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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Andy B on 17 February 2012, 21:22:35
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17069235 ??? ??? ??? ???
It's one way to deal with a cyclist I suppose!! And it's a good way to get yourself a gaol sentence!
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It looks like the cyclist swerved first, to me. No excuse for trying to kill the bloke, mind.
Though whenever I think of cyclists, I always think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s0XsulDXtk (Monkey Dust was a funny show..)
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after having one of these 2 wheeled idiots threw my windscreen and writing off my veccy gsi i have no time for them. Especially after getting a six month ban for reckless driving even though the idiot jumped off the pavement. My only solace is that i hospitalized the tinker for 3 months.
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Before you go slating cyclists, try being one for a week. It'll give you a different perspective on the subject.
Oh, and we are not all law breaking lunatics. Most of us obey the rules of the road. :y
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Before you go slating cyclists, try being one for a week. It'll give you a different perspective on the subject.
Oh, and we are not all law breaking lunatics. Most of us obey the rules of the road. :y
Lies, lies I tell you! *rants like a mad man* ;) ;D
You do see some utter plonkers on bikes, though (just as you do in cars) - I saw one yesterday; wearing all black, riding a black bike, in the dark, with no lights, on the road. As he squeezed up the inside of a line of traffic the first you knew of him was when he was beside you, appearing as if from nowhere, like a ninja.
He's begging to get knocked off, riding like that - at least have one of those poxy flashing LED lights ffs so I stand half a chance of seeing you! (he did have a dimly glowing rear light, incidentally, just nothing on the front)
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http://youtu.be/XX2X2a6QGhc (http://youtu.be/XX2X2a6QGhc)
were only jealous. :)
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They get my back up too, giving us a bad name >:(
That said I have 2 high power flashing led front and rear lights, a high vis vest and reflective strips on my clothing. The lights are on day or night yet still I am invisible to motorists. I was knocked off twice last year, both times the drivers were either on the wrong side of the road or not giving way at a priority to on coming vehicles feature.
It works both ways and until you've experienced being in the saddle there is not a lot one can say :y
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http://youtu.be/XX2X2a6QGhc (http://youtu.be/XX2X2a6QGhc)
were only jealous. :)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Wouldn't push the mig that easy ;D
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To be fair, I did (once upon a time) ride a bike (for recreation and to get to work & back). Granted, as a quick glance at my stature would confirm, it was a long time ago ;D
It was hairy, at times, even on quiet country roads. Although the worst situation I found myself in was having "Get off the road you fat bastard" yelled at me by a car full of pikeys.
[edit] I still think Cyclists should be required to have insurance and pay road tax, though ;)
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Before you go slating cyclists, try being one for a week. It'll give you a different perspective on the subject.
Oh, and we are not all law breaking lunatics. Most of us obey the rules of the road. :y
I thought I'd get a nibble of the bait from you .............. didn't expect you to take the lot though! ;D ;D ;D
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[edit] I still think Cyclists should be required to have insurance and pay road tax, though ;)
I do. :y
(cycling insurance + road tax on my car :y)
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[edit] I still think Cyclists should be required to have insurance and pay road tax, though ;)
I do. :y
(cycling insurance + road tax on my car :y)
Road tax on your car doesn't count ;) Otherwise I should only pay road tax on one of my two cars on the same basis.. :P
Good that you have insurance, though!
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Unfortunately Guys there's no such thing as road tax it was abolished in 1937, its a vehicle tax and doesn't help to pay for the upkeep of roads that all comes out of national and local taxes.. So cyclists and motorists all pay for the roads..
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in the winter i occasionally see a black guy on a black bike in dark clothes and no lights and i think ffs,yes theres some tossers out there but bloody ell thats a bit harshand could of been murder
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Unfortunately Guys there's no such thing as road tax it was abolished in 1937, its a vehicle tax and doesn't help to pay for the upkeep of roads that all comes out of national and local taxes.. So cyclists and motorists all pay for the roads..
Hm, ok. Registration plates and a license, then. At least a stab at weeding out the morons, that way, and some way of tracking the ones who are :)
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its the 1's who constantly go through red lights that piss me off,if they use the road they must obey the laws,doesnt mean they can ignore red lights at crossings and junctions,and they should all have lights,if they havnt fixed penalty fine and insurance >:(
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I think when they go for a driving licence, everyone should have to spend a day (say, 8 hours) riding a bike through traffic, riding (or pillioning) on a motorcycle, driving a car, bus, and HGV (again, perhaps passengering from the cab), to understand the difficulties each one faces.
I'm a cyclist, I try my best to be a decent one - and at night, I masquerade as a wom- er, Xmas tree, with a self-abuser jacket on for good measure. The mouth breathers of society still try to get as close as they can though.
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The mouth breathers of society still try to get as close as they can though.
I find that by being assertive about my position in the road helps with that. I dont mean riding in the middle of the road but if you give them a gap with inches to spare they'll take it. If the road or gap is narrow move out and you'll force them to overtake you properly :y
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Seems a fair cop to me. Regardless of your attitude to cyclists, trying to run people over in a bus deserves a term with big winston, and I'd expect a professional driver to rise above such things.
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Seems a fair cop to me. Regardless of your attitude to cyclists, trying to run people over in a bus deserves a term with big winston, and I'd expect a professional driver to rise above such things.
My title was very much tongue in cheek & I agree completely Kevin. Who in their right mind tries to use a bus to get back at anyone else on the road, let alone a cyclist ???
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I think when they go for a driving licence, everyone should have to spend a day (say, 8 hours) riding a bike through traffic, riding (or pillioning) on a motorcycle, driving a car, bus, and HGV (again, perhaps passengering from the cab), to understand the difficulties each one faces.
I'm a cyclist, I try my best to be a decent one - and at night, I masquerade as a wom- er, Xmas tree, with a self-abuser jacket on for good measure. The mouth breathers of society still try to get as close as they can though.
I am with you on that one.I would also include riding a horse too. When I hitched as a student, I was amazed that lorries had to change gear on hills on Motorways. Once they lost speed it took forever to build it up again unlike in a car.
In Spain older and young folk who haven't ever passed a test can legally drive an Aixam type car. Great for mobility but they seem to have little road sense(perhaps) understandably. It is easy enough just to drop back a bit and give them space. Unfortunately people don't have any patience anymore in the stressed up world we live in.
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darwin has a habit of dealing with idiots,and people who play silly buggers with bus's with little more than skin for protection are always going to get hurt.to++ers the pair of them
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The mouth breathers of society still try to get as close as they can though.
I find that by being assertive about my position in the road helps with that. I dont mean riding in the middle of the road but if you give them a gap with inches to spare they'll take it. If the road or gap is narrow move out and you'll force them to overtake you properly :y
Oh aye, through narrow gaps and the like - but sometimes on an open, wide road they still pass within 3 inches of my right elbow just to be tossers. All part of the fun, seeing if I can catch them up and watch them try to blank me at the next set of lights...
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Although I dont condone what the bus driver did, I think the cyclist probably deserved it. If I remember right he banged on the bus, did something to its wipers and argued with the driver probably enraging him. Next time he wont argue and will probably just keep quiet. I personally dont understand people who demonstrate road rage by engaging other drivers and in the process upsetting them. You are just asking for trouble by doing that. I just have a rant within my car and will never try to get into an argument. Just worsens things and you never know how loony the other person is.
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I think the cyclist probably deserved it.
We don't know the full picture of what happened, the cyclist did some stupid things but we don't know caused him to loose his rag. It may have been something serious. The driver is lucky not to have been done for attempted murder tbh.
To say he 'deserves' something like that is downright childish and a somewhat dangerous sweeping remark. >:(
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The mouth breathers of society still try to get as close as they can though.
I find that by being assertive about my position in the road helps with that. I dont mean riding in the middle of the road but if you give them a gap with inches to spare they'll take it. If the road or gap is narrow move out and you'll force them to overtake you properly :y
Spot on advice :y
Back in the mid 90's the missus decided she wanted a bike licence and as it was her first time on 2 wheels I went out with her as her pillion just to see how she would get on. Although she had road experience (and confidence) in a car, she was over cautious on 2 wheels and this was obvious by her general demeanour and road position (almost riding in the kerb).
One day we were out and we had this f**ckwit BMW driver who was driving so close that I could almost step off the bike and straight on to his bonnet. We eventually came to a set of lights and I got off with the intention of telling him to back off a little as she was obviously a learner and he would never react in time if she had to do an emergency stop.
In typical BMW driver fashion the driver got a little chopsy and responded with "if the silly tart ain't confident enough she shouldn't be on the road". I instantly flipped (she may be daft, but nobody calls her a tart) and poked said BMW driver straight in the eye with a gloved forefinger before getting back on the bike and telling the missus to ride away.
I went for his eye for 2 reasons:
1. It's very painful (for the recipient) and also ensures I have enough time to make good my escape before they hit me back.
2. He obviously wasn't using his eyes at the time, so I figured the temporary loss of one wouldn't have an impact on him.
I also gave the missus the same advice as you regarding assertiveness on the road and once she started riding accordingly it became a much more enjoyable pastime for her.
Another thing I have also noticed is that the bigger the bike the less the likelihood of other drivers trying to take the piss, I can only guess that's a psychological thing going on.
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Seems a fair cop to me. Regardless of your attitude to cyclists, trying to run people over in a bus deserves a term with big winston, and I'd expect a professional driver to rise above such things.
My title was very much tongue in cheek & I agree completely Kevin. Who in their right mind tries to use a bus to get back at anyone else on the road, let alone a cyclist ???
Doesn't matter what the vehicle is, if you've lost the plot to the point where you consider it acceptable to use a vehicle to teach someone a lesson then you shouldn't be on the road full stop IMO.
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Eeek !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDAYkdlKEGI&feature=related
Lucky escape there :o
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Eeek !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDAYkdlKEGI&feature=related
Lucky escape there :o
Completely his fault too! I wonder who paid for the scrape down the side of the pick-up! ???
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Eeek !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDAYkdlKEGI&feature=related
Lucky escape there :o
Completely his fault too! I wonder who paid for the scrape down the side of the pick-up! ???
What a c0ck! Lucky he came out of that one alive.
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we have a ring road thats 2 lanes both sides and a good cycle path on both sides yet cyclists still use the road.yes i know you dont have to use a cycle path but i cant understand why you would want to use the road and mix with cars etc
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I think the cyclist probably deserved it.
We don't know the full picture of what happened, the cyclist did some stupid things but we don't know caused him to loose his rag. It may have been something serious. The driver is lucky not to have been done for attempted murder tbh.
To say he 'deserves' something like that is downright childish and a somewhat dangerous sweeping remark. >:(
Perhaps, but if you decide to engage the driver by banging on the bus, and then arguing with them and fiddling with his wipers then surely you dont expect the driver to give him a hug? I would think what the cyclist did was more childish and unwarranted.
Once again I dont condone the drivers actions, but if what the cyclist did prior to this happening is true, then are you surprised this happened to him?
The last link above is why I personally hate bl00dy wan**r cyclists. I guarantee you, they are all wan***r cyclists in London. I have yet to see one waiting at a red light or not try and squeeze into an impossibly narrow gap.
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Perhaps, but if you decide to engage the driver by banging on the bus, and then arguing with them and fiddling with his wipers then surely you dont expect the driver to give him a hug? I would think what the cyclist did was more childish and unwarranted.
Once again I dont condone the drivers actions, but if what the cyclist did prior to this happening is true, then are you surprised this happened to him?
The last link above is why I personally hate bl00dy wan**r cyclists. I guarantee you, they are all wan***r cyclists in London. I have yet to see one waiting at a red light or not try and squeeze into an impossibly narrow gap.
Bus drivers get abuse, I'm afraid. If not from other drivers, then from pi$$ed up passengers. They need to be able to take it without losing the plot.
I have no idea what this guy did to antagonise the bus driver but, as I said before, if he rose to it then he was unsuitable as a bus driver and, regardless of any provocation, trying to run someone over with a bus is not excusable. I guess it all worked out OK in the end, though, because I can't see him doing that job again in a hurry. :y
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Having said that, it does seem that more motorists are anti-cyclist since the rise of the lycra-clad "I'm super-fit, better than you, exempt from the highway code and nooo! that's not really a bald patch under this cycle helmet" type of "W****r cyclist" evident in the second video. :(
I came up against a bunch of them on a Sunday morning a while back, three abreast, lycra'd up, on a country road. Obviously thought they were so super fit that they didn't need to ride single file to allow the traffic to pass like I was taught in my cycling profficiency test. >:(
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I came up against a bunch of them on a Sunday morning a while back, three abreast, lycra'd up, on a country road. Obviously thought they were so super fit that they didn't need to ride single file to allow the traffic to pass like I was taught in my cycling profficiency test. >:(
Just 3 of them? A while back, I came across a whole club load of lycra louts that deemed it OK to fill the complete country road so no bugger could overtake. They them get the hump when you're within inches of them as you overtake. >:(
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i live right on the route for the olympic cycle race last year was a test run absolute farse, now we have every dick with a bike here having ago at the course,not a problem if gray matter was used but no,groups of and single cyclists amoungst traffic 5 deep sometimes on the road not on the cycle paths amoungst 70 mph traffic,in the village i meet bikes comeing down the hill on my side of the road and i get shoutted at ?the road is only just about one and a half cars wide so its tight,they also ride out of the village right out and accross the flow of traffic instead of the underpass ,prob have a death before the olypics even starts.
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The last link above is why I personally hate bl00dy wan**r cyclists. I guarantee you, they are all wan***r cyclists in London. I have yet to see one waiting at a red light or not try and squeeze into an impossibly narrow gap.
Thanks for the insult.
What you don't relaise is that it goes both ways. Drivers hating cyclists is just going to make more of them break the law. Cyclists flauting the law is going to make more motorists angry (or jealous perhaps?) If you dont give him/her the room to move across to the other side lane to turn right then he will think his only option is to go before the light and get in front of the motorists.
I see plenty in London, including myself, who adhere to the law. I wonder if maybe you only pay attention to those who go through red lights? Although your tar-us-all-with-the-same-brush comments speak more about you than any cyclist you may have come across.
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All road users, hate all other road users especially those in other types of vehicles as it stops them progressing in a hassle free way. It is like during the rush hour we ALL complain about congestion as if it is a third party problem (everybody else), if we are driving on that road, we are part of that congestion. :-[
When I drive my car, motorcycle or bike, I obey the law as much as possible and try to drive as safely as possible, which includes being very defensive on a motorbike and bike as regardless who's fault it is your the one who gets hurt.
I like to have good situation awareness, so you can anticipate other motorists doing stupid things and try to be considerate to all other road users, use my indications (hand signals on bike), so other road users know what I'm doing, rather than having to guess. :y
I see and have seen, very bad, dangerous driving by all types of road users but I also see much sensible considerate driving from all types as well. Everybody makes mistakes, including me, I accept that which is why I'm reasonable tolerant on other peoples mistakes. The road users I hate are the moronic cretins, who have no road sense and are far too arrogant, important, and in such a hurry, for the law any other sort of consideration to possibly apply to them and are quite happy to recklessly endanger not only their own and passengers lives but those of other road users as well. >:( >:( >:(
This sort of cretin can range from a pedestrian dodging cars crossing the road, yards from a pedestrian crossing, cyclists jumping lights to idiots doing 60mph+ showing off on a Saturday afternoon in a busy high street (yes, I've seen it down Camberley High Street).
If you asked me to pick out a group of road users who are generally the most skilled and courteous, then it would probably be HGV drivers and the most reckless (especially towards cyclists), young drivers, parents doing the school run and taxi drivers.
The reason cyclists tend not to use cycle paths is that most of them are useless and not fit for purpose and if you are a high speed cyclist then cycle / pedestrian paths are more dangerous than cycling on the road as hitting a pedestrian at speed will hurt you and them and have caused fatalities.
When I used to belong to Farnborough and Camberley cycle club and was very, very fit, (I wish I was that fit now!) I used to do 100-200 miles a week on my bike and do 20-25mph on the flat and up to 50mph down hills and there were cyclists much faster than me who could average 30-32mph on flat, many of whom did time trialing and racing with a few becoming professional cyclists. This sort of cycling with cycle paths and pedestrians is much, much too dangerous.
When I used to go out with the cycle club on a Sunday morning, we would typically do 50 to 60 miles, using country roads as much as possible, so we caused the least disruption to other road users, the roads were much quieter than they are now, but did we occasional cause minor congestion, yes, just like 30 to 50 cars using the same stretch of road would. ::) ::) ::)
The British used to be known for their tolerance and respect for each other. Since the 1960's this has got progressively worse and is something, regretfully, pretty much lost from our society, with the selfish, me first, it's me 'uman rights ain't it, attitude all too prevalent now. >:( >:( >:(
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... I wonder if maybe you only pay attention to those who go through red lights?...
I've yet to see a cyclist stop at a red light ............ ??? ??? ???
I ain't jealous of them not queueing, I have a bike too that I can beat the traffic on ................ my bike has an engine though ;D ;D
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You, obviously haven't seen me on my bike, as I always stop at red lights.
Looking for a cyclist and stress free way to travel? :y
Well here's your answer (and Guffer would approve): :y
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-17084308 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-17084308)
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The last link above is why I personally hate bl00dy wan**r cyclists. I guarantee you, they are all wan***r cyclists in London. I have yet to see one waiting at a red light or not try and squeeze into an impossibly narrow gap.
Thanks for the insult.
What you don't relaise is that it goes both ways. Drivers hating cyclists is just going to make more of them break the law. Cyclists flauting the law is going to make more motorists angry (or jealous perhaps?) If you dont give him/her the room to move across to the other side lane to turn right then he will think his only option is to go before the light and get in front of the motorists.
I see plenty in London, including myself, who adhere to the law. I wonder if maybe you only pay attention to those who go through red lights? Although your tar-us-all-with-the-same-brush comments speak more about you than any cyclist you may have come across.
Do you have to make this personal? I have not yet made a remark directed to you personally as such, yet you have made 2 posts making assumptions about my attitude and me as such.
I have no problems with any other type of road user. I hate cyclists because of the lack of accountability (eg: lycra wearing dickhead scratches the side of my car and makes a run for it across a red light, by the time the light has changed to green he has disappeared down some side road. No number plates or any way of tracking him down? If it was a car at least I have a number plate to prove my lack of fault to my insurer).
Its just my opinion of them, dont make it personal please and avoid making assumptions about my character! I enjoy cycling myself, but do so away from the congestion of London where there are fewer cars and less danger.
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Round them up put them in a field and bomb the bar stewards.
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WTF?
When you go out of your way to a courteous cyclist who obeys the rules of road you dont expect to be lumped together with the wreckless ones. If you cannot distinguish between those that break the law and those who are sensible road users then that is foolish. And I will take it personal if you call me a w**ker, just like you would if the tables were reversed.
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Round them up put them in a field and bomb the bar stewards.
Yes, all of them. Couldnt agree more. Have yet to see a courteous cyclist. All of them seem rubbish and some are very touchy! ;D
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Random generalisation is the sperm of dissent and resentment.
Tarring all members of ANYTHING or ANYONE will always lead to tears.
Remember:-
Some cyclists are law abiding and keep to the highway code.
Not all cops are pricks.
Not all blondes are stupid.
Not all folks with tatts from wrist to ankle are neds and hard of thinking.
Not all disabled badge holders park indiscriminently.
Not all young ladies who dress like tarts are on the game.
Not all OOFers jump in with both fingers on the keyboard without thinking.
etc etc etc
You get the gist.
please, play nicely.
:-*
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My title was very much tongue in cheek & I agree completely Kevin. Who in their right mind tries to use a bus to get back at anyone else on the road, let alone a cyclist ???
Hmmm, I'm still compiling a list of people that spring to mind so be patient. ;D ;D
No but seriously, normal cyclists cause me no grief, it's the new breed of super fast cyclist that are downright dangerous. You need to be able to see someone to be courteous to them but these guys just fly out of nowhere. I think they have turned it into a sport judging by the video's on You Tube. Perhaps a broom handle through the spokes would slow them down. ;) Normal cyclists need not fear. :y
Regards
Alan
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ah, the good old cyclist post again ;DTBH they are no different than any other road users-albeit a tad more vulnerable! Of course you can always see examples of some of them being complete tw*ts-riding with no lights/riding 2 abreast/jumping on and off pavements without looking etc etc but then how many examples of bad driving by car drivers do you also see virtually everyday from idiots driving without their lights on even in fog to those who choose to do 30 in a 60 causing a long queue of angry motorists behind them or else driving far too fast for the conditions and cutting people up/tailgating?It isnt just BMW(or should that now be Audi ;D) drivers or white-van man either. Of course, us mig drivers are all exemplory road users ::)