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Title: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 08 December 2011, 15:43:10
When I brake the car pulls towards the right, and afterwards the steering feels very heavy. Then when I go over a bump the steering flicks back to normal position, and when I fully lock the steering it doesn’t come back by itself

I have had all new front suspension put in, new brake pads, callipers and discs

I own a Vauxhall Omega 2003 CDX 2.6 V6

Can anyone please help ??
Title: Re: Handling Problem
Post by: fiend61 on 08 December 2011, 15:48:05
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When I brake the car pulls towards the right
sticking caliper  :-\

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when I fully lock the steering it doesn’t come back by itself

tired power steering pump  :-\
power steering fluid  :-\
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: woodoo on 08 December 2011, 16:29:13
Have you had wheel tracking and Alignment after you put all new front suspension?
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 08 December 2011, 16:36:08
Wow, thanks for the extremely quick replies.

Yes, i have had 4 wheel alignment.

I am on the case to find a new pair of calipers for the car, but can anyone tell me how much a new Power Steering Pump for my car would cost ?

and again Thanks
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: fiend61 on 08 December 2011, 16:43:45
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I am on the case to find a new pair of calipers for the car, but can anyone tell me how much a new Power Steering Pump for my car would cost ?
i am not saying these are the causes just something to look into to eliminate them  :y
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 08 December 2011, 16:49:00
I understand, but its worth trying, as you said to eliminate that factor. Although they are brand new :S
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: feeutfo on 08 December 2011, 19:17:27
So this is how we diagnose is it? Randomly changing parts in a hope of stumbling accross the issue is masively expensive and ultimately usually frustrating resulting in car for sale when the owner thriws in the towl.

What exactly is the history with the car? Ie;
What work has been done and by who? And when did the problem start ?

I have a hunch but lets get some sense into this thread before we start guessing.


Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: feeutfo on 08 December 2011, 19:18:43
Oh and welcome to oof Ninda. ;)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: TheBoy on 08 December 2011, 19:21:57
Indeed, knowing when this started, and what work had been done and when, is essential to assist.

Don't change parts willy nilly, as that can be expensive and unproductive.  I doubt the PAS pump is failing TBH.
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: freecall666 on 09 December 2011, 01:25:22
have you jacked up the front and wiggled the wheels side to side. then top to bottom see if you notice somthing. if nothing holed a wheel and get some one to turn steering wheel see if that shows any thing..
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 09 December 2011, 15:21:04
True and thanks :)

Well the parts where all fitted by a garage, and the calipers i fitted myself, and done all the standard stuff to them, like bleeding them... The old calipers did the same but not as much as the new ones, these new ones i have to tightly grip the steering wheel before i brake to make sure it doesnt turn a lot, and the steering becomes very stiff/heavy. Then once i hit a bump it flicks back and runs as normal. This happens every time i brake.

As for when, well after the garage replaced the suspension, brake pads and discs it was all fine, but about a month later this problem started, so i thought the caliper had ceased, so i replaced both front calipers, and the problem continued, and has gradually got worse. So as i said i just replaced them before, but i didnt make it clear exactly when and how it happened, my bad. So im going with the calipers are not the component at fault.

The car is just used to daily commutting to work, and social things, nothing harsh, calm driving.


Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: ngrainqey on 09 December 2011, 17:38:03
what are the wishbone bushes and steering idler like?
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: feeutfo on 09 December 2011, 20:02:54
Your wishbone bolts are loose, fairly sure, or sure as i can be from the wrong end of a key board anyway. They should be tightened wheels loaded/suspension compressed to normal ride hight, to 120nm + angle tighten 30 degrees, plus another 15 degrees.

If you like, as i work in slough, i can do that for you and check it over. If the bolts are loose then the bolts may be damaged or worn though. May need replacing, but not expensive.

Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 11 December 2011, 19:26:47
Ahh i see, yeah that is a lot less expensive than what i was planning on doing :)

Thanks but no thanks  8), im going to drop the car off at the garage tommorrow, and let me deal with it :). Ill tell them what you have said, and they should fix it all. I am also putting in all new rear suspension as rear shock is leaking. It seems as if i getting problems after problems with this car, but i will stick with it :)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: hotel21 on 11 December 2011, 20:15:49
You say the calipers were fitted by yourself.  Were they brand spankers new (reconditioned) or second hand ones from a breaker?

If the car drove straight and true before being worked on then its the work that has to be re-examined?

Either sticking/lazy caliper, air in caliper or start looking a suspension components.  Bear in mind that all roads have a crossfall or camber built into them by the roads engineers to ensure water drains correctly.  Ensure that the car pull is not influenced by said crossfall and do testing on flat roads.   :y
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 13 December 2011, 07:12:51
Yeah i fitted them, and yeah they were new (recondition).

But the car goign towards the right is the reason i put new ones in, so i cant be the brake calipers, must be else where. Well the car is the garage now, will see how it goes when i get it back sometime this or next week.
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 16 December 2011, 15:31:19
Well the bolts have been replaced, and i still got more of the same :(

So i sent it to Vauxhall Garage, and they come back saying that i need to replace everything that i just replaced, and put a new pair of tyres, even though i got new tyres fitted 2months ago. They basically gave me a whole list of things that they want to make off me for :(. Not good :(
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: millwall on 16 December 2011, 15:34:17
Well the bolts have been replaced, and i still got more of the same :(

So i sent it to Vauxhall Garage, and they come back saying that i need to replace everything that i just replaced, and put a new pair of tyres, even though i got new tyres fitted 2months ago. They basically gave me a whole list of things that they want to make off me for :(. Not good :(


my advice would be get one of the experts on here to take a look   you will at least then get a propper diagnosis
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Webby the Bear on 16 December 2011, 15:36:50
Well the bolts have been replaced, and i still got more of the same :(

So i sent it to Vauxhall Garage, and they come back saying that i need to replace everything that i just replaced, and put a new pair of tyres, even though i got new tyres fitted 2months ago. They basically gave me a whole list of things that they want to make off me for :(. Not good :(

I'm sorry but I would take Chris up on his kind offer.

Vauxhall Dealers ARE completely useless. The guys on here know what they're talking about.

But obviously it's your dosh you're ultimately going to waste  ;)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: feeutfo on 16 December 2011, 15:39:59
You better bring it round here, if you had said you where taking it to a dealer there would be replies screaming NO!

What they have said is of no suprise what so ever.

I will not charge if thats what your worried about, just a donation to the tool fund "if" we make progress with the issue.
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Webby the Bear on 16 December 2011, 15:44:51
You better bring it round here, if you had said you where taking it to a dealer there would be replies screaming NO!

What they have said is of no suprise what so ever.

I will not charge if thats what your worried about, just a donation to the tool fund "if" we make progress with the issue.

Top man!!!  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: feeutfo on 16 December 2011, 15:54:33
You better bring it round here, if you had said you where taking it to a dealer there would be replies screaming NO!

What they have said is of no suprise what so ever.

I will not charge if thats what your worried about, just a donation to the tool fund "if" we make progress with the issue.

Top man!!!  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Steady, havent even looked at it yet. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Webby the Bear on 16 December 2011, 15:57:22
You better bring it round here, if you had said you where taking it to a dealer there would be replies screaming NO!

What they have said is of no suprise what so ever.

I will not charge if thats what your worried about, just a donation to the tool fund "if" we make progress with the issue.

Top man!!!  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Steady, havent even looked at it yet. ;D ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Entwood on 16 December 2011, 16:02:57
You better bring it round here, if you had said you where taking it to a dealer there would be replies screaming NO!

What they have said is of no suprise what so ever.

I will not charge if thats what your worried about, just a donation to the tool fund "if" we make progress with the issue.

Top man!!!  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Steady, havent even looked at it yet. ;D ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

You haven't seen his "tool collection" either .. I just thought he kept them very clean .. didn't realise they were gold plated ....  :)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Webby the Bear on 16 December 2011, 16:11:24
You better bring it round here, if you had said you where taking it to a dealer there would be replies screaming NO!

What they have said is of no suprise what so ever.

I will not charge if thats what your worried about, just a donation to the tool fund "if" we make progress with the issue.

Top man!!!  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Steady, havent even looked at it yet. ;D ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

You haven't seen his "tool collection" either .. I just thought he kept them very clean .. didn't realise they were gold plated ....  :)

Hahaha i'd love to see the OP's face if that was true and his minimum ''donation'' was £4,700 hahahaha ;)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: feeutfo on 16 December 2011, 16:13:06
You better bring it round here, if you had said you where taking it to a dealer there would be replies screaming NO!

What they have said is of no suprise what so ever.

I will not charge if thats what your worried about, just a donation to the tool fund "if" we make progress with the issue.

Top man!!!  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Steady, havent even looked at it yet. ;D ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

You haven't seen his "tool collection" either .. I just thought he kept them very clean .. didn't realise they were gold plated ....  :)
Those only come out for "certain members" Enty.  :-*
 ;D
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: Ninda on 23 December 2011, 10:44:18
Sorry for the late reply, but I did tell me son to tell you guys that I have got the problem fixed.

I took it a different garage and they told me straight away that the Wishbone is loose, I’m not going back to the previous garage again, and whatever they did must have damaged the wishbone and what not :(. But thanks for a very generous mate of mine, I got a pair of two used but in great condition Wishbones, and top mounts, and had them replaced by the new garage and everything is fine so far :)

Ooo and thanks again for the offering Chris, I would of have asked you to come although I didn’t see your reply, and my son didn’t tell me that you have replied :(
But thanks a lot everyone for your input :)

Although Chris where is your garage? I’ll come straight to you if anything pops up again, and also send my mate if he needs help with his 3.2 Elite :), he just brought it and he needs some work done on it, he will probably do it himself, and if he cant fix it then ill tell him to come to you :)
Title: Re: Steering Problem
Post by: feeutfo on 24 December 2011, 16:43:20
Glad its fixed Ninda, pm replied to. :)