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General Discussion Area / Re: Which universe are we in?
« on: 03 September 2015, 11:55:13 »42.
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General Discussion Area / Re: Which universe are we in?
« on: 03 September 2015, 11:16:57 »Where did the material for big bang come from?
Matter and anti-matter is created all the time and you get characteristic emissions where this happens in a vacuum. What is not known is why there appears to be more matter than anti-matter in the universe.
Make the most of now, as we are after 13.2 billion years through about half the energy created by big bang and in another 13 billion years the universe will be cold and dark where entropy has won.
STMO and Lord Opti are on a half-time break and looking forward to the second 13 billion years.
I have no problem with the BBT, creation of matter and anti-matter etc. But I do not believe that you can just create an exact copy of arrangement, alignment and movement for every single atom, infinitely from nothing. You would also in theory have to duplicate the energy applied to all the mass in every new universe in exactly the same way. As we know energy cannot be created or destroyed but only transformed. So if we lived in this multiverse then each incarnation would have to share energy with the last, and so on for infinity....it just doesn't work.
Exactly, plus all of the other infinite time-lines of possible choices that were made in every instance or millisecond in history that a "choice" was offered (to who???). I don't think this person has seen Back to the Future and appreciates the butterfly effect
I say a big fat no to the theory that giving a monkey a typewriter an infinite amount of times guarantees that the complete works of Shakespeare will be written eventually.
This type of mathematical reasoning seems blinded by numbers.
I say his sums are off anyway. He said he calculated a finite amount of possible arrangement of atoms that the universe could be arranged. But that totally ignores the 4th dimension of time. That would then multiply that number by an infinite amount of timelines making it no longer a finite number.
Where the opps are you going to store all of this information and mass??
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General Discussion Area / Re: Which universe are we in?
« on: 02 September 2015, 23:11:35 »
Hello all!
I signed up to this site just to comment about this crazy BBC Horizon episode. (I can usually be found on the Ford Owners Club. http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/user/68308-trevken/ )
Monsieur Guffer & STEMO, you are completely correct. Not one shred of evidence, even though she said it was becoming self evident.
The quantum computer bit was interesting but out of date I think. The latest quantum computers can process "best route" type computations slightly more efficiently than a normal computer processor, but nothing of significance yet.
I personally think there may be some truth, but only in the quantum level and they are jumping to conclusions because of these quantum phenomena. Similar to the psudo scientists that jump to magical conclusions because of the implications of quantum realm.
Ironically, one of the biggest reasons for scientist insisting that multiverses "need" to exits is because the only other explanation for having a universe with exactly the right physical properties and laws for us to exist is to say that there is a god that made it that way.
Therefore there must be infinite universes that exist and we're just lucky enough to be in the once capable of creating planets of stable mass, supporting life in the goldilocks zone.
Monsieur, spot on with point 1... I'd like to ask that guy if he believes in free will or a deterministic one, and if so is that the necessary ingredient for branching off a new reality. If so, what level consciousness can do this, a human only, primate, or can a microbe's choice also do this?? It is almost laughable.
I signed up to this site just to comment about this crazy BBC Horizon episode. (I can usually be found on the Ford Owners Club. http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/user/68308-trevken/ )
Monsieur Guffer & STEMO, you are completely correct. Not one shred of evidence, even though she said it was becoming self evident.
The quantum computer bit was interesting but out of date I think. The latest quantum computers can process "best route" type computations slightly more efficiently than a normal computer processor, but nothing of significance yet.
I personally think there may be some truth, but only in the quantum level and they are jumping to conclusions because of these quantum phenomena. Similar to the psudo scientists that jump to magical conclusions because of the implications of quantum realm.
Ironically, one of the biggest reasons for scientist insisting that multiverses "need" to exits is because the only other explanation for having a universe with exactly the right physical properties and laws for us to exist is to say that there is a god that made it that way.
Therefore there must be infinite universes that exist and we're just lucky enough to be in the once capable of creating planets of stable mass, supporting life in the goldilocks zone.
Monsieur, spot on with point 1... I'd like to ask that guy if he believes in free will or a deterministic one, and if so is that the necessary ingredient for branching off a new reality. If so, what level consciousness can do this, a human only, primate, or can a microbe's choice also do this?? It is almost laughable.
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