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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Impact Pete on 22 February 2012, 22:03:14
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Anyone know anywhere I can get approx 4 or 5 deep cycle batteries second hand for fork truck, mine has litterally died aftera few 2v cells have gone due to corrosion of the terminals.
They seem like gold dust and when available silly money
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Not much help from me but we run a couple of lorry bateeries in our pedestrian fork lift. Not ideal but works well enough IMHO.
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You need to state the cell size and dimensions as they are all very different.
Problam is that these single cell parts are mega expensive (4.5K for a set of starting ones for ther loco!) that and the fact they have quite a bit of lead in them so are not worthless.
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You need to state the cell size and dimensions as they are all very different.
Problam is that these single cell parts are mega expensive (4.5K for a set of starting ones for ther loco!) that and the fact they have quite a bit of lead in them so are not worthless.
Thought I would test the water first so spec is below, the problem I have is that no one wants to sell a cell for under £300 unless bought in 6's then they want to fit them and remove the old ones which are worth quite a bit at my scrappers.
They all say don't put a recon battery with the older ones I have but to be honest I paid £500 for the truck 15 years ago and a couple of recon/second hand cells mixed in with what I have will be fine for the length of time I will keep it and usage it has.
Spec;
LANSING BAGNALL TRUCK FOER52S7
MODEL NO:3024TLFL
SERIAL NO:3094281
48V
12X 2V CELLS
DIMENSION: WIDTH=158mm DEPTH=140mm BODY HEIGHT=400mm BODY HEIGHT WITH FILLER CAP:430mm
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Not much help from me but we run a couple of lorry bateeries in our pedestrian fork lift. Not ideal but works well enough IMHO.
Someone else suggested that to me running 4 12v lorry batteries but I don't think they will cope with the size of ampage needed to run this truck, it is 48v at a constant high amperage I think personally for this truck they would not last long. :-\
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Lorry batteries are TOTALY unsuitable as they are a starter battery and not a deep cycle battery and hence would be donald ducked very quickly.
The closest you would get is the likes of a Trojan T105 (6V as used in golf carts etc), still not cheap.
I will have a quick look tonight and see what we have but the dimensions you have are quite a bit smaller than we normaly have lying about.
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Lorry batteries are TOTALY unsuitable as they are a starter battery and not a deep cycle battery and hence would be donald ducked very quickly.
The closest you would get is the likes of a Trojan T105 (6V as used in golf carts etc), still not cheap.
I will have a quick look tonight and see what we have but the dimensions you have are quite a bit smaller than we normaly have lying about.
Hi thanks for that, I agree about the lorry battery the fact that the 2v cells are the size they are is an obvious indicator of what is needed, when truck moving as well as operating hydraulic pump the strain on the batteries is immense
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Have you not thought about trying the railway or finding a preservation the see if they have any spare coach batterys for sale. :-\
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Have you not thought about trying the railway or finding a preservation the see if they have any spare coach batterys for sale. :-\
I work next door to Pirtek hoses they have people like that in every day as well as regular fork truck repairers, no one is interested :(
If I said I had £2k everyone would be knocking my door down.
I have a dead cell with good terminals but it registers a minus voltage and when in the 'pack' of 24 it drained all the others in a couple of days, 3 cells have totally corroded terminals
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We actually find the lorry batteries are more than capable of doing the job on our 24v machine. The machine is used for about 1 hour per day and is charged up once a week. Battery life is about 2 to 2.5 years. Battery cost is about £115 each last time we purchased.
Even if used more, and more batteries are rquired the cost saving is still huge. Plus I get to recycle the batteries when worn out :y
I would add our forklift is used for some very fine movements. In an engineering environment. Can't say anymore I am afraid.
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We actually find the lorry batteries are more than capable of doing the job on our 24v machine. The machine is used for about 1 hour per day and is charged up once a week. Battery life is about 2 to 2.5 years. Battery cost is about £115 each last time we purchased.
Even if used more, and more batteries are rquired the cost saving is still huge. Plus I get to recycle the batteries when worn out :y
I would add our forklift is used for some very fine movements. In an engineering environment. Can't say anymore I am afraid.
There are some trucks out there with smaller battery packs the Komatsu etc batteries like this on -bay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-LUCAS-FORK-LIFT-TRUCK-BATTERY-KOMATSU-FLT-BD180-BC240-2-YR-GTEE-/380413108933?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item58926362c5
but this is a big old truck 3 stage lift and running at 48v it would fry a battery like that
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I have a mate who is rather fond of old Lansing Bagnall trucks. I've asked if he might be able to help. :y
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Have you not thought about trying the railway or finding a preservation the see if they have any spare coach batterys for sale. :-\
I work next door to Pirtek hoses they have people like that in every day as well as regular fork truck repairers, no one is interested :(
If I said I had £2k everyone would be knocking my door down.
I have a dead cell with good terminals but it registers a minus voltage and when in the 'pack' of 24 it drained all the others in a couple of days, 3 cells have totally corroded terminals
If its just one cell you will be able to bridge it out.
If you can move the cells around so the dead cell is taken out off the loop.
You can re-lead the terminals on the corroded good cells.You need a piece of carbon no less than 1/4 inch DIA and 6inch long attach it to a jump lead and using the good 24v battery taking 12volt from it to heat the carbon tip up and using a battery terminal mould tool,melt lead over the terminals that are corroded(mind clean the old crap off first) DON'T have the batterys on charge as hydrogen is give off whilst charging and wear a full face mask.
Ive done this on several occasions to fork trucks and was shown by a fork truck enginer
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I have a mate who is rather fond of old Lansing Bagnall trucks. I've asked if he might be able to help. :y
Thanks, getting more help on here than the last year elsewhere! :y
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Have you not thought about trying the railway or finding a preservation the see if they have any spare coach batterys for sale. :-\
I work next door to Pirtek hoses they have people like that in every day as well as regular fork truck repairers, no one is interested :(
If I said I had £2k everyone would be knocking my door down.
I have a dead cell with good terminals but it registers a minus voltage and when in the 'pack' of 24 it drained all the others in a couple of days, 3 cells have totally corroded terminals
If its just one cell you will be able to bridge it out.
If you can move the cells around so the dead cell is taken out off the loop.
You can re-lead the terminals on the corroded good cells.You need a piece of carbon no less than 1/4 inch DIA and 6inch long attach it to a jump lead and using the good 24v battery taking 12volt from it to heat the carbon tip up and using a battery terminal mould tool,melt lead over the terminals that are corroded(mind clean the old crap off first) DON'T have the batterys on charge as hydrogen is give off whilst charging and wear a full face mask.
Ive done this on several occasions to fork trucks and was shown by a fork truck enginer
I did that 2 years ago, which has caused the problem of the other cells near it getting damaged.
Sorry don't understand the rest of what you said, The terminal tops on 2 have totally dissapeared nothing to tap a bolt into I have heard of building back the posts but there is nothing much left to build onto and I don't have the tools or knowhow
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Have you not thought about trying the railway or finding a preservation the see if they have any spare coach batterys for sale. :-\
Coach batteries are a little light generaly, normaly around the 220Ah mark and not good at delivering high current.
The current is probably not as high as you think (any KW ratings anywhere for the motor?) as otherwise they would be quad terminals to handle the thrutch (ala Loco start batteries and when some people fit standard commercial ones to save a few quid, they blow the terminals off!)
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Have you not thought about trying the railway or finding a preservation the see if they have any spare coach batterys for sale. :-\
Coach batteries are a little light generaly, normaly around the 220Ah mark and not good at delivering high current.
The current is probably not as high as you think (any KW ratings anywhere for the motor?) as otherwise they would be quad terminals to handle the thrutch (ala Loco start batteries and when some people fit standard commercial ones to save a few quid, they blow the terminals off!)
I found a Battery plate with the truck, it has no signs of if it was the original as it was floating around the pedal area when purchased, Also the company I bought it off were a research and development company in battery technology, don't think the exist now so the potential is the plate does not match the truck :-\
But this is what it says;
Varta industrial batteries ltd
Volts 48 - So correct so far..
Capacity 424 (C5) written next to it
Cell type 8PEB 424
Weight - Not etched into plate
Serial no. BH00947
Date - 7 / 87 ! :o so probably the original plate before a previous battery change? :-\
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There's everything you wanted to know (and probably more) about a Lansing Bagnall truck here:
http://electrokinetica.org/d1/6/index.php (http://electrokinetica.org/d1/6/index.php)
OK, it's a smaller model and 24V but has details of the current it draws. By comparing the lifting capacity, physical sizes of the motors, etc. you should be able to arrive at a ballpark level of current draw, remembering that with a 48V supply you'll have half the current for a comparable power rating.
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There's everything you wanted to know (and probably more) about a Lansing Bagnall truck here:
http://electrokinetica.org/d1/6/index.php (http://electrokinetica.org/d1/6/index.php)
OK, it's a smaller model and 24V but has details of the current it draws. By comparing the lifting capacity, physical sizes of the motors, etc. you should be able to arrive at a ballpark level of current draw, remembering that with a 48V supply you'll have half the current for a comparable power rating.
Thanks for the link, still need to find something suitable though, otherwise it's going to be an angle grinder a days work and a few trips to metal merchants!
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Had a check in the usual places yesterday and we have nothing.
The only thing close was a large stash of 110Ah NiCad (so 1.2V cells) from the APT and some loco start batteries which were goosed (and WAY to big plus not deep cycle so no good)
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Had a check in the usual places yesterday and we have nothing.
The only thing close was a large stash of 110Ah NiCad (so 1.2V cells) from the APT and some loco start batteries which were goosed (and WAY to big plus not deep cycle so no good)
Never mind, thanks for looking
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My mate suggests contacting Les Barns at Barns Battery Services.
He said that size should be widely available and the above contact supplied a set of much rarer batteries for £400. Location in Essex might not be ideal, though.
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My mate suggests contacting Les Barns at Barns Battery Services.
He said that size should be widely available and the above contact supplied a set of much rarer batteries for £400. Location in Essex might not be ideal, though.
Thank you for this, I rang and spoke to Simon who offered me 4 cells that I need for a good price just got to meet half way as Derby to Essex is 3 hours!
He was surprised no one had got any, but I have tried for months now ringing round with no joy, this is the first person who made sense and knew exactly what I needed
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Excellent! Glad it appears to have helped. :y