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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Taxi_Driver on 14 March 2008, 23:38:27
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Went to see big white chief in my office yesterday.......hes not the owner but runs the office........
I had a whinge about a scrub i had (ie no show) in Marlborough last Monday evening (i had to run about 10 miles to get there).......asked him to check it for me.......ie if genuine ok i can live with it.....if not (ie an office error) then i would like paying for it.
All our jobs get sent to a data unit in our cars......it shows pick up time (or time cust phoned) pick up place, name of customer, and usually destination
Its like big brother in our office......everything gets recorded.....all phone calls in/out get recorded......all keystrokes on their pc's by receptionists get recorded........same for the drivers......every button they press on their data units gets recorded......so basicaly anything anyone does gets recorded........tho i doubt never checked unless a dispute.....
Never seen the severs that run this.......but they must have huge disk space to record everything that goes on.......
Anyway.......big chief phoned me 15mins later....and told me he listened to the conversations that went on for my job and it was indeed office error for the pick up point.......so would credit me £15 to my account for the error :y
Dont think he liked doing that.........as i was told today he went mental at the receptionists ;D
Just thought id mention this.......as i know there are other taxi drivers on this forum...... :y
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
How much :o :o :o About £1.00 per mile up here.
Rent not bad for a week with the back up you have. :)
In the early 90's I used to Live in Hertfordshire and did a bit of Mini cabing on a weekend,I think they call in Private Hire now. £5.00 a night rent, cheap but they needed the extra drivers at the weekend. It was the Insurance that was the main problem, iirc first £30 went towards this, couldnt get part time insurance. Used to work from Cuffley station. :) :)
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
How much :o :o :o About £1.00 per mile up here.
Rent not bad for a week with the back up you have. :)
In the early 90's I used to Live in Hertfordshire and did a bit of Mini cabing on a weekend,I think they call in Private Hire now. £5.00 a night rent, cheap but they needed the extra drivers at the weekend. It was the Insurance that was the main problem, iirc first £30 went towards this, couldnt get part time insurance. Used to work from Cuffley station. :) :)
That probably a bad example........thats our minimum fare......
How to work it out is to convert the mileage to £'s/pence and add £2.60
So 1.4 miles (or anything less than that) is £1.40 + £2.60 = £4 :y
Or 10 miles is £10.00 + £2.60 = £12.60 :y
Try getting a private hire in Bath/Bristol.......then you'll think were cheap ;)
Hackneys in Swindon are cheaper than us on min fare.........but their meters will soon exceed our fares if going any reasonable distance.
My Insurance in the Omega is just about £1000 :(
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
How much :o :o :o About £1.00 per mile up here.
Rent not bad for a week with the back up you have. :)
In the early 90's I used to Live in Hertfordshire and did a bit of Mini cabing on a weekend,I think they call in Private Hire now. £5.00 a night rent, cheap but they needed the extra drivers at the weekend. It was the Insurance that was the main problem, iirc first £30 went towards this, couldnt get part time insurance. Used to work from Cuffley station. :) :)
That probably a bad example........thats our minimum fare......
How to work it out is to convert the mileage to £'s/pence and add £2.60
So 1.4 miles (or anything less than that) is £1.40 + £2.60 = £4 :y
Or 10 miles is £10.00 + £2.60 = £12.60 :y
Try getting a private hire in Bath/Bristol.......then you'll think were cheap ;)
Hackneys in Swindon are cheaper than us on min fare.........but their meters will soon exceed our fares if going any reasonable distance.
My Insurance in the Omega is just about £1000 :-/ :'( ;D:(
Thats cheap
:-/ :'( ;D
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
Is that using your own car? :-/
If not.....add another £160 min depending what car you have....
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30 quid for a car and driver to anywhere we wanted for a full day.......in Beijing!
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As to the disk storage, it will be modest. Obviously, the keystroke stuff is virtually nothing, and the call recording will be done at 6 - 11k mono, and heavily compressed. I think you would find even 20G of storage would hold tremenous amount of archive data (3 or 4 months).
The CCTV systems I've fitted for my brother have to store at least 30 days worth, from several cameras. The latest one (regularly upgrade as the feature set improves dramatically (esp with regards to remote playback) - HDD recording for such stuff is still in its infancy) does it on a 500G drive with ease (thats real time recording across several cameras, with instant retrieval). The old system had a clever way of recompressing video older than a preset limit that it deemed was 'uninteresting' which allowed a 4 camera system to record real time to 4 x 40G drives in real time - trouble was, it only took 4 drives, and there was a 40G limit per drive in firmware :(
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As to the disk storage, it will be modest. Obviously, the keystroke stuff is virtually nothing, and the call recording will be done at 6 - 11k mono, and heavily compressed. I think you would find even 20G of storage would hold tremenous amount of archive data (3 or 4 months).
The CCTV systems I've fitted for my brother have to store at least 30 days worth, from several cameras. The latest one (regularly upgrade as the feature set improves dramatically (esp with regards to remote playback) - HDD recording for such stuff is still in its infancy) does it on a 500G drive with ease (thats real time recording across several cameras, with instant retrieval). The old system had a clever way of recompressing video older than a preset limit that it deemed was 'uninteresting' which allowed a 4 camera system to record real time to 4 x 40G drives in real time - trouble was, it only took 4 drives, and there was a 40G limit per drive in firmware :(
Ah ok.......but i find it interesting that you are able to find voice recordings and keystrokes done by a receptionist so quickly.....
Never seen the system in operation........but you must be able to call up an old job.....and from there just click on various buttons to hear all voice recordings and key clicks do to with that job.....sounds quite a clever indexing system.
For example i got asked about waiting time i charged for a few months ago by one of the managers......customer wasnt happy and complained ;D
I told the manager what happened....and they could confirm by looking at the job......booked time......the time i pressed the 'picked up' button and the time i cleared the job and the area i was in when i cleared it (we get satellite tracked).......so all the timings recorded agreed with me so i was correct in charging waiting time :y
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As to the disk storage, it will be modest. Obviously, the keystroke stuff is virtually nothing, and the call recording will be done at 6 - 11k mono, and heavily compressed. I think you would find even 20G of storage would hold tremenous amount of archive data (3 or 4 months).
The CCTV systems I've fitted for my brother have to store at least 30 days worth, from several cameras. The latest one (regularly upgrade as the feature set improves dramatically (esp with regards to remote playback) - HDD recording for such stuff is still in its infancy) does it on a 500G drive with ease (thats real time recording across several cameras, with instant retrieval). The old system had a clever way of recompressing video older than a preset limit that it deemed was 'uninteresting' which allowed a 4 camera system to record real time to 4 x 40G drives in real time - trouble was, it only took 4 drives, and there was a 40G limit per drive in firmware :(
Ah ok.......but i find it interesting that you are able to find voice recordings and keystrokes done by a receptionist so quickly.....
Never seen the system in operation........but you must be able to call up an old job.....and from there just click on various buttons to hear all voice recordings and key clicks do to with that job.....sounds quite a clever indexing system.
For example i got asked about waiting time i charged for a few months ago by one of the managers......customer wasnt happy and complained ;D
I told the manager what happened....and they could confirm by looking at the job......booked time......the time i pressed the 'picked up' button and the time i cleared the job and the area i was in when i cleared it (we get satellite tracked).......so all the timings recorded agreed with me so i was correct in charging waiting time :y
not seen your system in use, but seen call centre systems doing same thing. Oracle back end for data of actions, linking to fileserver for audio.
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As to the disk storage, it will be modest. Obviously, the keystroke stuff is virtually nothing, and the call recording will be done at 6 - 11k mono, and heavily compressed. I think you would find even 20G of storage would hold tremenous amount of archive data (3 or 4 months).
The CCTV systems I've fitted for my brother have to store at least 30 days worth, from several cameras. The latest one (regularly upgrade as the feature set improves dramatically (esp with regards to remote playback) - HDD recording for such stuff is still in its infancy) does it on a 500G drive with ease (thats real time recording across several cameras, with instant retrieval). The old system had a clever way of recompressing video older than a preset limit that it deemed was 'uninteresting' which allowed a 4 camera system to record real time to 4 x 40G drives in real time - trouble was, it only took 4 drives, and there was a 40G limit per drive in firmware :(
Ah ok.......but i find it interesting that you are able to find voice recordings and keystrokes done by a receptionist so quickly.....
Never seen the system in operation........but you must be able to call up an old job.....and from there just click on various buttons to hear all voice recordings and key clicks do to with that job.....sounds quite a clever indexing system.
For example i got asked about waiting time i charged for a few months ago by one of the managers......customer wasnt happy and complained ;D
I told the manager what happened....and they could confirm by looking at the job......booked time......the time i pressed the 'picked up' button and the time i cleared the job and the area i was in when i cleared it (we get satellite tracked).......so all the timings recorded agreed with me so i was correct in charging waiting time :y
not seen your system in use, but seen call centre systems doing same thing. Oracle back end for data of actions, linking to fileserver for audio.
We changed systems last year......old one was too slow (even tho it had been upgraded to try to cope) and regularly crashed........i think was trying to monitor too much info......ie it used to 'poll' all cars all the time for their positions.......why??? New system doesnt bother after the car has a job.......it doesnt need to know anymore the position of it (altho can be checked manually)
The 'new' system still occasionally crashes but less often.......
I think the firm I work for are 'unkown' terrority for the manu's of these systems........i doubt many have tested their systems for 350+ cars with probably 150-200 cars using the system at peak times... :-/
We have 3 transmitters dotted about Swindon to try to help with coverage and spread the 'load' about. But still get timeouts sometimes caused by a blindspot and sometimes still get them when you know your parked right next to a transmitter, can only assume in the latter case the transmitter is too busy to deal with request.
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Went to see big white chief in my office yesterday.......hes not the owner but runs the office........
I had a whinge about a scrub i had (ie no show) in Marlborough last Monday evening (i had to run about 10 miles to get there).......asked him to check it for me.......ie if genuine ok i can live with it.....if not (ie an office error) then i would like paying for it.
All our jobs get sent to a data unit in our cars......it shows pick up time (or time cust phoned) pick up place, name of customer, and usually destination
Its like big brother in our office......everything gets recorded.....all phone calls in/out get recorded......all keystrokes on their pc's by receptionists get recorded........same for the drivers......every button they press on their data units gets recorded......so basicaly anything anyone does gets recorded........tho i doubt never checked unless a dispute.....
Never seen the severs that run this.......but they must have huge disk space to record everything that goes on.......
Anyway.......big chief phoned me 15mins later....and told me he listened to the conversations that went on for my job and it was indeed office error for the pick up point.......so would credit me £15 to my account for the error :y
Dont think he liked doing that.........as i was told today he went mental at the receptionists ;D
Just thought id mention this.......as i know there are other taxi drivers on this forum...... :y
Good result :y :y....you can put it towards your tax disc.....by the way do you pay the full rate as a taxi driver, or do you get a discount as its your work....rather disgusting if not.
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
Is that using your own car? :-/
If not.....add another £160 min depending what car you have....
yes owner driver. Ive no idea what the cost of a firms car would be
because it starts to get complicated then .
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Went to see big white chief in my office yesterday.......hes not the owner but runs the office........
I had a whinge about a scrub i had (ie no show) in Marlborough last Monday evening (i had to run about 10 miles to get there).......asked him to check it for me.......ie if genuine ok i can live with it.....if not (ie an office error) then i would like paying for it.
All our jobs get sent to a data unit in our cars......it shows pick up time (or time cust phoned) pick up place, name of customer, and usually destination
Its like big brother in our office......everything gets recorded.....all phone calls in/out get recorded......all keystrokes on their pc's by receptionists get recorded........same for the drivers......every button they press on their data units gets recorded......so basicaly anything anyone does gets recorded........tho i doubt never checked unless a dispute.....
Never seen the severs that run this.......but they must have huge disk space to record everything that goes on.......
Anyway.......big chief phoned me 15mins later....and told me he listened to the conversations that went on for my job and it was indeed office error for the pick up point.......so would credit me £15 to my account for the error :y
Dont think he liked doing that.........as i was told today he went mental at the receptionists ;D
Just thought id mention this.......as i know there are other taxi drivers on this forum...... :y
Good result :y :y....you can put it towards your tax disc.....by the way do you pay the full rate as a taxi driver, or do you get a discount as its your work....rather disgusting if not.
Dont be silly!! ;D The Government giving me discount!! ;D
I pay the same as everyone else.
I think it was nearly £120 for 6 months last time >:(
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
Is that using your own car? :-/
If not.....add another £160 min depending what car you have....
yes owner driver. Ive no idea what the cost of a firms car would be
because it starts to get complicated then .
Well all I can say is prices must be higher in your area and must be busy all day long then........... :-/
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
Is that using your own car? :-/
If not.....add another £160 min depending what car you have....
yes owner driver. Ive no idea what the cost of a firms car would be
because it starts to get complicated then .
Well all I can say is prices must be higher in your area and must be busy all day long then........... :-/
its been a long time since i was in the game .As for being busy Ive seen cabs plotting up at 8. 30 on a weekend night , unheard of when i was driving . Ill have to get a price chart of someone to see how things have changed. There must be something amiss to be waiting to be given a job at 8.30. I cant remember if it was my Dad or me who used to get cheaper road tax .I definitely remember it being 12 months for the price of 6 months tax, its going to annoy me all day now , until i remember :y
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
Is that using your own car? :-/
If not.....add another £160 min depending what car you have....
yes owner driver. Ive no idea what the cost of a firms car would be
because it starts to get complicated then .
Well all I can say is prices must be higher in your area and must be busy all day long then........... :-/
its been a long time since i was in the game .As for being busy Ive seen cabs plotting up at 8. 30 on a weekend night , unheard of when i was driving . Ill have to get a price chart of someone to see how things have changed. There must be something amiss to be waiting to be given a job at 8.30. I cant remember if it was my Dad or me who used to get cheaper road tax .I definitely remember it being 12 months for the price of 6 months tax, its going to annoy me all day now , until i remember :y
It was busier when i first started being a cabbie......too many at the same game now.....weekend nights waiting time would creep upto at least an hour for a car, very rare for that to happen now, 10-15mins wait max.......also depends where you saw the cars waiting for a job.......as you know....everyone comes into town w/e eves, so if you saw cars waitng for work town centre.....im not suprised......you have to be prepared to run back out to the outskirts......some drivers wont run back out.......so they just sit waiting in town for a job.....ive only just come in tonight and had a blinding day/eve.......but every time i dropped town area, i went back out again :y
Quite often messages (on a fri/sat eve) from the office get sent to the data units........saying things like '50 jobs on the board and ive got 25 cars sat town centre.......run for the work!!'
Dunno why drivers wont run for the work......ok i know fuel costs etc...but on a fri/sat eve......our fares go up....min fare is £5 :y
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
Is that using your own car? :-/
If not.....add another £160 min depending what car you have....
yes owner driver. Ive no idea what the cost of a firms car would be
because it starts to get complicated then .
Well all I can say is prices must be higher in your area and must be busy all day long then........... :-/
its been a long time since i was in the game .As for being busy Ive seen cabs plotting up at 8. 30 on a weekend night , unheard of when i was driving . Ill have to get a price chart of someone to see how things have changed. There must be something amiss to be waiting to be given a job at 8.30. I cant remember if it was my Dad or me who used to get cheaper road tax .I definitely remember it being 12 months for the price of 6 months tax, its going to annoy me all day now , until i remember :y
It was busier when i first started being a cabbie......too many at the same game now.....weekend nights waiting time would creep upto at least an hour for a car, very rare for that to happen now, 10-15mins wait max.......also depends where you saw the cars waiting for a job.......as you know....everyone comes into town w/e eves, so if you saw cars waitng for work town centre.....im not suprised......you have to be prepared to run back out to the outskirts......some drivers wont run back out.......so they just sit waiting in town for a job.....ive only just come in tonight and had a blinding day/eve.......but every time i dropped town area, i went back out again :y
Quite often messages (on a fri/sat eve) from the office get sent to the data units........saying things like '50 jobs on the board and ive got 25 cars sat town centre.......run for the work!!'
Dunno why drivers wont run for the work......ok i know fuel costs etc...but on a fri/sat eve......our fares go up....min fare is £5 :y
i used to have a saying that if my wheels were turning i was earning.
i didn't mind chasing work ,but some drivers couldn't be bothered .Re the plotting It started to get busy at 7.30 non stop till 10.45 then from 11.30 till 2am. Then we'd have the town work Bolton/Manchester that would keep us going until 4 - 4.30.
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
i was paying that in the early 90s for a single track ( 7 days +fri/sat night) the last i heard the radio rent around here is something like £200 unless some one knows different
Is that using your own car? :-/
If not.....add another £160 min depending what car you have....
yes owner driver. Ive no idea what the cost of a firms car would be
because it starts to get complicated then .
Well all I can say is prices must be higher in your area and must be busy all day long then........... :-/
its been a long time since i was in the game .As for being busy Ive seen cabs plotting up at 8. 30 on a weekend night , unheard of when i was driving . Ill have to get a price chart of someone to see how things have changed. There must be something amiss to be waiting to be given a job at 8.30. I cant remember if it was my Dad or me who used to get cheaper road tax .I definitely remember it being 12 months for the price of 6 months tax, its going to annoy me all day now , until i remember :y
It was busier when i first started being a cabbie......too many at the same game now.....weekend nights waiting time would creep upto at least an hour for a car, very rare for that to happen now, 10-15mins wait max.......also depends where you saw the cars waiting for a job.......as you know....everyone comes into town w/e eves, so if you saw cars waitng for work town centre.....im not suprised......you have to be prepared to run back out to the outskirts......some drivers wont run back out.......so they just sit waiting in town for a job.....ive only just come in tonight and had a blinding day/eve.......but every time i dropped town area, i went back out again :y
Quite often messages (on a fri/sat eve) from the office get sent to the data units........saying things like '50 jobs on the board and ive got 25 cars sat town centre.......run for the work!!'
Dunno why drivers wont run for the work......ok i know fuel costs etc...but on a fri/sat eve......our fares go up....min fare is £5 :y
i used to have a saying that if my wheels were turning i was earning.
i didn't mind chasing work ,but some drivers couldn't be bothered .Re the plotting It started to get busy at 7.30 non stop till 10.45 then from 11.30 till 2am. Then we'd have the town work Bolton/Manchester that would keep us going until 4 - 4.30.
V. true about the wheels....
I wont work after 9pmish..........dont mind taking em to the pubs....but i aint taking em home.....too much hassle....plus the problem of asault.....it happens...... >:(
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i dont think id go back to the job now even if i could .it used to amaze me that the same people that you took out at 7.30 wanted to fight you at 11.30. the demon booze i suppose.
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Went to see big white chief in my office yesterday.......hes not the owner but runs the office........
I had a whinge about a scrub i had (ie no show) in Marlborough last Monday evening (i had to run about 10 miles to get there).......asked him to check it for me.......ie if genuine ok i can live with it.....if not (ie an office error) then i would like paying for it.
All our jobs get sent to a data unit in our cars......it shows pick up time (or time cust phoned) pick up place, name of customer, and usually destination
Its like big brother in our office......everything gets recorded.....all phone calls in/out get recorded......all keystrokes on their pc's by receptionists get recorded........same for the drivers......every button they press on their data units gets recorded......so basicaly anything anyone does gets recorded........tho i doubt never checked unless a dispute.....
Never seen the severs that run this.......but they must have huge disk space to record everything that goes on.......
Anyway.......big chief phoned me 15mins later....and told me he listened to the conversations that went on for my job and it was indeed office error for the pick up point.......so would credit me £15 to my account for the error :y
Dont think he liked doing that.........as i was told today he went mental at the receptionists ;D
Just thought id mention this.......as i know there are other taxi drivers on this forum...... :y
Big Brother ain't such a bad thing in some instances ;)
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we get the same sort of appauling service from our office, they do not listen to the customer while on the phone and do not pass important messages on- for instance i had to go 35 miles to a job, the description stated phone 10 mins b4 arrival so i got to the house which would give me 10 mins to sort the back of my van out b4 cust turning up.
when i spoke to the customer she said the office op was told bell 45 mins b4, so as i had other customers waiting i could not hang around. these people in the office do not want to take any responsibility for any job and lie,lie their way out of any situation- disgusting.
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Your Taxis must be expensive with those overheads, Your rent must be massive.
Not a Taxi Driver. ;D
Good result on your money though. :D :D
Were actually very cheap......£4 for 1.4 miles....
Dont mind saying i pay my office £105/week radio rent
Up here we charge about £2 for the 1st mile and about £1 a mile after that. My radio rental is £85 a week with a 5% surcharge for a double shifted car.
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In Milton Keynes there is a cartel of 2 cab firms, who seemed to have the councilliors on the payroll as well, meaning there are not enough cabs.
Last company that started up just outside MK's control was torched within a few days.
They have a scam in the centre at night where you have to pay £1 (non refundable) to join a long queue waiting for cabs - similar to cheese counter in supermarkets, though you'll still wait an hour or more. Tossers.
Last time I tried to get a cab from Bicester train station home (admittedly about 1am), I was told about a 2hr wait (and it was below freezing). Not sure what was colder, the air, or Mrs TheBoy's shoulder when she had to come out and get me ;D