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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 02 December 2011, 11:00:39
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... as to whether or not to convert my Retail 3.2 MV6 Auto, into a manual :-\
Apart from the odd, slightly rough gearchange, I have no 'faults' as such... I am just getting increasingly fed up with the autobox, when I want to make progress / give it some beans. I really miss the control of a manual.
I had a manual 3.0 once, and it was a whole lot of fun. I can only imagine a manual box on my 3.2, would make me smile.
It would also turn it into quite a rare beast - almost immaculate 3.2 retail MV6 Manual, with the recaro type leather etc...
What would you do?
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What would you do?
What do you think I'd say ............. ;D ;D ;D ;D
2 pedals good
3 pedals bad :y :y :y
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... as to whether or not to convert my Retail 3.2 MV6 Auto, into a manual :-\
Apart from the odd, slightly rough gearchange, I have no 'faults' as such... I am just getting increasingly fed up with the autobox, when I want to make progress / give it some beans. I really miss the control of a manual.
I had a manual 3.0 once, and it was a whole lot of fun. I can only imagine a manual box on my 3.2, would make me smile.
It would also turn it into quite a rare beast - almost immaculate 3.2 retail MV6 Manual, with the recaro type leather etc...
What would you do?
1. Select sports mode
2. select 2nd gear on auto selector
3. turn OFF CID display so fuel consumption cannot be observed
4. floor it
5. try and stop smiling.
Those who say that an auto won't "make progress" don't know how to drive one properly.
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... as to whether or not to convert my Retail 3.2 MV6 Auto, into a manual :-\
Apart from the odd, slightly rough gearchange, I have no 'faults' as such... I am just getting increasingly fed up with the autobox, when I want to make progress / give it some beans. I really miss the control of a manual.
I had a manual 3.0 once, and it was a whole lot of fun. I can only imagine a manual box on my 3.2, would make me smile.
It would also turn it into quite a rare beast - almost immaculate 3.2 retail MV6 Manual, with the recaro type leather etc...
What would you do?
dont waste your time with auto, and dont hesitate.. convert to manual.. :y
everytime I sit in the chair of miggy , my face start to smile ;D
ps: yesterday night tried an E46 325 auto for drag (just to test only).. it sucks :P
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Those who say that an auto won't "make progress" don't know how to drive one properly.
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and as in your post .......... that's the bottom line! ::) ::) ::)
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Those who say that an auto won't "make progress" don't know how to drive one properly.
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and as in your post .......... that's the bottom line! ::) ::) ::)
Exactly! Like a manual would make that much difference in a 2 ton Omega.... you aint going to turn it in to a Ferrari :y
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Elite Pete has a car with everything you need currently....
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I have to say, it depends what you're using the car for.
I hate the auto gearbox on the occasions when I want to have a play on the twisties but the reality is we have 2 manual cars in the household that do that job rather well, and the Omega is great, in auto form, for commuting, long journeys, etc. I'd still be tempted to chuck a manual in at the first hint of trouble with the auto gearbox.
If it were my only car, it'd be manual by now.
But... we're all different. As an old bloke in a brown shawl once said on film "You must do what you feel is right, of course.". ;)
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.. and then there's the other issue. The Omega's manual box isn't the best IMHO. The setup would need a bit of work to get it how I'd like it.
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... as to whether or not to convert my Retail 3.2 MV6 Auto, into a manual :-\
Apart from the odd, slightly rough gearchange, I have no 'faults' as such... I am just getting increasingly fed up with the autobox, when I want to make progress / give it some beans. I really miss the control of a manual.
I had a manual 3.0 once, and it was a whole lot of fun. I can only imagine a manual box on my 3.2, would make me smile.
It would also turn it into quite a rare beast - almost immaculate 3.2 retail MV6 Manual, with the recaro type leather etc...
What would you do?
dont waste your time with auto, and dont hesitate.. convert to manual.. :y
everytime I sit in the chair of miggy , my face start to smile ;D
ps: yesterday night tried an E46 325 auto for drag (just to test only).. it sucks :P
Do you know exactly what you want? U should choose between a more comfort :) and a much better drive feeling 8) 8) 8) . My point is as Cem's, don't hesitate - change! :y
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.. and then there's the other issue. The Omega's manual box isn't the best IMHO. The setup would need a bit of work to get it how I'd like it.
Hi ya Kevin,
In your opinion how much difference could you get in the twisties from a manual? I mean the 0-60 dash isn't that much different so just wondering if there would be a dramatic effect on country lanes?
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What's a manual? ::)
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Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.
[edit] I know one of you is going to assert they left-foot brake everywhere and thus use two feet.. I just can't remember which one of you it is, or I'd get a jab in there first :P ;D
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Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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............ Ignore all these left-leg amputees.
??? ??? ??? If you had no left leg ..... how do you press the 'stop pedal'? ??? ;) ;)
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Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.
[edit] I know one of you is going to assert they left-foot brake everywhere and thus use two feet.. I just can't remember which one of you it is, or I'd get a jab in there first :P ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.
[edit] I know one of you is going to assert they left-foot brake everywhere and thus use two feet.. I just can't remember which one of you it is, or I'd get a jab in there first :P ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
I should have known it was you :P ;D ;D
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Do it. Don't even think about it. Ignore all these left-leg amputees.
[edit] I know one of you is going to assert they left-foot brake everywhere and thus use two feet.. I just can't remember which one of you it is, or I'd get a jab in there first :P ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
I should have known it was you :P ;D ;D
I honestly feel more comfortable using two feet. Even more so in her Samrt where there's not that much room in the driver's foot well for a pair of size 10 boots. :y :y
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Those who say that an auto won't "make progress" don't know how to drive one properly.
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As many CPU drivers will attest to. :y
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What would you do?
What do you think I'd say ............. ;D ;D ;D ;D
2 pedals good
3 pedals bad :y :y :y
And for that statement of fact Andy, nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y
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What would you do?
What do you think I'd say ............. ;D ;D ;D ;D
2 pedals good
3 pedals bad :y :y :y
And for that statement of fact Andy, nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y
;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
PS what's a CPU driver :-\
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What would you do?
What do you think I'd say ............. ;D ;D ;D ;D
2 pedals good
3 pedals bad :y :y :y
And for that statement of fact Andy, nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y
;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
PS what's a CPU driver :-\
Sounds like something you'd install on a computer, to me! ;) ;D
I haven't really tried left foot braking in the Omega to be honest - last time I did that was in my knackered old Nissan Bluebird (you had to roll up to a junction with your foot on the accelerator, brake with your left foot and knock it out of gear with your hand as it wouldn't idle in D when stopped).. a number of times I emergency stopped well short of the junction :-[ (admittedly this was 15 years ago and I hadn't long been driving..)
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What would you do?
What do you think I'd say ............. ;D ;D ;D ;D
2 pedals good
3 pedals bad :y :y :y
And for that statement of fact Andy, nothing more needs to be said. 8) :y
;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
PS what's a CPU driver :-\
Close Protection Unit - used to be called VIP escorts in simpler times. ;D
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Hi ya Kevin,
In your opinion how much difference could you get in the twisties from a manual? I mean the 0-60 dash isn't that much different so just wondering if there would be a dramatic effect on country lanes?
Yes, out and out acceleration might not be much different, although it can't fail to be improved with a manual, if it's peddled competently.
I'd also add that it probably depends on your driving style.
What I find frustrating about the auto is that unless you hold it down into 2nd and keep the revs high all the time, it's up and down the box all the time, and often changes down half way round a bend, and up again with the slightest lift of the throttle, which is not helpful.
The other issue is that it provides very little engine braking to speak of, even in a low gear, because you have the soggy coupling of the torque converter between engine and wheels.
With a manual, you can set the car up in the right gear for the speed before a bend, and you then have a range from flat out acceleration to considerable engine braking available without moving your foot from the accelerator.
On an auto you have to use the brake to get any significant braking. To get to the brake you have to come off the throttle, whereby the engine settles practically to an idle (even when 2nd is manually selected the RPM drops pretty significantly). When the time comes to get back on the throttle, there's a delay while revs rise again, and then the power comes in with a bang, perhaps even an unexpected downshift of the box.
yes, I know some will tell me to left foot brake. No, thanks. I value my ability to still be able to drive a manual. ;)
The auto's gear ratios are too few and too widely spaced. Where's the fun in pushing it to the red line, only to find you lose 2500 RPM changing up and the engine's flat?
Does it make any difference speed wise? I don't know. Maybe I peddle an auto along as quick as a manual when I stick with it, and ultimate speed on a public road is not my primary concern. The experience of driving a manual "enthusiastically" is just so much more satisfying IMHO. Getting every gear change smooth, with a little blip of the throttle on downshifts to match the revs, slipping the clutch and feeding in the power just enough to get a smooth launch without wheel spin or letting the engine bog down etc. It's lovely stuff, which is all lost with an auto.
I should say that the above is just the opinion of one driver with very average driving ability and no special training or skills, other than a passion for enjoying the open road in a nice car.
I have aheard all the auto/manual qarguments many times before. They haven't altered what I, personally, find satisfying on the road. ;)
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Nicely put, Kevin - everything I'd have said, had I taken the time to do more than take the pee a little ;) So I agree entirely :y
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used to be called VIP escorts in simpler times. ;D
Isn't that a completely different forum these days? ;) ;) ;)
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What's a manual? ::)
It's the book that you'll find in the leatherette pouch that is currently stopping you from using the glovebox. :P
It might even tell you what a clutch is and how to change gear... couldn't say for certain though, because I've not read mine ::)
Nicely put, Kevin - everything I'd have said, had I taken the time to do more than take the pee a little ;) So I agree entirely :y
Seconded. I've owned 3 blue collar exec barges, 1 auto Granada Cosworth and 2 manual 3.2 Omegas. The only thing wrong with the Granada was the slush box. Omega wins hands down for me simply because of the driveability given by physically selecting the gear you want. :y
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Oh and James, you should have changed the 'box while you had the exhaust off... :-X
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yes, I know some will tell me to left foot brake. No, thanks. I value my ability to still be able to drive a manual. ;)
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My going to work & back Astra is a manual ;) ;) ;) and I can still left foot brake in my Omega & her semi-auto flappy paddle Smart! :y :y (the hardest bit about driving that is flappy paddling the gear shift, flick wiping the screen & main/dipped beam and getting the correct stalk/paddle ??? ??? ???)
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used to be called VIP escorts in simpler times. ;D
Isn't that a completely different forum these days? ;) ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D Splendid. :y
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... as to whether or not to convert my Retail 3.2 MV6 Auto, into a manual :-\
Apart from the odd, slightly rough gearchange, I have no 'faults' as such... I am just getting increasingly fed up with the autobox, when I want to make progress / give it some beans. I really miss the control of a manual.
I had a manual 3.0 once, and it was a whole lot of fun. I can only imagine a manual box on my 3.2, would make me smile.
It would also turn it into quite a rare beast - almost immaculate 3.2 retail MV6 Manual, with the recaro type leather etc...
What would you do?
1. Select sports mode
2. select 2nd gear on auto selector
3. turn OFF CID display so fuel consumption cannot be observed
4. floor it
5. try and stop smiling.
Those who say that an auto won't "make progress" don't know how to drive one properly.
:)
Those who think an auto is as fun to drive as a manual clearly arnt trying hard enough
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Those who think an auto is as fun to drive as a manual clearly arnt trying hard enough
That all depends on what type of car the auto is and what type of car the manual is .......... ;) ;)
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Given the high clutch pedal and the vibration through it, signal box style throw on the gear lever, and the dual mass fly wheel issues of the very poor manual box, the auto is far more refind and i'll stick with that thanks.
Also given my comute, the traffic even on shift hours, and going anywhere near a town means queueing, Bah, i dont miss amanual tbh.
Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
Use sport mode more imo. :)
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Although the lower combined gearing of a five speed box would be nice...
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Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
More than a slight annoyance, that drives me absolutely batty! I was so disappointed to find that the Aston & R8 behaved exactly the same way (not that I drove them long enough to find the Sport button..) :(
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Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
More than a slight annoyance, that drives me absolutely batty! I was so disappointed to find that the Aston & R8 behaved exactly the same way (not that I drove them long enough to find the Sport button..) :(
Yep, that sums up my main frustration nicely. The very essence of a RWD car is being able to squeeze the power on at the apex, or a little before if you're feeling brave, and power out of the bend rather than understeer into the ditch. At best with an auto, you've got to get on the loud pedal so early that all your braking needs to be done stupidly early. At worst, it'll decide to drop a cog just as you've balanced the amount of power with the available grip. ::)
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Oh and James, you should have changed the 'box while you had the exhaust off... :-X
Why?
I didn't have a replacement box at the time, and the exhaust had to be changed to pass the MOT / keep me road legal? :y
It's no hardship to pop it back off, if/when I change the box :y
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... as to whether or not to convert my Retail 3.2 MV6 Auto, into a manual :-\
Apart from the odd, slightly rough gearchange, I have no 'faults' as such... I am just getting increasingly fed up with the autobox, when I want to make progress / give it some beans. I really miss the control of a manual.
I had a manual 3.0 once, and it was a whole lot of fun. I can only imagine a manual box on my 3.2, would make me smile.
It would also turn it into quite a rare beast - almost immaculate 3.2 retail MV6 Manual, with the recaro type leather etc...
What would you do?
You must have better things to spend your time on than this. Auto is for our age group. If you are fighting against the advancing years then stop immediately. Take the auto for a smooth drive somewhere nice (with someone you love or like) rather than work on it
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Oh and James, you should have changed the 'box while you had the exhaust off... :-X
Why?
I didn't have a replacement box at the time, and the exhaust had to be changed to pass the MOT / keep me road legal? :y
It's no hardship to pop it back off, if/when I change the box :y
cant be that torn, as that was the perfect time to convert, with a bit of planning.
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Given the high clutch pedal and the vibration through it, signal box style throw on the gear lever, and the dual mass fly wheel issues of the very poor manual box, the auto is far more refind and i'll stick with that thanks.
Also given my comute, the traffic even on shift hours, and going anywhere near a town means queueing, Bah, i dont miss amanual tbh.
Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
Use sport mode more imo. :)
Lol, I used to find the manual an ok box to be honest (certainly mine was fine) and as we know, the DMF on these are pretty much trouble free (way more relaible than the auto box!).
As for the throw, for me it was fine but its not to hard to adjust either.......
Your clearly just getting to old, thought of buyinga pikey wagon :P ;D :y
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You must have better things to spend your time on than this. Auto is for our age group. If you are fighting against the advancing years then stop immediately. Take the auto for a smooth drive somewhere nice (with someone you love or like) rather than work on it
I am in my 20's? ::)
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You must have better things to spend your time on than this. Auto is for our age group. If you are fighting against the advancing years then stop immediately. Take the auto for a smooth drive somewhere nice (with someone you love or like) rather than work on it
I am in my 20's? ::)
I nearly posted that I thought you were a mere whippersnapper .. ;D
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Oh and James, you should have changed the 'box while you had the exhaust off... :-X
Why?
I didn't have a replacement box at the time, and the exhaust had to be changed to pass the MOT / keep me road legal? :y
It's no hardship to pop it back off, if/when I change the box :y
cant be that torn, as that was the perfect time to convert, with a bit of planning.
Just because you know having the exhaust off would be needed to do the conversion, how do you know all of the other factors (work, family, time, money) that determine whether or not I wish to convert at this time?
Middle of winter with dark nights is hardly a 'perfect' time to convert.
Just because I'm not wanting to do it immediately, doesn't mean I'm 'not that torn' about whether or not I want to do it in the long run.
The fact I had removed the exhaust to change it, is irrelivent. It's hardly a long, or difficult job, is it?
MOT was approaching, I needed to pop a new exhaust on to pass that - not faff around converting a transmission at a time that didn't suit me.
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I must admit, the auto box on my 2.6 is the worst auto box I've ever driven (and I've been driving auto's for over 30 years), it tries to be too clever.....and fails.
Having said that, I wouldn't go back to a manual gearbox.
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....awaits TuBy's input on this..... ::)
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Given the high clutch pedal and the vibration through it, signal box style throw on the gear lever, and the dual mass fly wheel issues of the very poor manual box, the auto is far more refind and i'll stick with that thanks.
Also given my comute, the traffic even on shift hours, and going anywhere near a town means queueing, Bah, i dont miss amanual tbh.
Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
Use sport mode more imo. :)
Lol, I used to find the manual an ok box to be honest (certainly mine was fine) and as we know, the DMF on these are pretty much trouble free (way more relaible than the auto box!).
As for the throw, for me it was fine but its not to hard to adjust either.......
Your clearly just getting to old, thought of buyinga pikey wagon :P ;D :y
... Oooh, Is that a nibble from Mr Steam power? ;D ;)
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A marmite subject obviously.
To use one of these impressively fancy phrases <po face on> I suppose it’s very much application dependant really <off> ;D ;D
The only thing I can say about it is that I got cheesed off pumping a clutch pedal for a fair proportion of the day all the while trying to meet the expectation of the individual in the back to have a magic carpet ride through a risk area while they spoke balls to whomever accompanied them or, in the latter years, still speaking a remarkably similar amount of balls only this time on a cellular telephone.
In terms of trying to drive a manual shift in a threat situation, the auto gives the driver greater leeway in negotiating the problem and frees them from the requirement to think about gear changes as, when you see and hear rounds hit ballistic glass, the last thing you want to do is ballick about with a gear lever and clutch pedal when control of the car and escape from the situation is the main thing to occupy a drivers mind as well as trying to assess the intensity and origin of the threat.
I always managed a wry smile when new people came into the job quite convinced that auto shifts were for Nancy boys and real drivers needed a manual to display and justify their talents – a few weeks in, and many 16 hour shifts in urban environments later, they were only too pleased to take an auto when they could get one.
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I love the mechanical "hoik the lever and thunk" feeling of the manual Omega boxes. Much better than the horrid wobbly effort with no feel that most modern cars have. Even MrsGK likes the signal box effect.
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I love the mechanical "hoik the lever and thunk" feeling of the manual Omega boxes. Much better than the horrid wobbly effort with no feel that most modern cars have. Even MrsGK likes the signal box effect.
that'll be because most 'modern cars' have a cable (or linkage of some sort) between your gear lever & the sideways gearbox miles away at the front of the car to change gear. On your Omega, the gearbox is more or less under neath your hand.
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I love the mechanical "hoik the lever and thunk" feeling of the manual Omega boxes. Much better than the horrid wobbly effort with no feel that most modern cars have. Even MrsGK likes the signal box effect.
that'll be because most 'modern cars' have a cable (or linkage of some sort) between your gear lever & the sideways gearbox miles away at the front of the car to change gear. On your Omega, the gearbox is more or less under neath your hand.
Exactly - one of a great many reasons I prefer RWD cars. But not all of them have the long throw that I love. Mainly because it's idiotproof...
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CHANGE IT TO MANUAL :y nuff said!!
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CHANGE IT TO MANUAL :y nuff said!!
+ 1 here :) :y
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CHANGE IT TO MANUAL :y nuff said!!
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Your car, your rules. :y
I like the laziness of the auto coupled with a big V6 and equally I like the manual on the DTi so you can keep it 'on the turbo'.
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when i saw the title i thought you had been to brighton for the day with no lube ;D ;D
keep it a auto :y
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experienced auto and manual on the same car.. it wont be exaggeration to say, its the difference betwen a pussy home cat and a wild tiger.. :o
no more autos , never again!!
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when i saw the title i thought you had been to brighton for the day with no lube ;D ;D
keep it a auto :y
;D ;D ;D ;D Outstanding. ;D ;D ;D
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I think the auto is more becoming the transmission for today's roads. On my daily commute along the M62/M60 etc, often we are stopped, move off, stop again etc. If I want I can drive using accelerator, when we stop, just press the brake, when we move off again change to the accelerator etc. No need to mess around with this silly gear lever thingy. ;D And you see the guy in front, moving about, changing gear, letting off the handbrake, lurching forward cause he's heavy on the clutch, spilling his coffee etc. Or you can sit with the car in gear, having to keep the clutch pedal pressed down, wearing out the clutch.
There are too many cars on the roads, so there will always be queues of traffic, so auto kind of makes sense. Around here there are few roads with twisties that haven't got all manner of road calming cr*p, so a sports car would be nice but where can I use it ?. The occasion when I feel the need for speed, I floor the pedal, the car roars nicely and accelerates beautifully, and oops that's 30MPH, slow down :'( :'( :'( . I can always go onto the motorway but that's about as much fun as a wet fart :-X :-X :-X :-X. Before long roads will be full of skoda's :-X and boxes like peug 106's doing 50MPH in the fast lane, like tonight, so enjoy our Migs while we can.
I did have to left foot brake in my last auto mig, when the diff front bearing went. If I came off the throttle, the prop shaft started vibrating up and down violently, shaking the car to bits, I had to keep revs up and keep torque on the bearing and slow down using the brakes. Got a bit busy at times.
Ken
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It was already cold and wet and dark when you did the exhaust... With the car high enough and with help swapping the box out would have taken a couple of hours. Only a day by yourself. :y
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PS only 27 (iirc) bolts. :y
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I would never go back to a manual gearbox. In today's traffic when would you ever get to use a manual to its best. I don't miss for one second the endless sitting in traffic the clutch becoming a real pain. I drive a 2.6 auto and have had no issues with it and if you know how to drive an auto properly you can still have bags off fun I do. Basically leave as an auto :y
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Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
Use sport mode more imo. :)
Change of timing required on the seat/wheel/pedal interface then..... ;) :y
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Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
Use sport mode more imo. :)
Change of timing required on the seat/wheel/pedal interface then..... ;) :y
Indeed, by some 30ft in places...followed by a "COME OOOOOONAA" >:( ... ;D
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Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
Use sport mode more imo. :)
Change of timing required on the seat/wheel/pedal interface then..... ;) :y
Indeed, by some 30ft in places...followed by a "COME OOOOOONAA" >:( ... ;D
Yup, the only way to 'drive an auto box properly' is to dump it at the side of the road and fit one that requires three pedals.. ;D
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Slight annoyance is the pick up of the auto at the apex, which is long gone by the time drive is resumed after breaking.
Use sport mode more imo. :)
Change of timing required on the seat/wheel/pedal interface then..... ;) :y
Indeed, by some 30ft in places...followed by a "COME OOOOOONAA" >:( ... ;D
Yup, the only way to 'drive an auto box properly' is to dump it at the side of the road and fit one that requires three pedals.. ;D
;D ;D :y
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sod the cambelt party idea, how about a "manual conversion party" ?
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sod the cambelt party idea, how about a "manual conversion party" ?
All roads lead to a v8 again, as i wouldnt fit that omega manual to a roller skate ;D
So a t56 box , although i've not driven one, and if going to that trouble the engine that goes with it.... I'll wait for the vxr8 i think. ;)
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I have a T56 sitting on my garage floor right now, oddly enough.. although it's not going in the Omega ;D
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What's the gear lever and extension housing like on the Omega's manual box? Never really paid attention to what it comprises.
The Ford MT75 box I've got on the westfield went from "bowl'o'porridge" to "almost as good as a T5" (haven't driven a T56) with the removal of all the spongey rubber bits in favour of a spherical bearing on a solid frame.
That just leaves the clutch pedal...
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are the 3.2 and 2.6 manual boxes the same..cause you cant convert mine to auto and have my 3 pedal stuff for your car