrow, I choose not to because of the security and benefits I have as a public sector worker.
There are times when I want to have a moan and a groan, feel over worked and put upon by management, but I remember having those complaints in the private sector.......
On the whole do I love my Job, despite being shat upon at times.....YES
Am I on strike? NO
Our bins will not be emptied tomorrow, I can live with that, what is forgotten on here, unless there is a nice juicy story is, the less obvious, but essential, work that is done by public service workers to provide essential services that some on oof would complain about if they were not available, and that my friends is fact.... :y
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The public sector were paid less than private sector workers doing the same or similar jobs
Dont really agree, maybe true for senior mgrs and execs
So before all you do-gooders jump on the band wagon slating us what if your pension company said 'screw you' were cutting your pension Oh and you'll pay more what would YOU do.
Welcome to the real world, many private sector workers, Mrs TheBoy and I included, have been through this already, which is probably why there is so much anger towards the public sector workers moaning on this.
Ive not had a pay rise in the last three years
I'm jealous. For some of us, its been much longer ;)
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Ive not had a pay rise in the last three years
aww shame try running your own business many a week when i cant even take a wage
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I should also add, the default retirement age for my pension plan is set to 75 :o
The company pension scheme envisages that for people my age, the retirement age will be 75. So retiring at 67, that sounds like a bargain ;)
Naturally, being a DC pension (unlike the DB schemes for public sector), I can choose my retirement, but starting my pension early will hurt it, despite the huge amount of ACs I put in every month.
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Some interesting, in not rather one sided views here, and as I don't do political arguments I just want to make a couple of comments, as a public sector worker.....I am NOT trying to score or even make a point, just a ramble, you have been warned...... :D :D
I have worked both sides of the fence, worked in, Military, sales and industrial and even done some driving, HGV and PSV over the years.
Moved into the public sector in 1987 going from Private company, private medical treatment, non contributory pension, company car and expenses, earning £9k basic up to about £12k with commission :y I got fed up with sales, I earned more than the sales manager and had to work harder each year to stand still, nothing wrong with that but, found myself working all hours, as indeed many people do today.... :y
In 1987, out of the blue an opportunity came my way to work in a 'vocational' way but meant a drop of everything and a salary of £5k I was lucky enough to be able to do this, taking on driving work to help pay the bills. Over the years I have developed, trained and went to University aged 39 to get the qualifications for the Job I now do.......I recently got a promotion which gave me an extra £800 per year, other than this I was getting paid the same in 2004 as I was to a few months ago, we have also seen a £1200 net pay cut over the last 3 years, in stages ending in march next year.......... There are few private sector Job that carry the same responsibilities and risk balancing that I do on a daily basis, those that are available, pay considerably more, I could walk into one of these Jobs tomorrow, I choose not to because of the security and benefits I have as a public sector worker.
There are times when I want to have a moan and a groan, feel over worked and put upon by management, but I remember having those complaints in the private sector.......
On the whole do I love my Job, despite being shat upon at times.....YES
Am I on strike? NO
Our bins will not be emptied tomorrow, I can live with that, what is forgotten on here, unless there is a nice juicy story is, the less obvious, but essential, work that is done by public service workers to provide essential services that some on oof would complain about if they were not available, and that my friends is fact.... :y
A well balanced post Vamps. :y.............Imo very few people would argue with the fact that we need a public sector. Of course we do,although I am convinced it should be much smaller than it is. We need public services,quite a few of them are vital to enable the country to function. I also think its apparent to many that certain aspects of the public sector have got completely silly in recent years and need to be brought back to reality in 2011.
I fear that people will allow themselves to be used as pawns in a political game - wreck this govt asap and get a union friendly/ funded govt back in power. ;)
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I should also add, the default retirement age for my pension plan is set to 75 :o
The company pension scheme envisages that for people my age, the retirement age will be 75. So retiring at 67, that sounds like a bargain ;)
Naturally, being a DC pension (unlike the DB schemes for public sector), I can choose my retirement, but starting my pension early will hurt it, despite the huge amount of ACs I put in every month.
In public sector I was told, following a mass meeting where a huge number of people were informed if they had a secure future or not, I spoke with a pensions chap, taking early pension is a no no as I would loose 5% for every year early and was also told not old enough to go for early retirement anyway plus I was not being made redundant..... ::) ::) ::)
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I should also add, the default retirement age for my pension plan is set to 75 :o
The company pension scheme envisages that for people my age, the retirement age will be 75. So retiring at 67, that sounds like a bargain ;)
Naturally, being a DC pension (unlike the DB schemes for public sector), I can choose my retirement, but starting my pension early will hurt it, despite the huge amount of ACs I put in every month.
In public sector I was told, following a mass meeting where a huge number of people were informed if they had a secure future or not, I spoke with a pensions chap, taking early pension is a no no as I would loose 5% for every year early and was also told not old enough to go for early retirement anyway plus I was not being made redundant..... ::) ::) ::)
Yeah, taking it early is always bad. I have little desire to work until 75 though, thus the big AVCs I'm throwing into mine. Which with the current state of investment funds is basically not doing much good :(
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what about those that have to take a day off because the schools are closed, oh & unpaid of course, & maybe get a good rollocking for doing it, just because some decide to strike.
get real.
>:(
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what about those that have to take a day off because the schools are closed, oh & unpaid of course, & maybe get a good rollocking for doing it, just because some decide to strike.
get real.
>:(
Goverment stance is take your child to work.......... ::) ::) ::)
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what about those that have to take a day off because the schools are closed, oh & unpaid of course, & maybe get a good rollocking for doing it, just because some decide to strike.
get real.
>:(
Goverment stance is take your child to work.......... ::) ::) ::)
im sure they would love it if i turned up to work tomorrow with son in tow im at a chemical plant for the day
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what about those that have to take a day off because the schools are closed, oh & unpaid of course, & maybe get a good rollocking for doing it, just because some decide to strike.
get real.
>:(
Goverment stance is take your child to work.......... ::) ::) ::)
im sure they would love it if i turned up to work tomorrow with son in tow im at a chemical plant for the day
Well it's the government you wanted..... :D
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What a lot of people forget, when they slag off the current 'Mob', is that Labour (Gordon Brown) raided the pension funds when they were in power, which has contributed to the mess.
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I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
Me too. Its the only answer, either that or study the horses further ;D
So I'm having to increase my contributions, and even then end up with a smaller pension than I'd planned and hoped.
Sound familiar?
Trouble is I need to increase it even further, I was lucky enough to get a 4.5% pay rise this year. Decided as things were comfortable, to increase my contributions to 8%, company also puts in 8% so leaving 16% fund, think it needs to be closer to 25% though. :(
Handle little online calculator showing % contribution vs "projected" pension is scary, still hoping doing ground work now will set me up for later on.
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I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
Me too. Its the only answer, either that or study the horses further ;D
So I'm having to increase my contributions, and even then end up with a smaller pension than I'd planned and hoped.
Sound familiar?
Trouble is I need to increase it even further, I was lucky enough to get a 4.5% pay rise this year. Decided as things were comfortable, to increase my contributions to 8%, company also puts in 8% so leaving 16% fund, think it needs to be closer to 25% though. :(
Handle little online calculator showing % contribution vs "projected" pension is scary, still hoping doing ground work now will set me up for later on.
Wise move :y
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Some interesting, in not rather one sided views here, and as I don't do political arguments I just want to make a couple of comments, as a public sector worker.....I am NOT trying to score or even make a point, just a ramble, you have been warned...... :D :D
I have worked both sides of the fence, worked in, Military, sales and industrial and even done some driving, HGV and PSV over the years.
Moved into the public sector in 1987 going from Private company, private medical treatment, non contributory pension, company car and expenses, earning £9k basic up to about £12k with commission :y I got fed up with sales, I earned more than the sales manager and had to work harder each year to stand still, nothing wrong with that but, found myself working all hours, as indeed many people do today.... :y
In 1987, out of the blue an opportunity came my way to work in a 'vocational' way but meant a drop of everything and a salary of £5k I was lucky enough to be able to do this, taking on driving work to help pay the bills. Over the years I have developed, trained and went to University aged 39 to get the qualifications for the Job I now do.......I recently got a promotion which gave me an extra £800 per year, other than this I was getting paid the same in 2004 as I was to a few months ago, we have also seen a £1200 net pay cut over the last 3 years, in stages ending in march next year.......... There are few private sector Job that carry the same responsibilities and risk balancing that I do on a daily basis, those that are available, pay considerably more, I could walk into one of these Jobs tomorrow, I choose not to because of the security and benefits I have as a public sector worker.
There are times when I want to have a moan and a groan, feel over worked and put upon by management, but I remember having those complaints in the private sector.......
On the whole do I love my Job, despite being shat upon at times.....YES
Am I on strike? NO
Our bins will not be emptied tomorrow, I can live with that, what is forgotten on here, unless there is a nice juicy story is, the less obvious, but essential, work that is done by public service workers to provide essential services that some on oof would complain about if they were not available, and that my friends is fact.... :y
A well balanced post Vamps. :y.............Imo very few people would argue with the fact that we need a public sector. Of course we do,although I am convinced it should be much smaller than it is. We need public services,quite a few of them are vital to enable the country to function. I also think its apparent to many that certain aspects of the public sector have got completely silly in recent years and need to be brought back to reality in 2011.
I fear that people will allow themselves to be used as pawns in a political game - wreck this govt asap and get a union friendly/ funded govt back in power. ;)
We do need a public sector but the folk who work in it are on a damn good thing. They choose to do that job and provide the services that they do so to go out on strike is basically crapping on the people who need them. Life and indeed employment is about taking the rough with the smooth and these people need to realise that in their selfishness.
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The goverment are sticking the knife in by planning on using £20 billion of our pension fund to pay for roads/railways would the private sector give away there pension pot I think not.
The other question is what the hell are we paying road tax for.
I can understand why cuts are needed but this just sticks in your throat.
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I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
Me too. Its the only answer, either that or study the horses further ;D
So I'm having to increase my contributions, and even then end up with a smaller pension than I'd planned and hoped.
Sound familiar?
Trouble is I need to increase it even further, I was lucky enough to get a 4.5% pay rise this year. Decided as things were comfortable, to increase my contributions to 8%, company also puts in 8% so leaving 16% fund, think it needs to be closer to 25% though. :(
Handle little online calculator showing % contribution vs "projected" pension is scary, still hoping doing ground work now will set me up for later on.
Yup, if you only started your pension since being Rupert's bitch, you probably need to put shit loads in now to catch up.
Combined, I think mine is currently getting about 22%. Not sure this is enough, even though I've been paying into pension schemes since 18 (I froze that pension (as it was a good DB one) when I left BT).
I'm trading off how much is going into pension (would like to bump up a bit) with paying off the mortgage, which as you know I have a plan in place to do by 2016, when my endowment from my first house comes out.
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I resolved some of pension issues, by increasing my contributions ::)
Me too. Its the only answer, either that or study the horses further ;D
So I'm having to increase my contributions, and even then end up with a smaller pension than I'd planned and hoped.
Sound familiar?
Trouble is I need to increase it even further, I was lucky enough to get a 4.5% pay rise this year. Decided as things were comfortable, to increase my contributions to 8%, company also puts in 8% so leaving 16% fund, think it needs to be closer to 25% though. :(
Handle little online calculator showing % contribution vs "projected" pension is scary, still hoping doing ground work now will set me up for later on.
Yup, if you only started your pension since being Rupert's bitch, you probably need to put shit loads in now to catch up.
Combined, I think mine is currently getting about 22%. Not sure this is enough, even though I've been paying into pension schemes since 18 (I froze that pension (as it was a good DB one) when I left BT).
I'm trading off how much is going into pension (would like to bump up a bit) with paying off the mortgage, which as you know I have a plan in place to do by 2016, when my endowment from my first house comes out.
Yup.
Started work 2007, no pension scheme there. Got Sky perm role after being contractor in Jan 2010, so sod all in my pot! ;D
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The goverment are sticking the knife in by planning on using £20 billion of our pension fund to pay for roads/railways would the private sector give away there pension pot I think not.
The other question is what the hell are we paying road tax for.
I can understand why cuts are needed but this just sticks in your throat.
Yes, private companies raid the pension schemes if they are controlled/run by the company. My old company, BT, got in the deep do-dah financially by raiding pension schemes when it was trying to rule the world in the early 90s.
This sure as hell isn't something unique to public sector. Difference being is private sector went through this auserity a few years back ;). If I had stayed at BT, I would have had to have increased my contributions by 2% and see the value of it reduce - though I didn't go through that, as I was TUPEd out, and had to freeze my BT DB pension, and enter the new company's DC pension scheme.
In the case of public sector, the pension deficit is too big, and utterly unsustainable. The *ONLY* solutions are:
significantly reduced pension benefits
significantly increase contributions
pension kicking in much older in life
combo of above, which is what government are proposing
The governments proposals do not go far enough, by a long shot. There will still be an unsustainable pension deficit after this, so there will have to be further measures later.
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Where will the money come from to pay for it ? ................the figures involved will be many billions of pounds and will continue for ever and ever....
[evil mode on] as you are not the related minister its not your duty to find money Albs.. so calm down.. ;D
the politicians should plan and dont drain your money to banks flowing to offshores.. its their responsibility..
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Where will the money come from to pay for it ? ................the figures involved will be many billions of pounds and will continue for ever and ever....
[evil mode on][lands on the subject with parachute] as you are not the related minister its not your duty to find money Albs.. so calm down.. ;D
the politicians should plan and dont drain your money to banks flowing to offshores.. its their responsibility..
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Sack the strikers. >:(
I'm afraid that many in the public sector have had it so good for so long (on pensions) that they find it very difficult to accept what most of those in the private sector have had to tolerate in the last 15yrs.
So I do feel for them, but do believe they need to understand that the current pension arrangements are unsustainable. To be honest, even the proposed arrangements, that the strike is over, is unsustainable, and still represents an excellent pension scheme.
Despite me (and my company) paying in several thousand pounds this year, my pension pot is 2 grand less than it was this time last year >:( . Thats a reality check, maybe our public sector need that ;)
I'm a public sector worker and your wright we got a better pension until that wa*kstain clegg got his hands on it to pay for roads and railways (£20 billion)
The public sector were paid less than private sector workers doing the same or similar jobs but we(public sector) got a better pension than the private to compensate.
So before all you do-gooders jump on the band wagon slating us what if your pension company said 'screw you' were cutting your pension Oh and you'll pay more what would YOU do.
Ive not had a pay rise in the last three years but the cheif execs/councilers in most councils gave themselves a 12% rise >:( >:(
::) happy to see someone from my camp :) :y
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Sack the strikers. >:(
I'm afraid that many in the public sector have had it so good for so long (on pensions) that they find it very difficult to accept what most of those in the private sector have had to tolerate in the last 15yrs.
So I do feel for them, but do believe they need to understand that the current pension arrangements are unsustainable. To be honest, even the proposed arrangements, that the strike is over, is unsustainable, and still represents an excellent pension scheme.
Despite me (and my company) paying in several thousand pounds this year, my pension pot is 2 grand less than it was this time last year >:( . Thats a reality check, maybe our public sector need that ;)
I'm a public sector worker and your wright we got a better pension until that wa*kstain clegg got his hands on it to pay for roads and railways (£20 billion)
The public sector were paid less than private sector workers doing the same or similar jobs but we(public sector) got a better pension than the private to compensate.
So before all you do-gooders jump on the band wagon slating us what if your pension company said 'screw you' were cutting your pension Oh and you'll pay more what would YOU do.Ive not had a pay rise in the last three years but the cheif execs/councilers in most councils gave themselves a 12% rise >:( >:(
I well remember the ltter from my employer several years ago when the govt wrecked private pension schemes. "The company pension scheme has been closed with immediate effect.your accrued pension entitlement will be transferred to a personal pension plan of your choice.The company will be glad to offer advice if required". Thats how it works in the real world Im afraid.
Pay rise - whats one of those ? ;)
Bottom line - you need to make the connection between what you hope to recieve and where the money will come from.The country is in deep financial trouble, the private sector (whose taxes pay for the public sector) has shrunk drastically,the public sector has grown dramatically, and retired people are living longer than they used to.
I know its hard to swallow if your directly affected,but thats the reality were living in unfortunately.
I have a solution ;D ;D
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Some interesting, if not rather one sided views here, and as I don't do political arguments I just want to make a couple of comments, as a public sector worker.....I am NOT trying to score or even make a point, just a ramble, you have been warned...... :D :D
I have worked both sides of the fence, worked in, Military, sales and industrial and even done some driving, HGV and PSV over the years.
Moved into the public sector in 1987 going from Private company, private medical treatment, non contributory pension, company car and expenses, earning £9k basic up to about £12k with commission :y I got fed up with sales, I earned more than the sales manager and had to work harder each year to stand still, nothing wrong with that but, found myself working all hours, as indeed many people do today.... :y
In 1987, out of the blue an opportunity came my way to work in a 'vocational' way but meant a drop of everything and a salary of £5k I was lucky enough to be able to do this, taking on driving work to help pay the bills. Over the years I have developed, trained and went to University aged 39 to get the qualifications for the Job I now do.......I recently got a promotion which gave me an extra £800 per year, other than this I was getting paid the same in 2004 as I was to a few months ago, we have also seen a £1200 net pay cut over the last 3 years, in stages ending in march next year.......... There are few private sector Job that carry the same responsibilities and risk balancing that I do on a daily basis, those that are available, pay considerably more, I could walk into one of these Jobs tomorrow, I choose not to because of the security and benefits I have as a public sector worker.
There are times when I want to have a moan and a groan, feel over worked and put upon by management, but I remember having those complaints in the private sector.......
On the whole do I love my Job, despite being shat upon at times.....YES
Am I on strike? NO
Our bins will not be emptied tomorrow, I can live with that, what is forgotten on here, unless there is a nice juicy story is, the less obvious, but essential, work that is done by public service workers to provide essential services that some on oof would complain about if they were not available, and that my friends is fact.... :y
yes :y :y :y
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I read today that a lot of public sector workers in Spain had had a 15% pay cut as part of the austerity measures (that was implemented by the outgoing labour government. I wonder how that would go down in Britain?. The politicians could lead the way with their gold plated pensions and pay.
This topic seems to have polarised into "private sector paying for public sector" and yet it is a truth that all workers in both sectors among many other things pay for the publkic sector.
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We all pay for the public sector, nothing is free.
|Reality of it is we have a huge debt which has to be serviced, there are few options for this. One is to tax us all more (not a good thing at the moment), the other is to cut costs (given the increase in public sector jobs in the last 15 years and the increased cost of them I feel there is room here to do something).
The thing realy grates to me is the reality that we are ALL facing ahrdship, I myself had effectively a 20% paycut last year and no rise since, in fact during the 00's I only had 4 pay rises.
I am willing to accept cuts and impacts on myself but there are some (and its only a few looking at turnout figures for the strike polls) that are just to bloody minded and selfish.
Thankfuly, the school my children go to is still open as normal .
The terms of these pensions have not changed in decades despite the reality of the changes in the life span of the individuals, that has to change, its totaly impossible to ignore this FACT.
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They changed in 2008 actually :P
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We all pay for the public sector, nothing is free.
|Reality of it is we have a huge debt which has to be serviced, there are few options for this. One is to tax us all more (not a good thing at the moment), the other is to cut costs (given the increase in public sector jobs in the last 15 years and the increased cost of them I feel there is room here to do something).
The thing realy grates to me is the reality that we are ALL facing ahrdship, I myself had effectively a 20% paycut last year and no rise since, in fact during the 00's I only had 4 pay rises.
I am willing to accept cuts and impacts on myself but there are some (and its only a few looking at turnout figures for the strike polls) that are just to bloody minded and selfish.
Thankfuly, the school my children go to is still open as normal .
The terms of these pensions have not changed in decades despite the reality of the changes in the life span of the individuals, that has to change, its totaly impossible to ignore this FACT.
Mr DTM, you, as a good citizen ready for some sacrifice.. thats ok.. but if you analyse the money spend by the previous and current govts , you will see some people dont sacrifice anything , instead they earn more from govt.. same is true for here and there.. :(
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instead I would expect people analyse where this debit came from..
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Just looked at the Heathrow departures board and it would appear that there are no delays of any significance. What happened to the 12-hour delays? Maybe they're just letting everybody in with a wave of the hand... ;) ;)
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Just looked at the Heathrow departures board and it would appear that there are no delays of any significance. What happened to the 12-hour delays? Maybe they're just letting everybody in with a wave of the hand... ;) ;)
Nothing new there then ;D ;D
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The thing realy grates to me is the reality that we are ALL facing ahrdship, I myself had effectively a 20% paycut last year and no rise since, in fact during the 00's I only had 4 pay rises.
Yep. me too. Been paid for a 4 day week since all this began, just been working a 5 day week. ::)
Alternative would probably have been no job at all.
The public sector moan about pay rises as soon as they drop below a couple of % above inflation - well, a 20% cut plus what inflation has done to it will take some clawing back. >:(
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Forget what the news says, in the Local Authority I work in much was running as normal, certainly other departments that I needed to contact were open, I drove past the main central office on the way in today and only 3 pickets, I felt sorry for them so gave them a toot and a wave.... :y
The 'courier' came as usual and said that only 2 smaller buildings were closed, ...... ::) ::)
It has been a quiet day in the office and I was able to catch up with all sorts of things whilst waiting for that 'blue light' call that never came....... :)
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Yep. me too. Been paid for a 4 day week since all this began, just been working a 5 day week. ::)
Alternative would probably have been no job at all. .......
No idea at what you do for a living, but at what point do you tell your boss he's taking p1$$? 3 & half days pay for a 5 day week, 3 days or even 2 & half days pay?
I take it you're not a member of 'a bullying union' (ref another striking topic)
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Just looked at the Heathrow departures board and it would appear that there are no delays of any significance. What happened to the 12-hour delays? Maybe they're just letting everybody in with a wave of the hand... ;) ;)
Either way I'm happy, no knock on effects. Cameron was right, was a bit of a "damp squid"
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No idea at what you do for a living, but at what point do you tell your boss he's taking p1$$? 3 & half days pay for a 5 day week, 3 days or even 2 & half days pay?
Probably at the point you can find a job elsewhere with better conditions..
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Just looked at the Heathrow departures board and it would appear that there are no delays of any significance. What happened to the 12-hour delays? Maybe they're just letting everybody in with a wave of the hand... ;) ;)
Either way I'm happy, no knock on effects. Cameron was right, was a bit of a "damp squid"
Most squids are damp, they live in the sea ;D
Now sqibs......they're a different cuttle of fish ::)