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Title: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 03 January 2012, 10:41:32
Hi guys! I have a problem that I keep getting mixed opinions about. Well I have a 2.2 dti elite. 130 on the engine and it presurises the header tank so that it throws the fluid out. I got a garage to change the thermastat and antifreeze and they have said your head gasket has gone mate. After speaking to a specialist he said no way, it's steel and never goes. Lvm in north London have quoted me 650 all in to do the job. I just want it sorted if done a good bit to her. Symptoms are heater does not work when parked.. Have to rev the engine then heat comes through pressure in header and fluid coming out. I've read on here about hbv, oil cooler.. A machanic suggested put a water pump on and/or heater matrix.. Any body else had this problem??? Shall I try a water pump? Please help. To good to go to scrappy..
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: alank46 on 03 January 2012, 10:49:02
Sounds like water pump to me.
Alan
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 03 January 2012, 10:54:32
Thanks alan. I was told the head should be the last thing to do on these so a pump I think sounds like a good idea.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: Lazydocker on 03 January 2012, 10:59:05
How did they diagnose the HG? That would be last on the list and I agree it does sound like it could be the water pump. Needs testing properly though before replacing IMHO ;)
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: omega3000 on 03 January 2012, 11:01:34
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your head gasket has gone mate
>:( That seems to be the response from most garages , wonder how many head gaskets have been replaced and then still have the same problem  ::)
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 03 January 2012, 11:21:46
Good good this is what i need to here! Was about to book it in tbh glad I thought of getting an opinion off you guys. Been a silent listener for years. The machanic rang me and said its pressurising the water mater I think your head gasket is gone. Then said I've got a 2.7 passat 4 motion here it's got your name all over it. Then said it would cost me £1000 to do the head. We all know what he wanted! See I searched everywhere on here and it no way a common issue quite the opposit. See my car has 197 on the clock but the engine is at 130 cos the last ones camshaft broke. I was looking for one but couldn't find one anywhere with black, black leather manual elite. Till a guy I knew said he had one and I grabbed it. 3 years later and new rear springs and 4 new tyres, brakes pads/discs/shoes. Clutch. It's eaten about 7 belts and still squeaks. Id say they bent a pulley when putting engine in. Sorry for long message cos wind rain not doing much here. Thanks a million guys. Gonna price a pump now.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: omega3000 on 03 January 2012, 11:27:59
As a good measure i would replace the HBV if its not been done for a while ...did mine last week "easy ish job" have a swear box ready just in case  :y
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 03 January 2012, 11:51:00
Sounds like a plan! Thanks again and happy new year..
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: RobG on 03 January 2012, 11:56:41
As a good measure i would replace the HBV if its not been done for a while ...did mine last week "easy ish job" have a swear box ready just in case  :y
No need OP has a 2.2 DTI. HBV just below O/S headlight. Dead easy ;)
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: omega3000 on 03 January 2012, 12:00:36
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2.2 DTI. 
  swear box for another day then  ;D
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 06 January 2012, 11:31:33
Just had a call from my machanic who said the water pump is seized solid to the engine along with the bolts. I told him carry one and get it off as best you can. He told me if it breaks off and damages the head I'll have to replace the block! Then he offered me the passat at 300 less....I said there some wd40 in the boot mate see how you get on.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 06 January 2012, 13:59:29
The water pumps often require a good tap with a mallet to shift them.
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Post by: maracus on 06 January 2012, 14:14:42
Just had a call from my machanic who said the water pump is seized solid to the engine along with the bolts. I told him carry one and get it off as best you can. He told me if it breaks off and damages the head I'll have to replace the block! Then he offered me the passat at 300 less....I said there some wd40 in the boot mate see how you get on.

Big Bill is coming for you...

Mind this guy ain't mugging you off sounds like he's after your money like a rat to a drainpipe!!
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Post by: Lazydocker on 07 January 2012, 21:02:22
Just had a call from my machanic who said the water pump is seized solid to the engine along with the bolts. I told him carry one and get it off as best you can. He told me if it breaks off and damages the head I'll have to replace the block! Then he offered me the passat at 300 less....I said there some wd40 in the boot mate see how you get on.

Big Bill is coming for you...

Mind this guy ain't mugging you off sounds like he's after your money like a rat to a drainpipe!!

Get another mechanic ASAP! He is just trying to fob you off and relieve you of the money for the Passat :o :o >:( >:(
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 08 January 2012, 18:05:54
£120 all in not too bad since I got the pump. They had to smash the old pump off. He offered me a 1.8t a6 auto box gone 500 ha. Well the pump is on and it's still presurising up! Got quoted £650 for head gasket off lvm in n London. And of the head is cracked they have heads on the shelf.. Just of any of you guys have a problem. Only quote I have got tho. Be as well off putting an engine in it that would cure all. Seen a bloke on here get his gasket done for 295! Don't know what else to do now.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 01 February 2012, 07:43:37
Ok it's got worse now! I have bubbling coming out of the header tank. I filled it to the cap with water and it's like there air being blown through it I'd now defo say it's the head gasket. I'd say this is what was wrong with the heater. That's £650 down the drain.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 01 February 2012, 09:16:20
Still does not give a real indictaion of headgasket.

You should NEVER fill it to the top as you effectively now have no expansion capability for the sealed system.

You also have to consider that if there is a leak when hot that water gets in, as it cools, it will pull air in.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: andycab on 01 February 2012, 20:13:59
Hi,Just red your post and ive got same problem,ive had new stat,water pump,and header tank cap,mine wont go above 80 on temp gauge and takes ages to warm up also throws water out to.Did you get sorted?
                                                    andy
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: fergy on 01 February 2012, 23:36:59
  Saw a guy on " The Garage" (Discovery channel) doing a blown head gasket test.

He ran the engine, drew off some coolant and tested it for C02. Seems like a quick test that should not cost  too much even at your local VX dealer.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: The Red Baron on 01 February 2012, 23:42:14
put your location in your profile, someone maybe near you to help.  :y
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 02 February 2012, 08:46:50
Hey guys. Yes I heard about the carbon test. One of our fitters showed me it yesterday but he didn't have time to do it and my garage does not have one, cos he says head gaskets are straight forward. Hey and it a head messer alright no I didn't get it sorted,it's been like it for well over a year but slowly getting worse. Hey red I'm in enfield London it won't let me change my profile info on my iPhone so I'll do it later, no sure why it's not on there. Glad you said it tho thanks. I'm working in the Olympics at the mo I drive diggers so I'm gonna see if I can find a garage around here can do the carbon test, then I'll know for sure? Saying that if there's anyone about that can help I would rarely appreciate it. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Is it the head gasket?? Or....
Post by: carmadciarain on 14 February 2012, 08:15:10
Hey guys! I put a bottle of steel seal in a week ago. Thought I'd try it. Any way after following the procedure on the bottle I now have a heater.. Yh it started to work. It still had a bit of pressure in the system so I've put another bottle it which I does recommend for this size of engine. Saying that the heater is now working tell me it's working. Just wanted to let everyone know.