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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Liberty_2012 on 10 January 2012, 19:53:39
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Just a warning. the member known as welung666 is currently under investigation and has been charged and bailed pending court proceedings for the following: http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/9349200.Old_Hill_man_in_court_on_child_porn_charges/
http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/blackcountry/9349110.Former_Brierley_Hill_school_caretaker_faces_child_porn_charges/
I will leave this to the personal decision of whoever is reading it however, if you have children and are asking this man to come to your home to repair your car, you need to be aware of this.
Thank you for reading sorry for any distress that may be caused.
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Thank you.
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THANK YOU....is any of this true?????
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OMG. :o
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THANK YOU....is any of this true?????
I'm a mum of 2 and a childcare professional! And it's a thank you for the heads up.
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THANK YOU....is any of this true?????
I think the OP was being thanked for bringing something to the forums attention.
As to the truth of the matter, thats perhaps something that a Court may decide at some future time? Meantime, the OP refers to two seperate local newspaper articles and presumably, they checked the assorted sources of the information.
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yes but this not the place...innocent untill proven guilty????
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yes but this not the place...innocent untill proven guilty????
No accusations have been made,
Just the reporting of the legal proceedings have been made public.
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At this stage, I will advise all and sundry that OOF is a car forum and not somewhere for a witch hunt or to hang anyone out to dry.
The law of the land is such that people are innocent until proven guilty. Meantime, bail conditions apply and as part of that, there are specific contact details with minors, or so it appears as per the news report. That is standard in such cases.
Given that there is a possibility of contact with minors via OOF it is felt that the post should stand.
But will be heavily moderated.....
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:o :o :o
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this is not the place as i keep saying this is unbelivable it is proven fair enough...but untill that point this sort of gutter speculation really is'nt helping
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Yes innocent until proven guilty but there are two links provided ignore at your own peril.. the alarming man, would you invite this person innocent until proven guilty, to come and fix your car and nip into the house leaving your kids outside with this person knowing what you now know. Yes, innocent until proven guilty indeed but a better saying is better safe than sorry.
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this is not the place as i keep saying this is unbelivable it is proven fair enough...but untill that point this sort of gutter speculation really is'nt helping
Ok, youve had your say.
Thanks
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this is not the place as i keep saying this is unbelivable it is proven fair enough...but untill that point this sort of gutter speculation really is'nt helping
I totally agree with that statement above, however, this isn't an accusation, this is a 'heads up' and although I've never had any contact with Welung, this is a much appreciated warning.
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this is not the place as i keep saying this is unbelivable it is proven fair enough...but untill that point this sort of gutter speculation really is'nt helping
I totally agree with that statement above, however, this isn't an accusation, this is a 'heads up' and although I've never had any contact with Welung, this is a much appreciated warning.
+1.
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Quote from the article :-
'He was remanded on bail with the condition he should have no unsupervised contact with people aged under 18, not carry out paid or voluntary work which would bring him into contact with children and not access the internet other than in the course of employment.'
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this is not the place as i keep saying this is unbelivable it is proven fair enough...but untill that point this sort of gutter speculation really is'nt helping
:y :y :y personal conflict also can be at the background... :-\ :-\ :-\
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At this stage, I will advise all and sundry that OOF is a car forum and not somewhere for a witch hunt or to hang anyone out to dry.
The law of the land is such that people are innocent until proven guilty. Meantime, bail conditions apply and as part of that, there are specific contact details with minors, or so it appears as per the news report. That is standard in such cases.
Given that there is a possibility of contact with minors via OOF it is felt that the post should stand.
But will be heavily moderated.....
Yes, well posted H21. :y
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has anyone checked with him as to the truth of this and it is him or not!
perhaps one of the mods could check with him
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has anyone checked with him as to the truth of this and it is him
perhaps one of the mods could check with him
That is a matter for due legal process, not the admins on here.
All that has been reposted here are two newspaper articles and a post directing the assemblage to them.
And that is how it will remain. :-X
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I am rather unsure what to say.....
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Me too, I'm a bit stunned to be honest
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Gobsmacked. Not sure how to take this or what to say....
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Shocked, unsure what to say ??? ???
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same here daz,im shocked. :o
perhaps lee could give his side to stop the assumptions or verify what has happened,or maybe this will be the last anybody hears from him.the truth will out either way
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same here daz,im shocked. :o
perhaps lee could give his side to stop the assumptions or verify what has happened,or maybe this will be the last anybody hears from him.the truth will out either way
Absolutely and most definately not. To do so would be sub judice. (go look it up....)
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why no one said anything out of order notice you didnt answer the question about banning though
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why no one said anything out of order notice you didnt answer the question about banning though
We are not judge & jury.
Thats what the legal system is for. End of.
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why no one said anything out of order notice you didnt answer the question about banning though
We are not judge & jury.
Thats what the legal system is for. End of.
I suggest it`s locked then B, save you pruning more posts ;)
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This is sad news whatever the Probity of it :(
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I feel sorry for his wife and any of the parents/ children involved :(
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Is there any point in keeping this thread open as there's little that people can realistically say about this unhappy matter - given the legal constraints - without straying into territory that will require continuous moderation due to inappropriate comment or prejudgement?
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Its a difficult one. There will be people that haven't read about it that might be considering having work done by Wellung
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Locking would deny any input from those who feel the need to contribute.
Be assured that it is being closely monitored.
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Is there any point in keeping this thread open as there's little that people can realistically say about this unhappy matter - given the legal constraints - without straying into territory that will require continuous moderation due to inappropriate comment or prejudgement?
The admin team would be most happy to but there are some on here who will most probably start another thread with minimal point and keep the pot boiling.
Ultimately, as said by the articles, its something that is historic in as much as it is alleged to have happened several years ago. It has been investigated and reported for prosecution and a further court date has been set. Bail and legal conditions now apply.
Lets leave it there....
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Is there any point in keeping this thread open as there's little that people can realistically say about this unhappy matter - given the legal constraints - without straying into territory that will require continuous moderation due to inappropriate comment or prejudgement?
The admin team would be most happy to but there are some on here who will most probably start another thread with minimal point and keep the pot boiling.
Ultimately, as said by the articles, its something that is historic in as much as it is alleged to have happened several years ago. It has been investigated and reported for prosecution and a further court date has been set. Bail and legal conditions now apply.
Lets leave it there....
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Innocent til proven guilty, if it is true then I'm genuinely shocked.
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I really dont know what to say. We wouldnt be posting this if it was a random person but at the same time the accusations are horrific. I will keep my comments to a minimum to respect lee, the situation, and the forum. As a father my views on this.............well just cant find the words.
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Stunned. Must have been sufficient evidence to execute a warrant :-\
Thats not to say he must be guilty, article mentions theft of computers? Possibility one of those had said illegal material?
Not for us arm chair critics to cast judgement for or against, thats for a court of law.
But an important heads up for anyone considering work done on their car, as he did use to offer repair services.
Thoughts go to those families he has visited for OOF related work :(
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I think it's fair to say a lot of us on here are quite shocked to hear this news :o
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I've no interest in passing comment on the situation until legal proceedings are finalised, other than to say that, given the article was dated 8th November, I guess this might explain why he was offline, for some time...
I also note there was nothing in the articles about WHEN the case was due to be committed, to crown court.
On that basis, and on the basis Lee has been posting on here recently, I just wonder if the case has been heard / outcome decided...
After all, Lee has accessed the internet here, in the last few days, and I guess posting on a car forum, in the event you might get work, is not really "in the course of employment" - I therefore wonder if his bail conditions have changed, or perhaps he has been found not guility..?
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OMG - Shocked
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No idea if this is true or not and I'm not about to make judgement!
The least we can do is give Lee due respect and let the Law of The Land decide.......
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No idea if this is true or not and I'm not about to make judgement!
The least we can do is give Lee due respect and let the Law of The Land decide.......
I think we should all be neutral and let the law proceed.
I will say this however...as this fella is 'one of our own' I notice that the comments are less than when this situation has happened to others in society. Knives have been drawn and ropes thrown over branches from the outset, even before proven guilty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No idea if this is true or not and I'm not about to make judgement!
The least we can do is give Lee due respect and let the Law of The Land decide.......
I think we should all be neutral and let the law proceed.
I will say this however...as this fella is 'one of our own' I notice that the comments are less than when this situation has happened to others in society. Knives have been drawn and ropes thrown over branches from the outset, even before proven guilty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How very true!
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I am shocked - don't know what to say
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I like many on our Forum have read this thread time and again. I also appreciate the OP bringing this to our attention.
And although none of us want to actually point the finger, would these newspapers dare to publish such a topic without cause?
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Neither spoken to, or met him. Not really my place to pass comment.
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I like many on our Forum have read this thread time and again. I also appreciate the OP bringing this to our attention.
And although none of us want to actually point the finger, would these newspapers dare to publish such a topic without cause?
Yeah, and with a picture too,and address for that matter :-\
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I think we should all be neutral and let the law proceed.
I will say this however...as this fella is 'one of our own' I notice that the comments are less than when this situation has happened to others in society. Knives have been drawn and ropes thrown over branches from the outset, even before proven guilty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it's for the judicial system to sort out now. Not anyone else, no matter what/how they feel.
I suspect the reaction has been subdued due to the shock of the allegations, and it seems many local members know him.
I cannot comment if there is any believability in the story, as I don't really know him, think I met him briefly at Newent one year. Clearly the police provided enough evidence to be passed on to magistrates who decided it was too serious for them to deal.
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I found out my old scout leader did the same last yr.was a shock as he's been a family friend for 40yrs.it shocked me more cause he never did anything to us so nobody knew. but it was just pictures luckily and no abuse but he's never been seen or heard of since. its a dam shame this happens to people you know,more so for children and families involved. but until its proven in court wrong accusations and gossip can lead to devastating consequences.
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Also remember children = under 18 years old....
So yes, it could be something nasty....it could also be with a fully consenting 17 year old.
We do not know the full story.
Im sure the justice system will deal appropriately.
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I am sure they will.. bumping anyway
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I am sure they will.. bumping anyway
Please don't bump - it's not allowed.
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Also remember children = under 18 years old....
So yes, it could be something nasty....it could also be with a fully consenting 17 year old.
We do not know the full story.
Im sure the justice system will deal appropriately.
That is very interesting. When did they slip that new law in ? I thought age of consent was 16, so how can you make it illegal for 16 and 17 year olds. I hope people understand what I am saying.
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Also remember children = under 18 years old....
So yes, it could be something nasty....it could also be with a fully consenting 17 year old.
We do not know the full story.
Im sure the justice system will deal appropriately.
That is very interesting. When did they slip that new law in ? I thought age of consent was 16, so how can you make it illegal for 16 and 17 year olds. I hope people understand what I am saying.
2003 amendment to the 1978 act
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Also remember children = under 18 years old....
So yes, it could be something nasty....it could also be with a fully consenting 17 year old.
We do not know the full story.
Im sure the justice system will deal appropriately.
That is very interesting. When did they slip that new law in ? I thought age of consent was 16, so how can you make it illegal for 16 and 17 year olds. I hope people understand what I am saying.
If they are at school, they are still deemed children ;)
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Also taking into account, mental capacity ;)
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Although the age of consent is 16yrs, the law doesn't class a person as an "adult" til they're 18yrs....iirc? :-\
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Although the age of consent is 16yrs, the law doesn't class a person as an "adult" til they're 18yrs....iirc? :-\
Shame holiday tour operators, airlines, trains, buses et al don`t follow the same line
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Chance would be a fine thing!
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First, thanks for the heads up Liberty_2012.
I've never seen you on this board before so i'm assuming you are closer to these alligations then the rest of the forum. Please accept my apoligies if I have assumed wrong.
Lets look at what has been reported.
Lee Wells, aged 38, is accused of making a total of 314 indecent photos of children and 65 indecent movies of children.
The offences are alleged to have taken place between January 2003 and December 2004 and involve images up to level five, the most serious category.
If he is innocent, I hope he fights like break to clear his name.
If he is guilty, no words that I can put on here can describe what I would do to anybody who did anything like that to one of children >:( >:(
Just a note to posters on here who have had regular contact with him over the years.
The police will have been through his internet browser history with a fine tooth comb and will have a list of email addresses to investigate. This can take years.
Under NO circumstaces should anybody delete anything off there computer.
If anybody gets a knock on the door, just be honest with them and let the police do there job :y
Please understand, I am not pointing the finger at anybody here.
I hope members understand that.
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1.not a nice thread subject :(
2.the newspaper pressing his picture before the court decision violating his rights..
3.I think it has served its purpose so must be locked.. :(
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1.not a nice thread subject :(
2.the newspaper pressing his picture before the court decision violating his rights..
3.I think it has served its purpose so must be locked.. :(
The thing is Cem, people on here have used him for work, and many rate him good enough to do a job. People who haven't read this can easily still ring him and ask him to do work. Now under no circumstances am I saying that he has committed any offence whatsoever, however I can't also say that he hasn't committed an offence. If he has committed the said offence then this needs to stay up and maybe be put as a sticky. This is an extremely serious allegation!
As I said I'm not saying he has done anything of the sort, however if he has I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kids or anyone else's for that matter, words can't describe what I think of people who do this, but I point out again, until he is/isn't found guilty no one at all can pass judgement. This defiantly in my eyes needs to be a thread which is kept near the top of the page, just incase it is true.
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would be interested to know if he's disputing the allegations.... And if the crown court date is for a trial, or sentencing..
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would be interested to know if he's disputing the allegations.... And if the crown court date is for a trial, or sentencing..
But as you should know as Broocie does, Lee could get himself into trouble by actually saying anything.
I too hope if he is innocent he clears his name. On the other hand if he is guilty he gets what he deserves.
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1.not a nice thread subject :(
2.the newspaper pressing his picture before the court decision violating his rights..
3.I think it has served its purpose so must be locked.. :(
The thing is Cem, people on here have used him for work, and many rate him good enough to do a job. People who haven't read this can easily still ring him and ask him to do work. Now under no circumstances am I saying that he has committed any offence whatsoever, however I can't also say that he hasn't committed an offence. If he has committed the said offence then this needs to stay up and maybe be put as a sticky. This is an extremely serious allegation!
As I said I'm not saying he has done anything of the sort, however if he has I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kids or anyone else's for that matter, words can't describe what I think of people who do this, but I point out again, until he is/isn't found guilty no one at all can pass judgement. This defiantly in my eyes needs to be a thread which is kept near the top of the page, just incase it is true.
whats the relation between mechanics work and porno ?
please distinguish between different things.. I think most members here showing over reaction..
even if he is guilty , (and in that case court will give the punishment not us) is it necessary to make him suffer without any job..
if you are scared for your children keep them away.. thats it.. no need for witch hunt ???
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Over reaction Cem?
I actually think everyone has been pretty calm about such a heart felt topic being honest.
We do not want this starting to be a slanging match or witch hunt, so please if you are thinking of posting such things dont. They will be removed anyway.
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Over reaction Cem?
I actually think everyone 1.has been pretty calm about such a heart felt topic being honest.
We do not want this starting to be a slanging match or witch hunt, so please if you are thinking of posting such things dont. They will be removed anyway.
1.I'm not sure.. I'm a son of 2 lawyers at age 46 .. most of my life passed in courts and I know how justice and law must be applied.. so my statement is valid imo.
2. if you prefer to remove my posts thats ok, but anyway I prefer not to post again.. and besides you are also over reacting!
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Over reaction Cem?
I actually think everyone 1.has been pretty calm about such a heart felt topic being honest.
We do not want this starting to be a slanging match or witch hunt, so please if you are thinking of posting such things dont. They will be removed anyway.
1.I'm not sure.. I'm a son of 2 lawyers at age 46 .. most of my life passed in courts and I know how justice and law must be applied.. so my statement is valid imo.
2. if you prefer to remove my posts thats ok, but anyway I prefer not to post again.. and besides you are also over reacting!
Up until this point the thread was fine. Its easy to have a difference of opinion on such a sensitive topic but the opinions have been voiced without any loss of conduct. Im a Father as are many of the OOf'ers and we could voice deep down what we really think but i guarantee you we dont know everything.
Daz made a very good point earlier, If hes innocent and its all unfounded then fine, but if hes guilty then he should pay a hard price.
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would be interested to know if he's disputing the allegations.... And if the crown court date is for a trial, or sentencing..
But as you should know as Broocie does, Lee could get himself into trouble by actually saying anything.
I too hope if he is innocent he clears his name. On the other hand if he is guilty he gets what he deserves.
oh i totally agree daz, Im not suggesting Lee should post. Was just saying I'd be curious about the next stage :y
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1.not a nice thread subject :(
2.the newspaper pressing his picture before the court decision violating his rights..
3.I think it has served its purpose so must be locked.. :(
The thing is Cem, people on here have used him for work, and many rate him good enough to do a job. People who haven't read this can easily still ring him and ask him to do work. Now under no circumstances am I saying that he has committed any offence whatsoever, however I can't also say that he hasn't committed an offence. If he has committed the said offence then this needs to stay up and maybe be put as a sticky. This is an extremely serious allegation!
As I said I'm not saying he has done anything of the sort, however if he has I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kids or anyone else's for that matter, words can't describe what I think of people who do this, but I point out again, until he is/isn't found guilty no one at all can pass judgement. This defiantly in my eyes needs to be a thread which is kept near the top of the page, just incase it is true.
whats the relation between mechanics work and porno ?
please distinguish between different things.. I think most members here showing over reaction..
even if he is guilty , (and in that case court will give the punishment not us) is it necessary to make him suffer without any job..
if you are scared for your children keep them away.. thats it.. no need for witch hunt ???
Cem, from a Fathers point of view, now personally I don't know if you have children or not, but myself as a father find this an extremely serious allegation, and I feel quite strongly about it. If there was a person interested in child pornography as the allegation has said then I sure as hell wouldn't want him around my kids. The point of this thread is that, if people get work done by him and he is in fact guilty, what could he do to one of those children? No one here has over reacted in anyway shape or form. No one here is punishing him at all, as pretty much everyone on this topic has said including myself, that he is innocent until proven guilty. However this doesn't get away from the fact, that this is a very serious allegation, and isn't one to be taken lightly.
The part I've highlighted answers your own question, if you said to any parent, be it a Mum or a Dad, that you've got a guy who could do your mechanics on an Omega, but he's had an allegation of child porn made against him, would you honestly want that man around your kids? I'm pretty sure 100% of parents would agree with me on this and the answer is no I wouldn't. This is regardless of it being an allegation or what, because there is a chance that it is true, just as there is a chance it isn't.
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Well said and put Del :y
Pretty certain most will agree with that.
Just to add to that, most adults would not want to be around anyone like that, let alone their children.
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1.not a nice thread subject :(
2.the newspaper pressing his picture before the court decision violating his rights..
3.I think it has served its purpose so must be locked.. :(
The thing is Cem, people on here have used him for work, and many rate him good enough to do a job. People who haven't read this can easily still ring him and ask him to do work. Now under no circumstances am I saying that he has committed any offence whatsoever, however I can't also say that he hasn't committed an offence. If he has committed the said offence then this needs to stay up and maybe be put as a sticky. This is an extremely serious allegation!
As I said I'm not saying he has done anything of the sort, however if he has I wouldn't want him anywhere near my kids or anyone else's for that matter, words can't describe what I think of people who do this, but I point out again, until he is/isn't found guilty no one at all can pass judgement. This defiantly in my eyes needs to be a thread which is kept near the top of the page, just incase it is true.
whats the relation between mechanics work and porno ?
please distinguish between different things.. I think most members here showing over reaction..
even if he is guilty , (and in that case court will give the punishment not us) is it necessary to make him suffer without any job..
if you are scared for your children keep them away.. thats it.. no need for witch hunt ???
Cem, from a Fathers point of view, now personally I don't know if you have children or not, but myself as a father find this an extremely serious allegation, and I feel quite strongly about it. If there was a person interested in child pornography as the allegation has said then I sure as hell wouldn't want him around my kids. The point of this thread is that, if people get work done by him and he is in fact guilty, what could he do to one of those children? No one here has over reacted in anyway shape or form. No one here is punishing him at all, as pretty much everyone on this topic has said including myself, that he is innocent until proven guilty. However this doesn't get away from the fact, that this is a very serious allegation, and isn't one to be taken lightly.
The part I've highlighted answers your own question, if you said to any parent, be it a Mum or a Dad, that you've got a guy who could do your mechanics on an Omega, but he's had an allegation of child porn made against him, would you honestly want that man around your kids? I'm pretty sure 100% of parents would agree with me on this and the answer is no I wouldn't. This is regardless of it being an allegation or what, because there is a chance that it is true, just as there is a chance it isn't.
please read my above posts .. there is the answer..
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Ok.
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1.not a nice thread subject :(
2.the newspaper pressing his picture before the court decision violating his rights..
3.I think it has served its purpose so must be locked.. :(
1) Agreed. But also, not a subject that must be hidden away in a dark corner as perhaps was done in previous generations.
2) Nothing unlawful in that in the UK unless there is a restriction on reporting imposed by order of the Court. It appears there is no such order in this particular case.
3) Whilst I agree that there is little benefit in contunually posting on the thread and bringing it to the top of the front page yet again, it is no more than reporting a matter which is very close to the hearts of most people on here who have children. As also said very early in the thread, this is not a witch hunt nor will it be tolerated to turn into one. Due process through the Courts, however, will be keenly awaited.
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1.not a nice thread subject :(
2.the newspaper pressing his picture before the court decision violating his rights..
3.I think it has served its purpose so must be locked.. :(
1) Agreed. But also, not a subject that must be hidden away in a dark corner as perhaps was done in previous generations.
2) Nothing unlawful in that in the UK unless there is a restriction on reporting imposed by order of the Court. It appears there is no such order in this particular case.
3) Whilst I agree that there is little benefit in contunually posting on the thread and bringing it to the top of the front page yet again, it is no more than reporting a matter which is very close to the hearts of most people on here who have children. As also said very early in the thread, this is not a witch hunt nor will it be tolerated to turn into one. Due process through the Courts, however, will be keenly awaited.
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i never wanted this to turn into a witch hunt but felt that children need to be protected & if by posting this they will be then i am happy
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I dont think this has turned into a witch hunt at all, Everyone has been carefull with posting not to offend incase its not true or what they think, generaly a lot of restraint has been used, on a difficult subject. Members can make an informed decision on what to do in the interim, and if innocent im sure Lee would totaly understand.
I have to ask tho, this was your 1st post did you join just to make it known? or maybe a partner of a member? (im guessing you are local to welung)
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i never wanted this to turn into a witch hunt but felt that children need to be protected & if by posting this they will be then i am happy
It hasn't and it won't.
But will add, please don't bump threads as happened earlier. Like every subject thats reported in life, yesterdays news is tomorrows chip wrapper and sometimes - just sometimes - thats for the best.
If and when there is more news to report (such as after a hearing yet to come) then thats fine and dandy, once its in the public domain via news articles or similar.
Until then, heresay, conjecture and biased opinion are very much not welcome..... :y
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I dont think this has turned into a witch hunt at all, Everyone has been carefull with posting not to offend incase its not true or what they think, generaly a lot of restraint has been used, on a difficult subject. Members can make an informed decision on what to do in the interim, and if innocent im sure Lee would totaly understand.
I have to ask tho, this was your 1st post did you join just to make it known? or maybe a partner of a member? (im guessing you are local to welung)
That is no ones business other than the original poster and any reply either way will be moderated. :y
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I dont think this has turned into a witch hunt at all, Everyone has been carefull with posting not to offend incase its not true or what they think, generaly a lot of restraint has been used, on a difficult subject. Members can make an informed decision on what to do in the interim, and if innocent im sure Lee would totaly understand.
I have to ask tho, this was your 1st post did you join just to make it known? or maybe a partner of a member? (im guessing you are local to welung)
That is no ones business other than the original poster and any reply either way will be moderated. :y
Ok, didnt see any problem, but you can remove that from the post if you want to.
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I dont think this has turned into a witch hunt at all, Everyone has been carefull with posting not to offend incase its not true or what they think, generaly a lot of restraint has been used, on a difficult subject. Members can make an informed decision on what to do in the interim, and if innocent im sure Lee would totaly understand.
I have to ask tho, this was your 1st post did you join just to make it known? or maybe a partner of a member? (im guessing you are local to welung)
That is no ones business other than the original poster and any reply either way will be moderated. :y
this one was particularly a good question.. and need to be asked imo..
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I dont think this has turned into a witch hunt at all, Everyone has been carefull with posting not to offend incase its not true or what they think, generaly a lot of restraint has been used, on a difficult subject. Members can make an informed decision on what to do in the interim, and if innocent im sure Lee would totaly understand.
I have to ask tho, this was your 1st post did you join just to make it known? or maybe a partner of a member? (im guessing you are local to welung)
That is no ones business other than the original poster and any reply either way will be moderated. :y
this one was particularly a good question.. and need to be asked imo..
Carefull Cem, its been said not to ask it or answer it, maybe it would cause the thread to go off on a tangent, where it should be staying focus'd just on the newspaper report for now, until after court and the outcome is printed again.
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I dont think this has turned into a witch hunt at all, Everyone has been carefull with posting not to offend incase its not true or what they think, generaly a lot of restraint has been used, on a difficult subject. Members can make an informed decision on what to do in the interim, and if innocent im sure Lee would totaly understand.
I have to ask tho, this was your 1st post did you join just to make it known? or maybe a partner of a member? (im guessing you are local to welung)
That is no ones business other than the original poster and any reply either way will be moderated. :y
this one was particularly a good question.. and need to be asked imo..
Carefull Cem, its been said not to ask it or answer it, maybe it would cause the thread to go off on a tangent, where it should be staying focus'd just on the newspaper report for now, until after court and the outcome is printed again.
Exactly. :y
It makes no difference to OOF where the OP originates from, be that a relative, next door neighbour or even someone with an axe to grind, come to that. It is not our place to judge anyone or anything other than commenting on the articles on the original links.
To do anything else is, frankly, none of our business. Its between the folks directly involved and the legal process. That the assemblage of OOF 'MAY' have or could be involved as a result then it is shown purely as information and should only be considered as such and not disected into its minutae. :y
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I found out my old scout leader did the same last yr.was a shock as he's been a family friend for 40yrs.it shocked me more cause he never did anything to us so nobody knew. but it was just pictures luckily and no abuse but he's never been seen or heard of since. its a dam shame this happens to people you know,more so for children and families involved. but until its proven in court wrong accusations and gossip can lead to devastating consequences.
Abuse doesn't have to be physical Richie, the kids in the pics found on his computer will be f***ed up for life mentally just by being made to pose for them.
As far as Lee goes, I'll assume that his case has been dealt with as he was posting here only one week ago and part of his bail conditions were that he wasn't allowed on the net for anything other than looking for employment.
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........As far as Lee goes, I'll assume that his case has been dealt with as he was posting here only one week ago and part of his bail conditions were that he wasn't allowed on the net for anything other than looking for employment.
bail condition wording:-
....and not access the internet other than in the course of employment.
which can be interpreted in various ways.
Assume nothing other than what is available in the articles. That way, there is no misenterpretation.
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Didn't he say when he came on here though that he was ready to do work? Which I suppose could be classed as seeking employment?
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........As far as Lee goes, I'll assume that his case has been dealt with as he was posting here only one week ago and part of his bail conditions were that he wasn't allowed on the net for anything other than looking for employment.
bail condition wording:-
....and not access the internet other than in the course of employment.
which can be interpreted in various ways.
Assume nothing other than what is available in the articles. That way, there is no misenterpretation.
:y
That is the wording in the report, not necessarily the actual bail wording, which I would hope would be crystal clear ?
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........As far as Lee goes, I'll assume that his case has been dealt with as he was posting here only one week ago and part of his bail conditions were that he wasn't allowed on the net for anything other than looking for employment.
bail condition wording:-
....and not access the internet other than in the course of employment.
which can be interpreted in various ways.
Assume nothing other than what is available in the articles. That way, there is no misenterpretation.
:y
That is the wording in the report, not necessarily the actual bail wording, which I would hope would be crystal clear ?
My misenterpretation this time! Again, exactly. OOF has no further point of reference and so should assume nothing other than whats directly available to the general public. :y
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It does matter where the story comes from in my opinion. We all know how easy it is to photoshop and create a newspaper report on a pc. false documents and other official papers. considering liberty put the post up within half hr of registering. no offence to her of course. but how did she know he came on here?? As i said earlier false allegations can destroy a persons life forever. I think enough has been said on here now. that's my opinion.
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........As far as Lee goes, I'll assume that his case has been dealt with as he was posting here only one week ago and part of his bail conditions were that he wasn't allowed on the net for anything other than looking for employment.
bail condition wording:-
....and not access the internet other than in the course of employment.
which can be interpreted in various ways.
Assume nothing other than what is available in the articles. That way, there is no misenterpretation.
:y
That is the wording in the report, not necessarily the actual bail wording, which I would hope would be crystal clear ?
My misenterpretation this time! Again, exactly. OOF has no further point of reference and so should assume nothing other than whats directly available to the general public. :y
OOF has no further point of reference
Which to my mind renders further discussion on the subject to be speculative - is there anything else on this unhappy matter that can be said that hasn't been so already?
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OOF has no further point of reference
Which to my mind renders further discussion on the subject to be speculative - is there anything else on this unhappy matter that can be said that hasn't been so already?
Den, I personally agree. I await further discussion in the admin area. :y
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It has been decided to lock, but not delete this thread.
Everything that has been said has been, and I thank all those that have responded in a mature manner, dispite the alleged subject matter.
The fact is we are working from Newspaper articles, as very little information is in the public domain, and unlikely to be until any case has been judged upon by the courts, means everything is speculation, and this in itself is unfair on all those involved.
If we can ever find out the outcome, maybe we can update this thread then, but until then, there is nothing more to add. Rightfully, in my personal opinion given the circumstances, the allergations have been made known to OOF members, which is why this thread will not be deleted at this time.
Please do not start additional threads about this. If you really feel the need to say something, PM me, or if you think I'm a tit, PM one of the other Admins or Mods you do feel more comfortable with - we all are approachable.