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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Del Boy on 24 March 2008, 20:10:24
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My sons xbox 360 has broken tonight this is the second time, it's only 3 months after it was repaired the first time. Now my son has to wait 2-3 weeks to get it back. I hope it gets sorted this time.
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Red ring of death? If so, and assuming it was done by MS agent, they should have modified it to reduce likelihood of reoccurance :-/
Of course, if he's on it every second of the day, it may overheat - send him outside to play ;D
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had my xbox 360 since October, been trouble free.
It is the later one though, has HDMI and updated heatsink.
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On my second. Have to say from the nightmare experience of getting the first one sorted - don't buy from PC World. IMO :y
Got two mates who have them and both are on their third. One of those is now fussy about what DVDs it reads and what it doesn't, a sure sign he is about to go on to no. 4. They bought theirs from Game and have had no hassles at all, straight swaps every time
Shameful reliability >:( >:( >:(
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Got mine back in October 2006, and its still going strong :)
I hammered it aswell given I'm in Uni on a games course, so its been on a hell of alot. Sold it to a friend last July, and he's constantly on the thing now too!
never once skipped a beat or crashed. The only ever problem I had with it was with a dodgy TDU disc! Oh, and busting the headset...
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had mine for a year
i get the top right quarter red ocasionaly but reseting it deals with that fine
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Got mine back in October 2006, and its still going strong :)
I hammered it aswell given I'm in Uni on a games course, so its been on a hell of alot. Sold it to a friend last July, and he's constantly on the thing now too!
never once skipped a beat or crashed. The only ever problem I had with it was with a dodgy TDU disc! Oh, and busting the headset...
Bet its been through a few cost reductions since then!
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Well he's on it about 3 hours a night so it's not over used just stupid reliablity his PS1 and PS2 both still work and he's now his second 360 it's beyond a joke really.
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
Does it have sufficient airflow.
Wii is more fun, both Xbox and PS haven't cottoned on to that yet.
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
Does it have sufficient airflow.
Wii is more fun, both Xbox and PS haven't cottoned on to that yet.
For a couple of weeks then you realise the games are shite and get bored of them.........unless you have had a few beers !
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
Does it have sufficient airflow.
Wii is more fun, both Xbox and PS haven't cottoned on to that yet.
For a couple of weeks then you realise the games are naffe and get bored of them.........unless you have had a few beers !
Thats the key - with Wii, you can come back with your mates, and enjoy a bit of piss taking playing the Wii. MS and Sony games are just too complex to have a 10 minute laugh on after a few jars...
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
Does it have sufficient airflow.
Wii is more fun, both Xbox and PS haven't cottoned on to that yet.
Yeah has a suffcient airflow lot's of air all around it, wii is great for fun and exercise i find the 360 better than the PS3 when you look at actual specs (well thats what my son told me).
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
Does it have sufficient airflow.
Wii is more fun, both Xbox and PS haven't cottoned on to that yet.
Yeah has a suffcient airflow lot's of air all around it, wii is great for fun and exercise i find the 360 better than the PS3 when you look at actual specs (well thats what my son told me).
He knows not of what he speaks......trouble is the PS3 is still awaiting a game that shows its real abilities....
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With a heavy heart I will concede that the PS3 has the potential to be a more capable console, though nobody truely knows how well the processor core will perform.
Expect anothe 18-24months before developers start getting the best from it. Obviously, the new XBOX will be out by then, but not games to show off its power.
However, for most occasional gamers, console power, graphical capabilities et el are missing the point, as the Wii's success has shown. The 'fun' has dropped out of such consoles unless you are a hardcore gamer.
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Well he's on it about 3 hours a night so it's not over used just stupid reliablity his PS1 and PS2 both still work and he's now his second 360 it's beyond a joke really.
PS1 -> PS2 -> ???
You know it makes sense (and they appear to be reliable)
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
Does it have sufficient airflow.
Wii is more fun, both Xbox and PS haven't cottoned on to that yet.
For a couple of weeks then you realise the games are naffe and get bored of them.........unless you have had a few beers !
We have PS2 PS3 and Wii and to be honest there has only been one good Wii game so far (Super Mario Galaxy) loads for the PS2 (I'd still recommend it for a under 10 year old.
PS3 well that is great Motorstorm is Sues favourite game, the boys like Rachent and Clank and I am working through Assasins Creed
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Had mine a couple of years, its been flawless. In fact, only fault I can find is the fan noise is intrusive!
God they are loud aren't they, i'm getting him an Elite model for his birthday and will probably have the other one downstairs for the rest of the family i mean it's a great console live is good fun and he likes it it's not overplayed or anything but he is going to be on his third now in just over a year :o
Does it have sufficient airflow.
Wii is more fun, both Xbox and PS haven't cottoned on to that yet.
Yeah has a suffcient airflow lot's of air all around it, wii is great for fun and exercise i find the 360 better than the PS3 when you look at actual specs (well thats what my son told me).
He knows not of what he speaks......trouble is the PS3 is still awaiting a game that shows its real abilities....
It will be here very soon.
GT5 Prologue looks like a contendor
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For a quick go a couple of online races with Motorstorm are fun.
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[start luddite mode]
Whats an X-box ?? :)
[end luddite mode]
:)
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Got mine back in October 2006, and its still going strong :)
I hammered it aswell given I'm in Uni on a games course, so its been on a hell of alot. Sold it to a friend last July, and he's constantly on the thing now too!
never once skipped a beat or crashed. The only ever problem I had with it was with a dodgy TDU disc! Oh, and busting the headset...
Bet its been through a few cost reductions since then!
Cost £320 from Asda with 2 games....
Sold with 5 games and 2 pads for £210...
:-[
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With a heavy heart I will concede that the PS3 has the potential to be a more capable console, though nobody truely knows how well the processor core will perform.
Expect anothe 18-24months before developers start getting the best from it. Obviously, the new XBOX will be out by then, but not games to show off its power.
However, for most occasional gamers, console power, graphical capabilities et el are missing the point, as the Wii's success has shown. The 'fun' has dropped out of such consoles unless you are a hardcore gamer.
Exactly! I like the 360, the PS3 is 'ok', the Wii is awesome! Purely on the level of entertainment from the games!
360 has some very good games which the PS3 doesn't, the online features on the 360 I find are much better than the PS3 (so I didn't mind paying for Live) The PS3 still feels just like something hashed together, no centralised buddy or naming system, its a bit of a mess...
But again, the PS3 has some quality games itself (Ratchet and Clank for example).
I couldn't care about the tech specs, blu-ray, or whatever. I purely go for the quality of the game on the system! Don't get me wrong, good graphics do help towards it to a point, but some companies are focusing far too much on the realism of the environments than the gameplay itself!
I still like dusting off the Snes or Megadrive for some quality old-skool gameage. Even Goldeneye on the N64 is something which has to be played when mates are round!
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The Xbox 360 can be subject to a number of technical problems. Since the console's release in 2005, the product earned note in the press questioning its reliability and failure rate of the early consoles.
To aid customers with defective consoles, Microsoft has extended the Xbox 360's manufacturer's warranty to three years for general failure errors.
Since these problems surfaced, design modifications have been made to the console to improve reliability. All consoles manufactured after June 2007 have extensive revisions from the earliest units. Modifications include a reduction in the number, size and placement of components, including modifications to the mounting methodology, and a second GPU heatsink to dissipate more heat.
found this on wikipedia and searched xbox 360, i have one made august 2007 so it should not brack down,also to add you can buy a fan cooler from asda for about 20 pounds,it just fits on the back where the power lead fits in :y :y :yby the way hooked on guitar hero 2 and 3 at the moment just so brill 8-) 8-) 8-)
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depending on the type of game you like, there are some real competent offerings coming up for PS3 release....
for example, Farcry 2 , stunning visuals ...(and the music , of course, is wonderful ;) and yes, I've seen rather more than the online teaser... :D )
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depending on the type of game you like, there are some real competent offerings coming up for PS3 release....
for example, Farcry 2 , stunning visuals ...(and the music , of course, is wonderful ;) and yes, I've seen rather more than the online teaser... :D )
Intersting - I'll look for the demo
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With a heavy heart I will concede that the PS3 has the potential to be a more capable console, though nobody truely knows how well the processor core will perform.
Expect anothe 18-24months before developers start getting the best from it. Obviously, the new XBOX will be out by then, but not games to show off its power.
However, for most occasional gamers, console power, graphical capabilities et el are missing the point, as the Wii's success has shown. The 'fun' has dropped out of such consoles unless you are a hardcore gamer.
Exactly! I like the 360, the PS3 is 'ok', the Wii is awesome! Purely on the level of entertainment from the games!
360 has some very good games which the PS3 doesn't, the online features on the 360 I find are much better than the PS3 (so I didn't mind paying for Live) The PS3 still feels just like something hashed together, no centralised buddy or naming system, its a bit of a mess...
But again, the PS3 has some quality games itself (Ratchet and Clank for example).
I couldn't care about the tech specs, blu-ray, or whatever. I purely go for the quality of the game on the system! Don't get me wrong, good graphics do help towards it to a point, but some companies are focusing far too much on the realism of the environments than the gameplay itself!
I still like dusting off the Snes or Megadrive for some quality old-skool gameage. Even Goldeneye on the N64 is something which has to be played when mates are round!
Modern games may be graphically better, with more realism, but for 1st person shooters, the original PC DOOM is still hard to beat for pure gameplay :y
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Give me a pinball machine any day ;D
My cousin used to have one in his living room. I notice it's been relegated to the shed now he's married, but it was perfect after-pub entertainment.
Best to have a detached house if you plan on playing it into the early hours. They are unbelieveably loud in a home environment :o.
Kevin
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Give me a pinball machine any day ;D
My cousin used to have one in his living room. I notice it's been relegated to the shed now he's married, but it was perfect after-pub entertainment.
Best to have a detached house if you plan on playing it into the early hours. They are unbelieveably loud in a home environment :o.
Kevin
Now you're talking :y
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me brothers got a pub style pool table in his house...i stay away from it ::) got my ass kicked too many times by 9 yr old nephew :o...i just picked up moh vanguard yesterday for £10 from blockbusters should clock in a week or so...
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My son said to show you this get ready for an earful he is convinced 360 is better and found all the actual specs and he says it shows ps3 is not as good but is still good. :-?
360
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So it has 3 CPU's (Cores)
2 Hardware threads per Core/CPU
each core has its own cache (like any single CPU has)
512MB of memory of wich 32MB is used for the OS
There is only 1 memory pool meaning the entire 512 is availlable to the system (cept for the OS mem) without performance drawbacks)
10MB embedded ram in the GPU (makes tiling possible wich makes fee AA possible or could be used to do Dx10 like features)
The GPU is a new design a generation ahead of the 7800 GPU used in the PS3
The OS uses 3 percent of one 1 core
Has a GPU designed for the console (its the first GPU on the market with unified shaders and the only one in excistence with embeded ram)
The Xenon and Cell are both OOO (out of order proccecors) and infact from the same family,hence why the 360 CPu can be setup and programed for like wa Cell CPU if the programmers chooses too)
PS3
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The Ps3 is actualy 1 core and 7 SPE's (Hence the name Cell as the SPE's are the cells) for wich one SPE is dedicated and locked to the OS so it is has 6 SPe's for games availlable
(The weight of the OS on the Cell CPU has never been disclosed).
each SPE (Cell) has its own tiny bit of cache.
Its a 256mb availllable for the CPU and 256 for the GPU.these 2 mem pools can talk to each other but that has performance drawbacks.
The GPU is a of the shelve 7800GTX GPU from the PC market with a fixed shader model.(Fitted as a last minute decision ,Plans for 2 Cell CPU's failed since one CELL is not good enough to replace a genuine GPU)
The OS uses 84MB of memory (used to be 96MB) so it has split and less memory availlable system wide.So effectivly it has the least amount of memory available for actual games this gen.(This is why textures suffer)
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I will leave Mark/Jaime to discuss the deeper technical issues, but in simple cold hard facts the PS3 is way ahead of the 360 in processing power.
That said, the 360 is an excellent piece of kit.
Those that say otherwise are being overly brand loyal.
I am neither as I have both (ann a Wii which I love!)
Right now the PS3 has nothing to really show it off as I gather the coding is much more complex than that for the 360. Hence many of the current games are written for the 360 then ported over to the PS3.
End result, they look prety much identical.
As other have said, it will take 18 months or so before we see what it is really capable of. However GT5 may give us an idea...
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Fable 2 and alans wake and gears of war 2 will make the 360 better and show off it's true power look at those specs and see. Please note that my son is intent on proving that the 360 is better ;D
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Now he said that GT5 is amazing he played it at his friends, most multi-platform games look better on the 360 not all of them but 70%, PS3 will show what it's capable of with things like GT5 and the next getaway, but when alans wake and Fable 2 come out you will see what the 360 is capable of. Personally i think they are both good and in the end it's a gaming console.
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LOL he really does love his xbox.
Ive had the same arguments with mates at work who think the 360 is better than the ps3, but to really understand which is more powerfull you need to understand the way that computer componants work and communicate together
The processors are the same in terms of ghz (thats what most people compare them on) but the cell uses it in a more efficient way.
while the 360 has 1mb of cache that has to be shared across its processor the ps3 has 256kb dedicated to each cell with a further 512 l2 cache so actually has 2.304mb but because its dedicated to each cell theres no "que" effect when the cell requires it (the 360's cores have to fight each other for cache)
Same story with the video memory, while the ps3 has dedicated memory the 360 shares what memory it has between all the componants in the system. Yes the ps3 uses more memory for its OS but the type of memory used is xdr which is more efficient, This is what makes the ps3 abit more powerfull than the 360 is the memory bandwidth (speed at which the componants can talk to each other) available in the 360 is 22.4 gb/s while the ps3 has 25.6 gb/s.
The optical drives of each unit has to be taken into account as well, while the 360 uses dvd's with a capicity of 9gb the ps3's bluray drive uses disks capable of storing 54gb which in the future will allow developers to make bigger and better games (when they get off there backsides and start programming for it properly)
while im sure Fable 2 and alans wake and gears of war 2 will make the 360 better and show off it's true power, whis will be its maximum it can preduce while titles like gt5 are still now where near what the ps3 is capible of.
When you add all that to the fact that the ps3 is designed not only to be a gaming console but a media machine and can do 1080p play bluray films and is making use of the psp (like remote access) it makes the ps3 a better console.
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Yeah he still won't budge mate he said Rainbow 6 vegas 2 look at what look better they look similar but the PS3 has worse lighting etc, the textures on the PS3 suffer and the 360 has 10mb of EDRAM which is a more powerful source of memory making fee AA possible, the 360's graphics unit can also use DX10 which the PS3's can't, the way the PS3's memory talk to each other during games has performance drawbacks, if you look at the split memory for both console's the PS3 has less split memory avaliable for games, the GPU in the 360 is a generation ahead of the 7800 GTX in the PS3. PS3 has split ram, while 360 can use all ram for textures, PS3 has to address the CPU ram to do that, whih is hardly viable
And indeed, 360 has 3 EQUAL CPU cores, like 3x the power of one core, like in PC multicore chips.it means that the PS3 has less ram to work with at certain times... in graphic intensive times, the ps3 is limited to 256mb of vram and it can access the cpu ram at a cost... (roughly 40-50% cost equivalent in memory and bandwidth cost to and from the cpu because the ram can only be accessed through the cpu) so... if there was no other activities going on, and only graphic generations, there would be roughly 384mb of vram available and 0 cpu ram available... but in the Xbox 360's case, it would be the same situation without the cost of accessing the ram. so in the same case, it would have 348mb of vram and 128mb of cpu ram available...
the second scenarios is during loading... this requires as much ram as possible because it is being taken from the disk, goes through the cpu and stored temporarily on the ram... this means that graphics won't be much of use and there would be minimal ram being used for video processing... in this case, PS3 would be limited to 256mb of ram flat while the Xbox 360 would have almost the entire 512mb of ram for this buffer/loading...
Plus the 10MB EDRAM free both bandwidth and physical ram for games. Also the same games eg rainbow 6 vegas 2 which were developed from scratch on the PS3 as well as the 360 PS3 runs at 34FPS and the 360 runs at 62FPS.Developers have also said that the PS3 is a nightmare to develop for due to blu-ray coding being harder than DVD9 also due to it's 256 of ram and 256 of split ram devs hate that and all the developers say something similar to the ps3's ram being deicated is very annoying as it can make load times a lot longer and it doesn't have 8 cores... it has ONE core and 7 SPEs...the SPES aren't full cores... they have no instructions and a tiny cache...256kb of cache divided between the 7 SPEs. I'm not typing anymore my hand is hurting now he does love his 360 even though it's broke. Strange as he want's a PS3 for christmas for blu-ray :-? But an Xbox Elite for his birthday
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from a gamers point of view, xbox hands down for me, the controllers are much easier, more accurate...
With the xbox now costing just £160... its a PS3 killer.
Facts remain, xbox 360 outsells PS3 - 3:1 in every country except Japan!
For at least the comming year, the graphics will be much the same between them.
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To be honest in my opinion not from my son's point of view mine the 360 is a better gaming machine the PS3 is a better multi media machine but it's a gaming console not a media console from what my son has shown me in specs i would say the 360 looks better to be honest. But gran turismo 5 looks absolutely amazing, but fable 2 looks amazing too.
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I'm not a games player but the below link is an interesting use of PS3's and gives another perspective to there power!
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/
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16 blimey that a lot of money, on another not cops with camera's is on itv1
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Mt Xbox is going strong and i have had it for a year now, I play PGR3 alot so if anyone fancies a race online my Xbox name is Hans Device
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LOL he really does love his xbox.
Ive had the same arguments with mates at work who think the 360 is better than the ps3, but to really understand which is more powerfull you need to understand the way that computer componants work and communicate together
The processors are the same in terms of ghz (thats what most people compare them on) but the cell uses it in a more efficient way.
while the 360 has 1mb of cache that has to be shared across its processor the ps3 has 256kb dedicated to each cell with a further 512 l2 cache so actually has 2.304mb but because its dedicated to each cell theres no "que" effect when the cell requires it (the 360's cores have to fight each other for cache)
Same story with the video memory, while the ps3 has dedicated memory the 360 shares what memory it has between all the componants in the system. Yes the ps3 uses more memory for its OS but the type of memory used is xdr which is more efficient, This is what makes the ps3 abit more powerfull than the 360 is the memory bandwidth (speed at which the componants can talk to each other) available in the 360 is 22.4 gb/s while the ps3 has 25.6 gb/s.
The optical drives of each unit has to be taken into account as well, while the 360 uses dvd's with a capicity of 9gb the ps3's bluray drive uses disks capable of storing 54gb which in the future will allow developers to make bigger and better games (when they get off there backsides and start programming for it properly)
while im sure Fable 2 and alans wake and gears of war 2 will make the 360 better and show off it's true power, whis will be its maximum it can preduce while titles like gt5 are still now where near what the ps3 is capible of.
When you add all that to the fact that the ps3 is designed not only to be a gaming console but a media machine and can do 1080p play bluray films and is making use of the psp (like remote access) it makes the ps3 a better console.
The PS3 had the potential to be a good console but had to be compromised for marketing reasons, mainly as it was nowhere near ready to be released on time.
To understand my Sony released it prematurely (and henced compromised) you need to look at Sony's background.
Sony had 'bet the company' on the success of Bluray (another as yet unfinished product). Unfortunately for Sony, Toshiba's complete HD-DVD was lanuched, and was cheaper than Bluray. To win the HD war, Sony needed to get PS3 on the shelves (as it was always going to be the cheapest BR player). Also, Sony have a massive brand loyalty, moreso than any other electronics/tech company. I used to be one of the 'Sony Sheep', but thats another story :-X. Because of this brand following, the PS3 would always sell, purely on the back of PS/PS2 customers. This was their strategy to get (even technically compromised) PS3s in the home and stand a chance in the HD wars. This is also the reason that PS3s are being sold at a loss - Sony really, really, really needed to get PS3s in homes at any cost.
Had Sony have waited until the PS3 was ready as the designers had wanted, HD-DVD would have been too well entrenched, BR would have failed, and Sony would have died with it. Shame :-X
It is not really possible to say which is better, as we haven't seen either consoles' potential yet. Halo3 is pretty impressive on the Xbox though.
I wouldn't own a PS3 purely on principal. I wouldn't own an Xbox for games either. My Xbox is purely for MCE, and as an MCE Extender, nothing touches a 360.