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Title: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 16:13:03
What the difference between the two
what to look out for and what to avoid
any comments appreciated, but in English piease  :D  
thanks
     Darren
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: miggy on 17 March 2008, 16:15:30
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What the difference between the two
what to look out for and what to avoid
any comments appreciated, but in English piease  :D  
thanks
     Darren

I think i heard that the plasma tvs dont last as long as lcd, dont quote me, but i am sure a rep at comet told me that when i bought my HD.

I also belive the plasma is a much clearer picture.no doubt the tech wizards on here will let you know.

 :y :y
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: PaulW on 17 March 2008, 16:19:32
Plasma don't last as long as LCD
Plasma require much more power
Plasma will burn static pictures onto the display

LCD is more £££ per inch than plasma
LCD uses less power
LCD has a better contrast ratio IMHO
LCD sufferes sometimes from poor saturation or colour on cheap units
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 16:21:12
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What the difference between the two
what to look out for and what to avoid
any comments appreciated, but in English piease  :D  
thanks
     Darren

I think i heard that the plasma tvs dont last as long as lcd, dont quote me, but i am sure a rep at comet told me that when i bought my HD.

I also belive the plasma is a much clearer picture.no doubt the tech wizards on here will let you know.
 :y :y
that's what I'm hoping for.Idont mind looking a Pratt in the shop but i don't want to A,be lied to and B, be given a load of BS just so a rep can make a sale

Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 March 2008, 16:24:21
LCDs are probably the ones to go for. Plasma are indeed more fragile and have a limited life. They used to give vastly superior contrast but LCDs have been catching up fast. They are also quite power hungry so run hot.

For an idea of their lifetime have a look at one used as a dsiplay in an airport or similar where a logo has been displayed for hours on end. You'll see it burnt into the screen.

For more detail, as always, Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_crystal_display_television
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display

Kevin
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 16:24:24
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Plasma don't last as long as LCD
Plasma require much more power
Plasma will burn static pictures onto the display

LCD is more £££ per inch than plasma
LCD uses less power
LCD has a better contrast ratio IMHO
LCD sufferes sometimes from poor saturation or colour on cheap units
what youve just said about poor saturation is that to do with pixels
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 March 2008, 16:29:43
LCDs can also be a bit slow to respond to rapidly changing detail, such as when watching sport, for example. This caused moving details, etc, to leave a "trail" behind them on earlier sets but this aspect of LCDs has also improved considerably.

Kevin
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 16:36:25
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LCDs can also be a bit slow to respond to rapidly changing detail, such as when watching sport, for example. This caused moving details, etc, to leave a "trail" behind them on earlier sets but this aspect of LCDs has also improved considerably.

Kevin
thanks for the links Kevin ,what would you suggest  as a starting point for me to look at price versus quality type of thing
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 16:37:43
Things to consider

Plasma technolgy is based around micro vaccum tubes and requrie highish vohtages to get the phospher to glow. The drives for these pixels/cells is both complex (requries a pre-charge, strike and discharge cycle) and power hungry.

The plus point is that plasma is an emmissive technology as in it emits its own light.

LCD on the other had has come on in leaps and bounds in the last few years. Its now get contrast ratios comparable with plasma, uses less power and is now regarded as more reliable.

Its not am emmissive technology though, its pasive so requires a back light.

For me, on TV's, there is no choice required, its LCD all the way.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 16:40:00
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What the difference between the two
what to look out for and what to avoid
any comments appreciated, but in English piease  :D  
thanks
     Darren

I think i heard that the plasma tvs dont last as long as lcd, dont quote me, but i am sure a rep at comet told me that when i bought my HD.

I also belive the plasma is a much clearer picture.no doubt the tech wizards on here will let you know.
 :y :y
that's what I'm hoping for.Idont mind looking a Pratt in the shop but i don't want to A,be lied to and B, be given a load of BS just so a rep can make a sale



Dont buy from a shop, just use it to browse and then buy off the net to save valuable £££££'s
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 16:41:05
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LCDs can also be a bit slow to respond to rapidly changing detail, such as when watching sport, for example. This caused moving details, etc, to leave a "trail" behind them on earlier sets but this aspect of LCDs has also improved considerably.

Kevin

Not in the last 2-3 years, they now have as fast a response time as some CRT's

Dont forget that most of the blurr you see is down to compression of the source.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 16:42:21
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Things to consider

Plasma technolgy is based around micro vaccum tubes and requrie highish vohtages to get the phospher to glow. The drives for these pixels/cells is both complex (requries a pre-charge, strike and discharge cycle) and power hungry.

The plus point is that plasma is an emmissive technology as in it emits its own light.

LCD on the other had has come on in leaps and bounds in the last few years. Its now get contrast ratios comparable with plasma, uses less power and is now regarded as more reliable.

Its not am emmissive technology though, its pasive so requires a back light.

For me, on TV's, there is no choice required, its LCD all the way.
Any recommendations Mark.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 16:42:29
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LCDs can also be a bit slow to respond to rapidly changing detail, such as when watching sport, for example. This caused moving details, etc, to leave a "trail" behind them on earlier sets but this aspect of LCDs has also improved considerably.

Kevin
thanks for the links Kevin ,what would you suggest  as a starting point for me to look at price versus quality type of thing


I have seen in a local shop 4 46" Sony set up all same age.
D V W & X models

D was worst, V not much better, W & X very similar, all running a BR film on HDMI. Big difference in prices, W is best for money and if I couldn't afford it say - I'd go smaller.

As to recommends depends on budget and size. But I noticed differences from 4 from the same manufacturer
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 16:48:21
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Things to consider

Plasma technolgy is based around micro vaccum tubes and requrie highish vohtages to get the phospher to glow. The drives for these pixels/cells is both complex (requries a pre-charge, strike and discharge cycle) and power hungry.

The plus point is that plasma is an emmissive technology as in it emits its own light.

LCD on the other had has come on in leaps and bounds in the last few years. Its now get contrast ratios comparable with plasma, uses less power and is now regarded as more reliable.

Its not am emmissive technology though, its pasive so requires a back light.

For me, on TV's, there is no choice required, its LCD all the way.
Any recommendations Mark.

Price and size is key....plus your planned use.

True HD is worth forking out for but, generaly only appears on the larger screens. (Plasma its hard to make good Plasma true HD screens in the smaller sizes to).

Best all rounder is still Samsung.....
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: miggy on 17 March 2008, 16:52:10
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Things to consider

Plasma technolgy is based around micro vaccum tubes and requrie highish vohtages to get the phospher to glow. The drives for these pixels/cells is both complex (requries a pre-charge, strike and discharge cycle) and power hungry.

The plus point is that plasma is an emmissive technology as in it emits its own light.

LCD on the other had has come on in leaps and bounds in the last few years. Its now get contrast ratios comparable with plasma, uses less power and is now regarded as more reliable.

Its not am emmissive technology though, its pasive so requires a back light.

For me, on TV's, there is no choice required, its LCD all the way.
Any recommendations Mark.

Price and size is key....plus your planned use.

True HD is worth forking out for but, generaly only appears on the larger screens. (Plasma its hard to make good Plasma true HD screens in the smaller sizes to).

Best all rounder is still Samsung.....

I find Phillips to be tops also, I used to buy nothing but Samsung, even now my cinema sound is amsung but i do find the Phillips tv to be excellent. IMHO
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: omegaman2 on 17 March 2008, 16:54:43
this months what tv comes with the complete guide to hd viewing :y
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Elite Pete on 17 March 2008, 16:54:57
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Things to consider

Plasma technolgy is based around micro vaccum tubes and requrie highish vohtages to get the phospher to glow. The drives for these pixels/cells is both complex (requries a pre-charge, strike and discharge cycle) and power hungry.

The plus point is that plasma is an emmissive technology as in it emits its own light.

LCD on the other had has come on in leaps and bounds in the last few years. Its now get contrast ratios comparable with plasma, uses less power and is now regarded as more reliable.

Its not am emmissive technology though, its pasive so requires a back light.

For me, on TV's, there is no choice required, its LCD all the way.
Any recommendations Mark.

Price and size is key....plus your planned use.

True HD is worth forking out for but, generaly only appears on the larger screens. (Plasma its hard to make good Plasma true HD screens in the smaller sizes to).

Best all rounder is still Samsung.....
Hmmmm, Im not happy with mine, its only 14 weeks old and its faulty. Samsung want to replace the panel but ive told them I want a new one but they wont swap it >:(
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zirk on 17 March 2008, 16:56:55
All as above, plus Plasma's have a wider viewing angle over LCD.

If your intrested in a big one 52inch HD Plasma (I think its either Samsung or LG) let me know?
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 17:01:04
how dose a Samsung PS 42/50 c96hd sound to give me an idea ??
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 March 2008, 17:03:53
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Hmmmm, Im not happy with mine, its only 14 weeks old and its faulty. Samsung want to replace the panel but ive told them I want a new one but they wont swap it

TBH, the panel is probably 90% of the set but I agree with the principle, and of course the repair is only as good as the muppet they get to do it. It's bust in a pretty short period. >:(

Well, my 32" CRT [size=8]SONY[/size] is still going strong and until that busts I don't think the drivel that's on these days merits a change.

Kevin
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 17:31:46
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All as above, plus Plasma's have a wider viewing angle over LCD.

Verticaly, yes, horizontaly no....most are 170+ degrees these days.

Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Admin on 17 March 2008, 17:32:37
I can only agree with Marks comments and gained a lot from his wise advice when I went looking for mine.

Rather than look at models just yet, give us a price range and a screen size you want.

My only comments wouuld be:

Don't go below 37" unless you have a small room. 40" or 42" is ideal for most rooms. Beyond that size in a normal room and you will notice how poor the quality of the tv signal can be.

If possible, go for a "True HD". That means 1080p.
Ignore "HD ready", that is misleading.

Think about a surround sound setup. Even the expensive LCD units have dubious sound. A surround sound system (even a fairly cheap one) makes a massive difference!

Finally, if you buy an LCD unit, think about a blu ray player (good excuse to get a ps3!) to see just how good the unit can look. Once set up properly (factory default settings are usually way over the top) the picture quality is astounding.
 
Oh, and I highly recommend Marks Samsung unit (and my Sony 40W3000). :)
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 17:34:38
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how dose a Samsung PS 42/50 c96hd sound to give me an idea ??


Never heard of it

Samsung are normaly LE40M87 type of numbers...
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Admin on 17 March 2008, 17:43:54
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how dose a Samsung PS 42/50 c96hd sound to give me an idea ??


Never heard of it

Samsung are normaly LE40M87 type of numbers...

Those are plasma screen units.
For all the reasons Mark has stated above, I would not recommend.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 18:15:40
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I can only agree with Marks comments and gained a lot from his wise advice when I went looking for mine.

Rather than look at models just yet, give us a price range and a screen size you want.
My only comments wouuld be:

Don't go below 37" unless you have a small room. 40" or 42" is ideal for most rooms. Beyond that size in a normal room and you will notice how poor the quality of the tv signal can be.

If possible, go for a "True HD". That means 1080p.
Ignore "HD ready", that is misleading.

Think about a surround sound setup. Even the expensive LCD units have dubious sound. A surround sound system (even a fairly cheap one) makes a massive difference!

Finally, if you buy an LCD unit, think about a blu ray player (good excuse to get a ps3!) to see just how good the unit can look. Once set up properly (factory default settings are usually way over the top) the picture quality is astounding.
 
Oh, and I highly recommend Marks Samsung unit (and my Sony 40W3000). :)
i thought around £1000 -£1500 to be confirmed tho .As for the size, iam not bothered I'll listen to experienced people
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: davlad22 on 17 March 2008, 18:21:24
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Best all rounder is still Samsung.....
Can't just come out with a quote like that Marko!

.....That's like saying that vauxhall is the best all rounder, or that BMW makes the best executive cars or that MK make the best speakers. It's all personal opinion.

Go with what YOU think looks best to your eyes and the best you can get out of your budget. Samsung televisions have crap sound compared to rivals and some offer better value for money.

What it is worth doing though is asking to view and compare pictures from terrestrial TV channels, if they can't do that for you probably not worth buying from. A big factor concerning true High Definition is the scaling and video processing inside the unit, there is even less HD media than you would think and obviously, HD will never be broadcast free to air, there is simply not the bandwidth available.

As mentioned above, if you are looking at going for a really big telly, consider the audio, I am not a sports fan though viewing footy or films on a big screen looks great but only if you have the big sound to match  ;)

....and if I may straighten out one thing, LCD is NOT more reliable than plasma. Early plasmas were prone to screen burn but this is becoming rarer. 10% of ALL electronics we take out of the box are faulty.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 18:46:13
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I can only agree with Marks comments and gained a lot from his wise advice when I went looking for mine.

Rather than look at models just yet, give us a price range and a screen size you want.
My only comments wouuld be:

Don't go below 37" unless you have a small room. 40" or 42" is ideal for most rooms. Beyond that size in a normal room and you will notice how poor the quality of the tv signal can be.

If possible, go for a "True HD". That means 1080p.
Ignore "HD ready", that is misleading.

Think about a surround sound setup. Even the expensive LCD units have dubious sound. A surround sound system (even a fairly cheap one) makes a massive difference!

Finally, if you buy an LCD unit, think about a blu ray player (good excuse to get a ps3!) to see just how good the unit can look. Once set up properly (factory default settings are usually way over the top) the picture quality is astounding.
 
Oh, and I highly recommend Marks Samsung unit (and my Sony 40W3000). :)
i thought around £1000 -£1500 to be confirmed tho .As for the size, iam not bothered I'll listen to experienced people


Sony KDL46W3000 off the internet for just over 1500
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 18:47:17
SOund - I use seperates TV sound is fine for TV but films and games requires proper sound
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 18:57:19
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SOund - I use seperates TV sound is fine for TV but films and games requires proper sound
so id need to buy a surround system as well
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 19:03:19
Its a tv and if you want good sound you need a seperate system.

Flat panels also dont benefit from having any depth to fit a speaker of a decent size in them.

And Samsung make the Sony panels....its part of a joint venture they have.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 19:06:17
this is Beginning to sound complicated  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 17 March 2008, 19:35:55
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Hmmmm, Im not happy with mine, its only 14 weeks old and its faulty. Samsung want to replace the panel but ive told them I want a new one but they wont swap it

TBH, the panel is probably 90% of the set but I agree with the principle, and of course the repair is only as good as the muppet they get to do it. It's bust in a pretty short period. >:(

Well, my 32" CRT [size=8]SONY[/size] is still going strong and until that busts I don't think the drivel that's on these days merits a change.

Kevin

Probably the same one as the one i have........and i agree until it goes bang im not changing mine either......

PS have you played with the engineers menu.......i managed to get an improvement on the pic  :y
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: davlad22 on 17 March 2008, 19:44:53
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Flat panels also dont benefit from having any depth to fit a speaker of a decent size in them.
Some are much better than others though, and most plasmas have built in amplifiers to feed better uprated speakers.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Kevin Wood on 17 March 2008, 20:03:28
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Hmmmm, Im not happy with mine, its only 14 weeks old and its faulty. Samsung want to replace the panel but ive told them I want a new one but they wont swap it

TBH, the panel is probably 90% of the set but I agree with the principle, and of course the repair is only as good as the muppet they get to do it. It's bust in a pretty short period. >:(

Well, my 32" CRT [size=8]SONY[/size] is still going strong and until that busts I don't think the drivel that's on these days merits a change.

Kevin

Probably the same one as the one i have........and i agree until it goes bang im not changing mine either......

PS have you played with the engineers menu.......i managed to get an improvement on the pic  :y

Yeah, had a play with it to try to get all 4 AV inputs working rather than the silly mechanism of having to choose between front and rear. Didn't seem to work for me. Shyed away from tweaking the vast array of other settings though. :o

Kevin
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Mikejr on 17 March 2008, 20:04:36
Strange, all this talk of Samsung's, Sony's et al, yet no one has mentioned Panasonic. Panasonic grab the top 7 places in the latest Which report on LCD/Plasma T.V's, 2x26", 4x32" & 1x42". Next comes a Sony then 3 more Panasonic's.

Out of the top 28 T.V's recommended by Which, Samsung don't rate a mention. Although out of the 140 T.V's tested in total, 10 were models from Samsung.

But as in so many things in life "yer pays yer money and makes yer choice'. Never more true than for T.V.s where only your eyes and ears can decide what's best for you and then really only in your own home. Looking at the racks of T.V's in a major store will give some idea as to picture quality/sound but beware that a lot of stores are probably putting a high quality signal into the T.V. and not a terrestrial T.V. signal and I know a lot of people who have been disappointed after spending a large sum on their new T.V when, after getting it home and setting it up, the picture doesn't seem any better, and in some cases is worse, than the T.V. they are replacing.

So, read as many review's as you can, often a good source is other user's reviews on the internet, make a short list then, although it may work out slightly more expensive, go to a reputable local store, rather than a big chain. They will generally allow you to view the T.V. with different input signals i.e terrestrial, digital, DVD etc which should hopefully give you a better idea of what brand/model to spend your hard earned cash on.

Happy hunting  :)  :)
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: davlad22 on 17 March 2008, 20:33:32
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yep, good advice. Also note that prices on the internet may seem tempting but remember that it's hard to send it back to the internet.

Panasonic make some great plasmas, we use them in commercial installs and represent best value for money, however, don't really rate their LCD's against rivals.

Ahhh, and the magazines, well it depends how much money the manufacturer pays the reviewer  ;) ;D
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Bacon Butty Man on 17 March 2008, 21:00:12
i have had a plasma and lcd units, the lcd units are much clearer on HD imho, DONT be put off by cheaper makes, i currently have a32" DMTECH and the picture quality was better that the sharp and LG unit that were next to it, My mate rekons that its as good as his panasonic.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 21:12:57
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SOund - I use seperates TV sound is fine for TV but films and games requires proper sound
so id need to buy a surround system as well

You should have one already
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 21:13:50
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Hmmmm, Im not happy with mine, its only 14 weeks old and its faulty. Samsung want to replace the panel but ive told them I want a new one but they wont swap it

TBH, the panel is probably 90% of the set but I agree with the principle, and of course the repair is only as good as the muppet they get to do it. It's bust in a pretty short period. >:(

Well, my 32" CRT [size=8]SONY[/size] is still going strong and until that busts I don't think the drivel that's on these days merits a change.

Kevin

Probably the same one as the one i have........and i agree until it goes bang im not changing mine either......

PS have you played with the engineers menu.......i managed to get an improvement on the pic  :y


Mine is getting replaced when I can afford a 46" panel, I want HiDef as we have a PS3
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 21:15:50
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Strange, all this talk of Samsung's, Sony's et al, yet no one has mentioned Panasonic. Panasonic grab the top 7 places in the latest Which report on LCD/Plasma T.V's, 2x26", 4x32" & 1x42". Next comes a Sony then 3 more Panasonic's.

Out of the top 28 T.V's recommended by Which, Samsung don't rate a mention. Although out of the 140 T.V's tested in total, 10 were models from Samsung.

But as in so many things in life "yer pays yer money and makes yer choice'. Never more true than for T.V.s where only your eyes and ears can decide what's best for you and then really only in your own home. Looking at the racks of T.V's in a major store will give some idea as to picture quality/sound but beware that a lot of stores are probably putting a high quality signal into the T.V. and not a terrestrial T.V. signal and I know a lot of people who have been disappointed after spending a large sum on their new T.V when, after getting it home and setting it up, the picture doesn't seem any better, and in some cases is worse, than the T.V. they are replacing.

So, read as many review's as you can, often a good source is other user's reviews on the internet, make a short list then, although it may work out slightly more expensive, go to a reputable local store, rather than a big chain. They will generally allow you to view the T.V. with different input signals i.e terrestrial, digital, DVD etc which should hopefully give you a better idea of what brand/model to spend your hard earned cash on.

Happy hunting  :)  :)

Which are crap!

They gave a VCR with the best picture at the time a very poor rating for picture, basically for real information read the specialised press, WV publications are good, go to www.avforums.com and also look at them yourselves like I did with all 4 Sony 46"
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: rad cap on 17 March 2008, 21:16:58
just put another 50p in the back turn the knob and stay in black and white,  b/w all day long
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 17 March 2008, 21:17:50
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Flat panels also dont benefit from having any depth to fit a speaker of a decent size in them.
Some are much better than others though, and most plasmas have built in amplifiers to feed better uprated speakers.


Still gonna be a shite amp on a shite supply....proper amp required and decent speakers to get good results.

The supply noise in a plasma Tv is horrific.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 21:22:41
Well here goes.

Forget analogue - noone uses it, for TV you have Freeview - they will all have a Freeview tuner, ask to see BBC1, 2, or CBeebies the extra channels are usually poor quality so will put you off.

Try to ignore artifacts all flat panels will show them off.

Next ask to see a Hidef source see what it is like with a BluRay disc, they are getting a lot more popular and the prices are dropping, a very good BR player happens to be a games console.

Pehaps ask to see upscaled DVD should be similar to Freeview.

For gaming PS3 and 360 are both HiDef but the PS3 also does films.

Remember to drop back to your seating position distance.

You may also see HD satellite like BBC HD - may be worth picking up a hidef sat box as well Maplins for £200 or a nice Humax PVR for around £400.

I have seen Motorstorm on a large LCD and I want one now, fed up of SDTV now
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 17 March 2008, 21:23:42
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Flat panels also dont benefit from having any depth to fit a speaker of a decent size in them.
Some are much better than others though, and most plasmas have built in amplifiers to feed better uprated speakers.


Still gonna be a naffe amp on a naffe supply....proper amp required and decent speakers to get good results.

The supply noise in a plasma Tv is horrific.


I have a £500 AV receiver and getting on for £1000 of Castle speakers
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 23:14:31
thanks for you thoughts and comments folks i appreciate it very much .I apologize for not posting earlier but something came up.
Darren
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Vamps on 17 March 2008, 23:17:05
Where have you been, you have a lot of catching up to do, get reading.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 23:32:04
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Where have you been, you have a lot of catching up to do, get reading.  :D :D :D
my bloody back spasmed .One min i was was typing, and helping the little,un to do her homework ,the next i was on the floor rolling around in agony
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Vamps on 17 March 2008, 23:34:34
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Where have you been, you have a lot of catching up to do, get reading.  :D :D :D
my bloody back spasmed .One min i was was typing, and helping the little,un to do her homework ,the next i was on the floor rolling around in agony

Hope you are OK, been some interesting reading tonight. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 17 March 2008, 23:42:44
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Where have you been, you have a lot of catching up to do, get reading.  :D :D :D
my bloody back spasmed .One min i was was typing, and helping the little,un to do her homework ,the next i was on the floor rolling around in agony

Hope you are OK, been some interesting reading tonight. ;D ;D ;D
bit stiff but i'll live ,ive done a bit of catchin up. lmao
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: edwardmickey on 18 March 2008, 07:26:13
Keep out of Currys, Comet and the like who ain't got a clue about what they're selling.  They tend to line up rows after rows of TVs displaying standard def in their displays.  

My advice would be to go into specialist shops (independents) with a bit of an idea of what your price range is.  Then, ask for demonstrations using Sky HD or Blu-Ray.  That way, you can see the picture for yourself and be able to make some proper comparisons.  Once you decide on your model, search on line and make huge savings.  Remember, the model number has to be EXACT (one letter different is not the same display).

I went for a Pioneer 6th generation 43" Plasma (bicking trend of nearly everyone on here) two years ago simply because I found it to be the best natural picture with superb contrasts - but you really have to see High Definition for yourself.  I was blown away with the pic quality; If I was buying new today, I'd still get Plasma but that's a personal opinion.  Remember, most people that get a HD tv aren't even watching HD - even though they think they are.  There's still very limited channels available in HD; how many people that you know even own a Blu-ray or HDDVD player?

My view (flying in the face of others here) is that plasma generally gives the better picture above 42" on HD - but have a look for yourself.  I think LCD's piccys appear to be a bit artificial but pound for pound, you'll get better value with an LCD - especially under 42" - but remember - you get what you pay for.  You can pay £700 for a Supermarket brand 42" plasma or pay £2,400 for a Pioneer.  The difference is huge!!!

Someone mentioned Full HD over HD Ready!  Don't be fooled by the headlines.  You can be getting full HD 42" for under £1,000 but that ain't the full story.  Some 720p have beter pictures than 1080p.

As for life of the TV, under average viewing time, expect a about 30% more life from a LCD over Plasma.  Will you not be ungrading within 7 years anyway?  There's sure to be future displays with built in Blu-Ray and Digital HD channels one day..........

What's your budget and what equipment do you want?  Are you interested in Home Cinema and Blu-Ray or just an all-in-one TV?
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: davlad22 on 18 March 2008, 13:43:56
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Some 720p have beter pictures than 1080p.
Correct. This is because a large majority of sources are output in 720 and therefore display better on a 720 unit. So even though you may think you're buying into a bigger, better picture with 1080, the scaling and inferior processing means it will not show as accurately.

I will reiterate again regarding internet sales, be very wary. Some items sold over the web have known to be grey import goods and some, as such, are not covered by a european warranty. There is also the risk the items are 'graded' stock, they are usually old models anyway.

Approach your high street, or better still, independent retailer with a price you have found on the web and see how close they can get. You may be surprised!

As for putting figures on whether an lcd or plasma will last longer, this can't really be done I think you'll find! This is dependant on viewing habits, environmental factors etc and both are just as reliable. Manufacturers 'claimed' lifespan of both is around 60,000 hours, much longer than a tube television! You'll be looking for a new telly before it wears out!
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: omegamonkey on 18 March 2008, 14:01:22
Don't have time to read the thread but this might help...

http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Admin on 18 March 2008, 14:01:26
Your comment above is only partially correct. ;)

A good 720p panel will give a better picture than a cheap 1080p.
Eg, A Sony/Samsung/Panasonic 720p will give a visibly better picture than say a Wharfedale/LG/Bush unit.

The real limitation of 720p is that it cannot display "True HD", which is 1080p.
Ok, this is usually only a real issue when watching blu ray (or, of you made the wrong choice HD-DVD) films, but at the money he is looking to spend, it would be foolish to go with a 720p panel.

As far as upscaling goes, it is down to the source material primarily and then the quality of the hardware doing the job.

Once again, the cheaper units don't do the job as well.
However, Sony, Panasonic and Samsung are very good at it.

When it comes to finally buying the unit, be very careful who you buy from as you only find out how good they are when something goes wrong. Do research on the retailer themselves.

Oh, and if buying on the high street, John Lewis will price match and have an excellent reputation.
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: davlad22 on 18 March 2008, 15:42:10
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Yes, but I didn't want to fry his brain!  ;)

The only thing that makes one model better than another is the quality of the processing and panel. Therefore, i'd see beyond the badge and trust your eyes. I've seen some terrible sony's and some terrible samsungs also, likewise i've seen some bad philips. Though it's down to personal opinion, it's what makes the world go round!

Thankfully, the overall quality and technology is improving and the prices are coming down  :)
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: zippo on 18 March 2008, 16:58:47
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Yes, but I didn't want to fry his brain!  ;)

The only thing that makes one model better than another is the quality of the processing and panel. Therefore, i'd see beyond the badge and trust your eyes. I've seen some terrible sony's and some terrible samsungs also, likewise i've seen some bad philips. Though it's down to personal opinion, it's what makes the world go round!

Thankfully, the overall quality and technology is improving and the prices are coming down  :)

Ihavent got a brain to fry anymore  :D :D
Title: Re: idiots guide to plasma LCD television's
Post by: Martin_1962 on 18 March 2008, 17:04:37
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Yes, but I didn't want to fry his brain!  ;)

The only thing that makes one model better than another is the quality of the processing and panel. Therefore, i'd see beyond the badge and trust your eyes. I've seen some terrible sony's and some terrible samsungs also, likewise i've seen some bad philips. Though it's down to personal opinion, it's what makes the world go round!

Thankfully, the overall quality and technology is improving and the prices are coming down  :)


That would be the cheap ones - it was good seeing 4 side by side