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Title: DIY question.
Post by: albitz on 15 February 2012, 12:26:12
Im sh1te at DIY, and hate doing it but needs must.....
Got to paint some walls with emulsion. Some areas of paint flaking off,so if I just paint over the top the flaking will still be visible.
How to prevent this ? Sandpaper the edges of the areas concerned before painting ? Or is there some trade secret which does it better/easier ?
Tia. :)
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: tunnie on 15 February 2012, 12:38:07
just small flakes? I'd sand it off so its smooth, wash down walls then paint.

If its small chunks of flakes, I'd mix up some poly filler, fill it in, let it dry, sand smooth & paint  :y
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: albitz on 15 February 2012, 12:40:37
quite large areas flaking.Its not plaster just paint flaking.Dont fancy sanding it all level & smooth,but if thats the only way to do it then so be it. :-\
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: Martian on 15 February 2012, 12:41:57
Im sh1te at DIY, and hate doing it but needs must.....
Got to paint some walls with emulsion. Some areas of paint flaking off,so if I just paint over the top the flaking will still be visible.
How to prevent this ? Sandpaper the edges of the areas concerned before painting ? Or is there some trade secret which does it better/easier ?
Tia. :)
Aside from the new paint falling straight off again, it will also be more prominent than the proverbial "spare part at a whores wedding" when the paint dries.

I'd personally hit it with a bit of 80 grit (or thereabouts) paper to remove the flaky paint and then lay a thin skim of "Easyfill" type polyfilla and rub flat when dry.
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: albitz on 15 February 2012, 12:45:36
Two answers saying much the same thing.That looks like a decision then.Visit to DIY shop tomorrow unfortunately. :(
Got loads of wet& dry,but no sandpaper.Plenty of bodyfiller but no pollyfilla. ::) ;D
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: jimac on 15 February 2012, 12:54:27
After you've finished you'll probably appreciate just how reasonably priced a painter & decorator can be!
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 February 2012, 12:56:31
I had a constant battle with a wall that kept flaking paint off at the last house. I don't know what paint had been used underneath but it was flaking off in some places and stuck like the proverbial to a blanket in others. I would bite the bullet and take the wall down to plaster. That way you know you're only doing it once.
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: tigers_gonads on 15 February 2012, 13:16:12
A trick I learnt was to rub it down then mix a very small amount of filler powder with some old matt white imulsion then roller it on. Leave it to dry out for a couple of days then give it a light rub down  :y
Works a treat  :y
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 15 February 2012, 13:55:26
I had a constant battle with a wall that kept flaking paint off at the last house. I don't know what paint had been used underneath but it was flaking off in some places and stuck like the proverbial to a blanket in others. I would bite the bullet and take the wall down to plaster. That way you know you're only doing it once.

agreed.. although fillers can be used, wont  stay long and you have to do it again.. check if there is a water pipe beneath it.. a similiar situation I had with the neighbour and it required to repair their leaking bath pipes >:(
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: mantahatch on 15 February 2012, 15:25:43
Two answers saying much the same thing.That looks like a decision then.Visit to DIY shop tomorrow unfortunately. :(
Got loads of wet& dry,but no sandpaper.Plenty of bodyfiller but no pollyfilla. ::) ;D

Nothing wrong with using bodyfiller on your walls, have done it many times. I go round hook off all the loose stuff, mix up filler and apply. 15 minutes later and I am ready to rub down. I can't be bothered waiting for poxy polyfilla to go off.

I also use a half sheet sander all over the walls, they cost a lot more but are well worth the extra. Third sheet sanders are not worth buying.

Just my useless 2p worth
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: Gaffers on 15 February 2012, 15:37:46
Nah, you could empty your bank account and 2-Pack Epoxy paint it!  As long as the wall is dry and oil free it sticks like man-juice on an Essex girl  ;D ;D
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 February 2012, 15:48:29
I had a constant battle with a wall that kept flaking paint off at the last house. I don't know what paint had been used underneath but it was flaking off in some places and stuck like the proverbial to a blanket in others. I would bite the bullet and take the wall down to plaster. That way you know you're only doing it once.

agreed.. although fillers can be used, wont  stay long and you have to do it again.. check if there is a water pipe beneath it.. a similiar situation I had with the neighbour and it required to repair their leaking bath pipes >:(

I think the problem I had is that the original paint, in addition to flaking in some areas, was incompatible with the emulsion I was trying to cover it with. So, you'd sand off all the loose stuff, paint over the paint that's firmly stuck, stop for a cup of tea and then find that stuff had started bubbling off underneath the new paint. >:(
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: henryd on 15 February 2012, 15:51:09
Two answers saying much the same thing.That looks like a decision then.Visit to DIY shop tomorrow unfortunately. :(
Got loads of wet& dry,but no sandpaper.Plenty of bodyfiller but no pollyfilla. ::) ;D

Nothing wrong with using bodyfiller on your walls, have done it many times. I go round hook off all the loose stuff, mix up filler and apply. 15 minutes later and I am ready to rub down. I can't be bothered waiting for poxy polyfilla to go off.

I also use a half sheet sander all over the walls, they cost a lot more but are well worth the extra. Third sheet sanders are not worth buying.

Just my useless 2p worth

I use body filler on interior walls as well,I bloody hate diy so the faster it drys the quicker I finish  :y:y
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: CaptainZok on 15 February 2012, 15:52:52
Have you tried the Mr Bean method? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MAmWnOznI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MAmWnOznI)
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: tunnie on 15 February 2012, 16:11:36
Have you tried the Mr Bean method? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MAmWnOznI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MAmWnOznI)

Classic  :y
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: martin42 on 15 February 2012, 16:42:07
mix up some pva with water and paint that on to the surface,then then paint will take to it,hth  :y
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: OOMV6 on 15 February 2012, 16:54:36
I had a constant battle with a wall that kept flaking paint off at the last house. I don't know what paint had been used underneath but it was flaking off in some places and stuck like the proverbial to a blanket in others. I would bite the bullet and take the wall down to plaster. That way you know you're only doing it once.

You have 2 choices, Albs. Quick and dirty now, to be repeated within the year, or bite the bullet, take your time and do it right now.
Before sanding the "edges" use a thin scraper around said edges to ensure you get all loose stuff off. It may not look loose, but it certainly will once you roll over it with a roller full of emulsion. The filler idea is fine, but not guaranteed. Personally I would go with Kevin's suggestion. Good luck
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: aaronjb on 15 February 2012, 16:59:25
Nah, you could empty your bank account and 2-Pack Epoxy paint it!  As long as the wall is dry and oil free it sticks like man-juice on an Essex girl  ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: Seth on 15 February 2012, 17:00:19
Wash the walls with Sugar Soap.
Sand-off the flaking areas, and liberally coat these with PVA adhesive.
Paper the wall(s) with a Fresco-type wallpaper.
Paint in the colour of your choice.

Just completed the self same task here - job done! :y

Mrs Seth's very pleased with the finished result too, so 'happy days etc'! ;D
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: albitz on 15 February 2012, 18:22:55
Have you tried the Mr Bean method? ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MAmWnOznI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MAmWnOznI)

That was Mr. Bean trying my method. ;) ;D ;D

Plenty of interesting suggestions there.Will have a think and try the easiest a few of them and see what works best.Thanks everyone. :y
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: scimmy_man on 15 February 2012, 19:29:22
plasterers have an "in" joke of polishing one area so paint wont stick, it brings the fats to the surface,

rub down clean with sugar soap, and give it a light coat, then paint it properly.
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: STMO123 on 15 February 2012, 21:08:21
Useless, Irish layabout can't even paint a rather wall.
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: Gaffers on 15 February 2012, 21:13:43
Indeed!  You know you are crap at something when the useless student is confidently giving you advice ;D
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: albitz on 15 February 2012, 21:16:46
Useless, Irish layabout can't even paint a rather wall.

A scouser calling an Irishman a layabout.break me ragged,talk about glass houses.
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: albitz on 15 February 2012, 21:18:26
Indeed!  You know you are crap at something when the useless student is confidently giving you advice ;D

Fair point,well made. :P ;D ;D........I do detest DIY with a passion though. ::)
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 15 February 2012, 21:54:19
i rather paint than work on a v6 albert more fun to paint :y :y :y :y :y :y and it one thing i can still do
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 15 February 2012, 21:56:02
Useless, Irish layabout can't even paint a rather wall.

A scouser calling an Irishman a layabout.break me ragged,talk about glass houses.
i like that albert ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DIY question.
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 16 February 2012, 01:03:06
Two answers saying much the same thing.That looks like a decision then.Visit to DIY shop tomorrow unfortunately. :(
Got loads of wet& dry,but no sandpaper.Plenty of bodyfiller but no pollyfilla. ::) ;D

as Martian said use easy fill made by gyproc we use it to tape and fill plaster board and smooth out joints etc  you can get it from brewers or jewsons small bags mix with water or ready mixed tub the later is easy to sand very easy and dusty though :y :y you will never use polyfilla again