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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: albitz on 08 February 2012, 11:34:54
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Good/ bad, right/ wrong ? Discuss ?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2012/02/08/girls-13-get-secret-birth-control-implant-at-school-without-parents-knowledge-115875-23740001/
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Would the parents knowledge stop them having sex? Nope.
Would the parents stop them having the implant and then end up early grandparents? Probably.
Do I think it should be compulsory? Hell yes.
Anything to stop or delay the next generation of miscreants.
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Will the offer of such an implant promote sexual activity among those who otherwise would probably have waited until later in life? Probably.
Will it encourage unprotected sex and the proliferation of STDs? Probably.
Not saying it's a good or bad thing, TBH, but it's certainly not the quick fix that will mend our broken society.
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Tricky from a medical point of view.
Medical In Confidence (Caldicott principles) means that if the girls dont want their parents to know then you cannot divulge the information.
The problem will then come that if they then become sexually active and dont use protection STDs will become the main risk. Ironically some STDs will make them sterile for life.
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Maybe the answer is to give them without their knowledge? ;D
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Maybe the answer is to give them without their knowledge? ;D
We have a few machines that will do that although it is beleived the effect is temporary (a few years rather than life)
"Just stand in this spot here for a second and I will help you in a minute...................all done, now bugger off scrote!" ;D ;D
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Maybe the answer is to give them without their knowledge? ;D
;D I laugh .. although it's a short hop, really, isn't it! Granted it's the thin end of a very large wedge..
Good counterpoints to my slightly antagonistic reply, btw ;)
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Unless I am mistaken, parental responsibility continues until the age of 16. Ergo, parents must be informed. >:(
The state cannot and must not assume the role of the parent without due process. Hiding behind this Medical in Confidence bit is simply wrong, IMHO.
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We found out our daughter had been active from the age of 14.
Apparently she had simply walked into the local 'connexions' centre and was given the contraceptive pill and as many condoms as she could carry - all without our knowledge. Connexions maintain that they are NOT permitted to inform parents of children like ours.
Needless to say we were not impressed at being so effortlessly bypassed.
Of course the whole time she was swearing black was blue that she intended to wait until was at least 16 and that her boyfriend would never ask her to do otherwise.
It seems to me that the system is encouraging kids to start way too young, in the guise of 'protecting' them.
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Maybe the answer is to give them without their knowledge? ;D
We have a few machines that will do that although it is beleived the effect is temporary (a few years rather than life)
"Just stand in this spot here for a second and I will help you in a minute...................all done, now bugger off scrote!" ;D ;D
When I was an apprentice, we were warned about the effects of radar and other high power RF sources. Not sure how it will affect women but it makes men Jaffas. :o :o :o :o
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We found out our daughter had been active from the age of 14.
Apparently she had simply walked into the local 'connexions' centre and was given the contraceptive pill and as many condoms as she could carry - all without our knowledge. Connexions maintain that they are NOT permitted to inform parents of children like ours.
Needless to say we were not impressed at being so effortlessly bypassed.
Of course the whole time she was swearing black was blue that she intended to wait until was at least 16 and that her boyfriend would never ask her to do otherwise.
It seems to me that the system is encouraging kids to start way too young, in the guise of 'protecting' them.
Exactly :y
Kids will be kids but its about time a line in the sand was drawn.
We only get one childhood and imo, kids are driven by the media and peer pressure to grow up too quickly. When you have shops selling pushup bra's and thongs for a girl who is not even in her teen then in my mind, this country is stuffed :(
It makes me laugh when I think of this.
When your a kid, all you want to do is be a adult.
When your a adult, all you want to do is go back and be a kid again :)
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As a parent although all grown up in body and left home ( boys ) i think at the very least parents should be advised. If i was in the situation i would discuss the matter with my daughter and let her decide. In todays society, girls especially have the freedom and pressure to grow up so quick. Without the need for the parents knowledge or final concent is just leading them to belive that they are adults before they have actually grown into one.
Now some boys sould take a compulsory jaffa pill until they grow up ;D ;D
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yep.. its wrong..
Actually I think its a consequence , rather than being the cause.. so wont solve the main problem even if parents are informed..
(comes to the conclusion where Kevin and Aaron pointed out)
whole media is pumping and selling sex everyday.. human body is a meta and communities are very far from giving an aim for life.. Besides parents alone cant control the children every minute at every location..
so at this young age , a young brain cant handle this much hormones without proper help. but I dont think , birth control methods alone can solve problems.. :-\
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here in eastern parts families find an easy way.. get them married early, which is also another disaster solution..
after the children parents have to look babies where even they cant look themselves.. so what happen, all parents, grand parents and their chidlrens and their childrens childrens live together because of economic problems and creates more mess.. :(
and many hungry stomachs to feed.. let alone giving them houses or jobs >:(
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It is a very emotive subject. Sadly at the age of 10 a child has the right to refuse any medical procedure he/she does not want to have, even lf life threatening. I know this because my 11 year old son refused to have a minor op he needed.
It does appear puberty is arriving earlier these days, and perhaps a one size fits all policy/law needs to be changed. Any changes though would never suit everybody. Hence you return back to where you started.
Perhaps doing away with any laws where health/sex/age are concerned would be slightly better. After all it does seem that more laws we make the more criminals we create. What was acceptable yesterday is illegal today.
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Bromide in the tap water - that's the solution. :y
Then make bottled pure water available to those who can prove they are suitably mature and hard-working to support a child. ;)
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Good/ bad, right/ wrong ? Discuss ?
Albs, do you work continuous night shifts per chance?
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Why do you ask ?
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The fact they have even sought the implant means that the chances of them maintaining a healthy (i.e. checked regularly) mature and at least semi-responsible approach to their journey on to adult hood. It's not a parental authority issue and there has been some data to suggest that given the alternative - kids risk it and end up with all matter of "closed minds" or even worse.. pregnant. Even students these days are so much more responsible than they were and that can only be a good thing. Plus the world needs a dammn sight less people - especially people who add a generation purely out of the awkwardness of speaking to parents about something so minor!
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...if theres any doubt about anybodys daughter having underage sex then just take her to the hospital and have it sewn up lol- i hope people see i mean this tongue in cheek...
and if your sons at it then surgically surround his weener with a bird cage lol
...then, when they are old enough you just have to cut the stiches or have the bird cage removed lol
otherwise... children will be children and easily persuaded or give in to peer pressure or just "try it'' i remember what it was like when i was at school, alot of people had already had sex by the time they were in the last year of comprehensive, i even know quite a few people that were at it at the age of 13... thats not myself, i waited till the ripe old age of 18 lmao!
anyway thats my 2P worth and im 23 now so im not that far from being at school
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Its meh 'uman rights, aint it! :o :o :o
Because you can do something it doesn't me you should do something, but unfortunately, media pressure, peer pressure, hormones, younger puberty ages and children's natural instinct to experiment as that how they gain experience in life, means that under age sex and pregnancy is not going to go away any time soon.
If her parents are approachable and had discussed this situation along the lines of: We would rather you waited until you are over 16, but if you must then we would prefer that you use contraception so you don't get pregnant, would the child then feel they could confide in their parents?
Don't forget there are many religious families in this country, where the parents consider sex before marriage a sin, or much worse than this in some communities, so do you protect the child by not telling the parents?
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Good/ bad, right/ wrong ? Discuss ?
Albs, do you work continuous night shifts per chance?
Yep. 18 hour nights.They can't stand the sight of him at home. ;D
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Good/ bad, right/ wrong ? Discuss ?
Albs, do you work continuous night shifts per chance?
Yep. 18 hour nights.They can't stand the sight of him at home. ;D
STMO :o :o
a ghost or my eyes telling me truth ;D
Welcome and glad to see you again :y :y :y
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Hiya Cem, I hope you have been a good boy while I was in prison. Errrrrr.... I mean on my holidays :-[
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Hiya Cem, I hope you have been a good boy while I was in prison. Errrrrr.... I mean on my holidays :-[
dont know ;D ask admins :y
good to see you again :y
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Oh dear god !!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o
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Hiya Cem, I hope you have been a good boy while I was in prison. Errrrrr.... I mean on my holidays :-[
Trust you to pop up in a teenage contraception thread ST! :P :P
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Hiya Cem, I hope you have been a good boy while I was in prison. Errrrrr.... I mean on my holidays :-[
Trust you to pop up in a teenage contraception thread ST! :P :P
Well I can't go on the teenage porn ones anymore, that's what put me away in the first place :-X
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Hiya Cem, I hope you have been a good boy while I was in prison. Errrrrr.... I mean on my holidays :-[
Trust you to pop up in a teenage contraception thread ST! :P :P
Well I can't go on the teenage porn ones anymore, that's what put me away in the first place :-X
Ah so that's why you're gracing us with your presence! ::)
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It's a disgrace, all this liberalism needs to be stamped on. It's better than teaching school kids about gay sex though
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I find it frightening and disgraceful tbh.When the state takes control and even knowledge of childrens sexual behaviour away from the childs parents and denies them the right to any knowledge of the subject or involvement whatsoever, I think we as a society are in a very dangerous Orwellian style state. Morality,and right & wrong have no place in todays teaching about sexuality for some reason.Which may be why it is being taken out of the hands of parents. How can they deny parents the right to any knowledge of their own childrens sexual behaviour and then hold them responsible for childrens behaviour in other matters.It seems ludicrous to me.
The arguments in favour dont hold water imo.In the last 50 years or so there has been a succession of steps taken to apparently reduce unwanted and underage pregnancies - the process started with the pill being freely available to married women,which over the years has "progressed" to pretty much any female of any age can have it and any other form of contraception without even visiting a doctors surgery or a chemist shop.Its brought into schools and given to them as a matter of right.
Abortion was legalised in the 60,s in order to put back street abortion clinics out of business and to save a small number of women from suffering the horrors of an agonising death when they went wrong.Now there are many hundreds of thousands of abortions carried out every year in NHS hospitals, it seems as though its a last resort form of contraception nowadays.
Despite all these measures to prevent young girls from getting pregnant or giving birth to unwanted babies,the rate of teen pregnancy has not reduced in the slightest, but has absolutely exploded during this time.
So,I can only conclude that all these methods,and the trendy,progressive sex education in schools these days has been a complete and utter failure.
We seem to be very good at throwing the baby out with the bathwater in this country (no pun intended) and making percieved problems a whole lot worse. Imo the sinister sexualisation of our children is the real battle to be fought and fought with every weapon available.
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deep breath Albs are you sure you did not miss anything :y
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deep breath Albs are you sure you did not miss anything :y
Well said Albs...... :y
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on topics like this and many others i think back to when i was younger all those years ago listening to the words of old people saying things like
nowadays things are so easy for youngsters, you would never have gotten away with that, its a disgrace etc
I wonder if we who are becoming the older generation feel as sadened, outraged etc as they did or has the situation accelrated from what was thought to be steady progression when i was young
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deep breath Albs are you sure you did not miss anything :y
Well said Albs...... :y
+1 :y :y
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Sex under the age of 16 is illegal full stop. Yes they all do it but but by giving 13 year old girls contraception, despite medical ethics how can it be legal to do so? Yes none of us want any more teenage pregnancies but i'd like to know where the law stands on this.
Either it's illegal to do it or the law is contradicting itself by allowing GP's to prescribe it???? ???
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AFAIK it's simply prescribed for other reasons, rather than contraception (treatment of painful periods and so on)..
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Nope,not any more Aaron.The pill can help with that kind of thing but implants etc. are purely for contraceptive reasons. ;)
Interesting article on the subject by a mother in the Mail a few days ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2098611/My-13-year-old-cuddles-teddy-How-schools-girls-like-contraceptive-implants.html
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Nope,not any more Aaron.The pill can help with that kind of thing but implants etc. are purely for contraceptive reasons. ;)
I stand corrected (said the man in orthopaedic shoes) :y
Afraid to say I'm still all for it, though - but then I'm not a parent, and I'm cynical enough to believe that they're all at it by 13 these days anyway, contraception or not..
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If the lads who are doing it with (to) them start getting locked up for 5 years for rape - that might stop it. ;)
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If the lads who are doing it with (to) them start getting locked up for 5 years for rape - that might stop it. ;)
Ah yes, but then - assuming you can even lock 13 year olds up - you breed a generation of boys who never finished their school education because they spent half their teenage years behind bars..
Guess what they'll do when they get out? Yup, father illegitimate children and spend the rest of their lives on benefits.. though some would argue a large section of society already does that!