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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: hotel21 on 09 December 2011, 23:05:26
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Gas boiler at my house is at least 24 years old and simple as simple can be. No doubt its innefficient and she and I decided that, rather than move, we should tidy the nest a tad whillst time and cash enable us to do so.
Boiler was serviced as per contract last week and appointment arranged for a heating advisor to call and suss out the what and wherefors of an upgrade.
Summarised as change to a combi boiler, repositioned into an airing cupboard rather than in the kitchen. Radiators and existing plumbing, by and large, remaining as per. Only plumbing change is the run of external gas pipe and the copperwork to join the new boiler into existing system. Change of location for this means roughly, 10 feet of copper into existing pipework of hot water cylinder which will thereafter be redundant. Gas supply, however, is an extension of perhaps 50 feet (but thats a guess).
Cost of a Gas Board branded Bosch combi boiler is circa £1200.
Any guess as to quoted completed job price?
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Good lord.. I had much the same done with the exception of extending gas pipework (though he did have to re-run part of the pipe from meter to boiler) for not much more than the cost you've been quoted for the boiler alone!
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Between 3-4 bags of sand?
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Enough to soak up any efficiency savings for the foreseeable future, I guess... If the old one's not broke? ;)
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Enough to soak up any efficiency savings for the foreseeable future, I guess... If the old one's not broke? ;)
Nail and head.....
Savings circa £350 per year ref. burn efficiency.
Thats countered by 'reduced spares availability' (same story for past 8 - 10 years, TBH) and found out that its the actual burn casting thats unavailable. Given the lack of circuitry etc no real need to change, perhaps.......
.....seeing as it will be in excess of 13 years before this saving will let me break even FFS...... ::)
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Enough to soak up any efficiency savings for the foreseeable future, I guess... If the old one's not broke? ;)
That's the conclusion I have come to regarding ours, again quite old, stripped a similar one down for parts so they are covered as well for some time.....I recon I would be dead before I saved any money....... ::) ::) ::)
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Thats.... Steep. Tbh. Although all things are relative, ie, best quote we had was £2400 fitted. Similar situation to yours.
But when compared to what we actually paid, with numerous extras, as we know a heating engineer(Biker, trained plumber, sparky, gas safe or whatever it is) that original quote then became expensive compared to what we actually paid. Which we believe to be a good deal, although still plenty of room for mark up and profit for two days comfortably. Dont begrudge that at all, did a great job.
Condensing boiler re sited in the garage. Megaflow(?)
Power flush etc
New wireless stat, Drayton
New cotrol unit, honeywell
Monsoon water pump to boost water pressure from loft tank
Larger hot water tank to cope with geater flow.
Rad valves in major rooms x5 (honeywell being cheapest that are worth having)
Plus ph balance system at a differant address.
2,200 total partly cash payment. As a guide... ? :-\
Bit far from the Forth though.
But does explane why hes so mega busy and difficult to get hold of. Hes flat out.
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So given the boiler price quoted, guessing 3k ish completed...?
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I can beat you on the age of your boiler H21.....mines 30years old....very inefficient, but very simple and keeps going and going.....
I did ask 3 plumbers to give me quote however, just for a 'bog standard' replacement boiler, in the same place as ancient one, feeding hot water tank (not a combi) .
Only one bothered to phone with a quote......£1580.....that was for a 15kw boiler, iirc
That quote included a power flush.....but me to install a room stat (which i've done, cordless one off fleabay, £32) and i already have stats on all the rads. (which you apparently need for the current regs)
I was thinking of waiting for this scheme....I selected 'Scotland' as to where i live and it still popped up.....so should be available to those 'ooopp north'
http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/scotland/Take-action/Grants-and-savings/Green-Deal
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Foobared this up :D
PS.....Why carnt you delete a post :-\
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Foobared this up :D
PS.....Why carnt you delete a post :-\
So we can all laugh at the mistakes! ;D ;D
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So given the boiler price quoted, guessing 3k ish completed...?
Try four and a half grand,,,,,,,,
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We needed a new boiler. Got BG round for a quote - £9,500 :o
Had a couple of local guys round - similar price for a 40kw Bosch condensing conventional boiler. There was a lot of pipework required with powerflushing etc. Both said it would take 6 days and thats what it took. Price was £3150 of which something less than half was the boiler leaving the rest for labour/materials - which was fair in my view.
How on earth BG could quote 3 times that is totally beyond me.
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Last boiler I changed (for Mrs TB's dad) cost us around £700 by the time the ancilleries were bought, and we'd paid the Corgi guy to test. Bulk of that was £600 for the boiler itself.
I have yet to see and use a usable combi. Even my bro's floor to ceiling whopper suffers with 2 taps on. A guy at work keeps saying how wonderful his is, and how its the best thing since sliced bread, but then moans how they have to queue for hot water, rather than use both bathrooms together.
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My daughter just had a proper job done on shower with combi boiler and it is now fine for the first time ever. Plumber had to re-engineer pipe work as previously feeds were wrong way round. Not cheap mind.
At my place we have a condensing boiler and power showers - limiting factor is the size of hot water tank if you have house full.
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Try four and a half grand,,,,,,,,
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Daylight robbery.
I have yet to see and use a usable combi.
I think it's a case of putting up with their limitations if you really want to save a few quid on your gas bill. Certainly no use with more than a couple in a house, IMHO. Then again, maybe releasing some space is an additional advantage in some cases.
.. and, of course, in 25 years time you won't be saying that your 25 year old combi boiler is still going strong. ;)
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So given the boiler price quoted, guessing 3k ish completed...?
Try four and a half grand,,,,,,,,
Had a similar quote from British Gas a few years ago - got a "known" good guy in instead - bought boiler at trade and it took him a day to install - so he got £400 for a Saturday install (he travelled from bristol) and total job about £1000.
He was Corgi as well (as that was the approval system at the time).
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So given the boiler price quoted, guessing 3k ish completed...?
Try four and a half grand,,,,,,,,
Please please please tell me you punched him squarely in the face...
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We couldnt have a combi, as it wouodnt keep up with flow of extra pump.
Not that we wanted one anyway.
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Gas boiler at my house is at least 24 years old and simple as simple can be. No doubt its innefficient and she and I decided that, rather than move, we should tidy the nest a tad whillst time and cash enable us to do so.
Boiler was serviced as per contract last week and appointment arranged for a heating advisor to call and suss out the what and wherefors of an upgrade.
Summarised as change to a combi boiler, repositioned into an airing cupboard rather than in the kitchen. Radiators and existing plumbing, by and large, remaining as per. Only plumbing change is the run of external gas pipe and the copperwork to join the new boiler into existing system. Change of location for this means roughly, 10 feet of copper into existing pipework of hot water cylinder which will thereafter be redundant. Gas supply, however, is an extension of perhaps 50 feet (but thats a guess).
Cost of a Gas Board branded Bosch combi boiler is circa £1200.
Any guess as to quoted completed job price?
I used to run some small letting properties, all had combi's, and my experience of combis is that I would only fit one if unable to fit a conventional indirect condenser boiler. Two years ago I had a Viessmann Vitodens 200W fitted for £1985, less £300 grant from taxpayers, done by a Gassafe local independent. BG will cost at least 3 times as much. If you already have an indirect system, with a hot tank in the airing cupboard, I would strongly recommend staying with it, unless you really have to move the boiler into it. Try DIYnot.com for advice on boiler selection and further info. :y :y :y
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Must have a dodgy install here or something considering the costs quoted. Two years ago we had no boiler central heating etc at all. We had a brand new combi fitted, the house completely piped for the system and the gas feed and six brand new rads, £1500 cash and inc in that was three years free servicing on the boiler (once a year) and 10 years warranty on the boiler. No complaints so far.
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Last boiler I changed (for Mrs TB's dad) cost us around £700 by the time the ancilleries were bought, and we'd paid the Corgi guy to test. Bulk of that was £600 for the boiler itself.
I have yet to see and use a usable combi. Even my bro's floor to ceiling whopper suffers with 2 taps on. A guy at work keeps saying how wonderful his is, and how its the best thing since sliced bread, but then moans how they have to queue for hot water, rather than use both bathrooms together.
needs a booster tank so one bathrooms fed of that so dont let the plumber throwaway well scrap your old how water tank if you got an ensuite etc theres nothing stopping the combi from filling that up too plus if the boiler breaks down you canb still use the immersion heater :y
generally we get charged about £2200 for a bolier replacment and about £2750 with rads all inc flues remote stats flushing and the latest mag filter boliers are always worcster bosch mainley 35cdi and thats with a small commission for ourselves ::) and the plumbers fee all,gas safe etc :y
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and beware of BG srvice contracts what you pay them you could replace the boiler every 3 years wich includes a manufactureres 3 year warrenty included imo better off extending the manufacturers warrenty if its a mainstream boiler then service is generally very good plus when things arnt covered BG are very expensive eg one of my clients they tried to charge her £750 to flush the system and another £580 to fit one of these new mag filters we did the whole job for £500 and made a little bit of proffit ::) :-[
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I've got a combi boiler, after only knowing standard setups until buying my flat, its great having hot water on demand without having to have it spark up 30 mins before you need hot water.
Never had a problem with hot water, but its only a 1 bed flat not a house with multiple bathrooms.
Also combination of 1930's building and crap insulation, its heating can struggle. But I think that's down to rubbish radiators, been thinking of getting some new ones & having the system flushed :-\
For a house, I'd vote no on a combi :y
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and beware of BG srvice contracts what you pay them you could replace the boiler every 3 years wich includes a manufactureres 3 year warrenty included imo better off extending the manufacturers warrenty if its a mainstream boiler then service is generally very good plus when things arnt covered BG are very expensive eg one of my clients they tried to charge her £750 to flush the system and another £580 to fit one of these new mag filters we did the whole job for £500 and made a little bit of proffit ::) :-[
^^^^^^^^^^^^ in spades! :y :y :y
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I've got a combi boiler, after only knowing standard setups until buying my flat, its great having hot water on demand without having to have it spark up 30 mins before you need hot water.
I just leave my water on 24/7. That way, I can guarantee hot water at any time. I don't believe it actually costs noticibly more to have it on 24/7.
My heating is on 24/7 as well, but the stat adjusts temp based on time of day. And Mrs TB knows its not to be touched by female fingers!
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I've got a combi boiler, after only knowing standard setups until buying my flat, its great having hot water on demand without having to have it spark up 30 mins before you need hot water.
I just leave my water on 24/7. That way, I can guarantee hot water at any time. I don't believe it actually costs noticibly more to have it on 24/7.
It did with my old tanked system - then again there was no insulation on the tank at all, just a plain copper tank (circa 1970) in the airing cupboard. Made the cupboard nice and warm, though!
Combi boiler now, no problem having both the upstairs & downstairs shower on at the same time and the kitchen sink in use as well.. unlike my folks place, where they have a mixer shower not a thermostatic one and generally try to scald and/or freeze my nads off every time I get in the shower there. ;D
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It did with my old tanked system - then again there was no insulation on the tank at all, just a plain copper tank (circa 1970) in the airing cupboard. Made the cupboard nice and warm, though!
Mine is one of those with the foam at part of the tank. Besides, all the crap she keeps in there gives perfect insulation ;D
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It did with my old tanked system - then again there was no insulation on the tank at all, just a plain copper tank (circa 1970) in the airing cupboard. Made the cupboard nice and warm, though!
Mine is one of those with the foam at part of the tank. Besides, all the crap she keeps in there gives perfect insulation ;D
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My (circa 1985) flat had a foam insulated tank - the airing cupboard always stayed pretty cool and so I left the h/w on full time like you do.. definitely not the case with a plain copper tank, even after I wrapped one of those blanket things around it (which my plumber helpfully told me do the square root of diddley) - the airing cupboard was probably the same temperature as the hot water ;D and it didn't stay hot long :(
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It did with my old tanked system - then again there was no insulation on the tank at all, just a plain copper tank (circa 1970) in the airing cupboard. Made the cupboard nice and warm, though!
Mine is one of those with the foam at part of the tank. Besides, all the crap she keeps in there gives perfect insulation ;D
;D
My (circa 1985) flat had a foam insulated tank - the airing cupboard always stayed pretty cool and so I left the h/w on full time like you do.. definitely not the case with a plain copper tank, even after I wrapped one of those blanket things around it (which my plumber helpfully told me do the square root of diddley) - the airing cupboard was probably the same temperature as the hot water ;D and it didn't stay hot long :(
I've got an old copper tank.....after I sorted the rat problem (they were getting into the hot water tank cupboard and shredding the insulation jacket) I put two jackets on the tank (only 3 squid each form Wickes) and theres now no noticable difference in temp in the cupboard and the hot water stays hot all day. ie hot water was on for 45mins this morning at 5am....ive had a shower, the washing machine has been helping itself to the hot water.....just washed my hands just now, ok its not 60C but its perfectly hot enough to wash hands etc which i think is pretty good considering most of the hot has been replaced with cold by now :)
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Ohhh forgot to add......it also certainly makes a difference if all pipes have insulation on them, ive even insulated the feed and return going to the boiler :y
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It did with my old tanked system - then again there was no insulation on the tank at all, just a plain copper tank (circa 1970) in the airing cupboard. Made the cupboard nice and warm, though!
Mine is one of those with the foam at part of the tank. Besides, all the crap she keeps in there gives perfect insulation ;D
;D
My (circa 1985) flat had a foam insulated tank - the airing cupboard always stayed pretty cool and so I left the h/w on full time like you do.. definitely not the case with a plain copper tank, even after I wrapped one of those blanket things around it (which my plumber helpfully told me do the square root of diddley) - the airing cupboard was probably the same temperature as the hot water ;D and it didn't stay hot long :(
I've got an old copper tank.....after I sorted the rat problem (they were getting into the hot water tank cupboard and shredding the insulation jacket) I put two jackets on the tank (only 3 squid each form Wickes) and theres now no noticable difference in temp in the cupboard and the hot water stays hot all day. ie hot water was on for 45mins this morning at 5am....ive had a shower, the washing machine has been helping itself to the hot water.....just washed my hands just now, ok its not 60C but its perfectly hot enough to wash hands etc which i think is pretty good considering most of the hot has been replaced with cold by now :)
Have you got that poor dog taking in washing now? :o :o