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[Rods2]

Man is a risk taking animal and we most of take risks in our everyday lives. To say you can take this risk but not that risk is the nanny state at the extreme. 

To say they are putting the rescuers at risk is also to me demeaning them as they volunteer to do the job, knowing their are risks involved. It is the same with marshaling at motor race meetings, etc, etc.

In this country we tend to put people down for taking risks and failing, where as in the US the mentality is I might of failed this time, but I will succeed next time, whether in business, sport or leisure and you will get a slap on the back and good luck, as this is the US can do attitude.

In the US starting a business, being successful and making big profits, so you are rich is living the American dream and is applauded, over here you get called rude names, get envy stripes down your car and whose only useful social function is to pay taxes. So is it any surprise that the US economy is 3% bigger than 2008 and ours in 3% smaller, with the defeatist attitudes in this country.

In sport, we showed in the Olympic and paraOlympics what we can do by taking risks, which created great pride and happiness in much of the nation. We need more support of risk takers is all walks of life as on the whole they better life and society.

RIP to the mountaineers who have sadly lost their lives, this weekend. They were right to take the calculated risks, sadly they have paid the price of the unexpected. 

[cem_devecioglu]

a risk is worth taking if there is a valuable income..
 
tell me whats the income for climbing a snowy, frosty , rocky heap..
 
feeling "I conquer this!"..

[Lizzie_Zoom]

a risk is worth taking if there is a valuable income..
 
tell me whats the income for climbing a snowy, frosty , rocky heap..
 
feeling "I conquer this!"..

The pure joy of doing it Cem.  Of living and knowing it!

Some / many things are far greater than any monetary worth!

[Rods2]

a risk is worth taking if there is a valuable income..
 
tell me whats the income for climbing a snowy, frosty , rocky heap..
 
feeling "I conquer this!"..

Most people that are very successful in business, the money is very nice and reward for the risks, but I built the business and conquered the market, where I beat the competition gives great satisfaction. 

[cleggy]

Man is a risk taking animal and we most of take risks in our everyday lives. To say you can take this risk but not that risk is the nanny state at the extreme. 

To say they are putting the rescuers at risk is also to me demeaning them as they volunteer to do the job, knowing their are risks involved. It is the same with marshaling at motor race meetings, etc, etc.

In this country we tend to put people down for taking risks and failing, where as in the US the mentality is I might of failed this time, but I will succeed next time, whether in business, sport or leisure and you will get a slap on the back and good luck, as this is the US can do attitude.

In the US starting a business, being successful and making big profits, so you are rich is living the American dream and is applauded, over here you get called rude names, get envy stripes down your car and whose only useful social function is to pay taxes. So is it any surprise that the US economy is 3% bigger than 2008 and ours in 3% smaller, with the defeatist attitudes in this country.

In sport, we showed in the Olympic and paraOlympics what we can do by taking risks, which created great pride and happiness in much of the nation. We need more support of risk takers is all walks of life as on the whole they better life and society.

RIP to the mountaineers who have sadly lost their lives, this weekend. They were right to take the calculated risks, sadly they have paid the price of the unexpected. 

I used to be a member of BMRMC and loved it, bit of a challenge setting up a stage at midnight in the Dolby forest with first cars through at 04.00 in the middle of winter. Headlights and glowing brake discs reflecting the snow, flask in pocket to keep warm . Had some great times from training days, RAC, Mintex and clubman rallies to the British GP, some dedicate people who keep motor sport alive. The only reason I gave up was through idiot spectators who became abusive and used bad language towards me when I would ask them not to stand on the outside of a 90% bend for their own safety. In the end I gave up, if they want to die let them, shortly after some spectators were killed, I felt sorry for the driver and co-driver . If I remember correctly, they then had closed stages and spectator special stages. 

[cem_devecioglu]

a risk is worth taking if there is a valuable income..
 
tell me whats the income for climbing a snowy, frosty , rocky heap..
 
feeling "I conquer this!"..

The pure joy of doing it Cem.  Of living and knowing it!

Some / many things are far greater than any monetary worth!

I have more joy sitting in a hot comfortable home than freezing my ar** in a snowy mountain..
 
sorry Lizzie

[Lizzie_Zoom]

a risk is worth taking if there is a valuable income..
 
tell me whats the income for climbing a snowy, frosty , rocky heap..
 
feeling "I conquer this!"..

The pure joy of doing it Cem.  Of living and knowing it!

Some / many things are far greater than any monetary worth!

I have more joy sitting in a hot comfortable home than freezing my ar** in a snowy mountain..
 
sorry Lizzie

That's all right Cem...............you big softy!

Nothing better than sailing or canoeing for me and getting dumped in lovely cold sea or river water.  Lovelyyyyyyyyyyy!!

PS In my early childhood days we only had an outside toilet.  I tell you, in the winter that WAS a risk!!

[pscocoa]

this thread could get a bit messy - more people than you think lose their lives in places like Ben Nevis for example - usually from being underprepared in kit terms or under researched - for example Five Finger Gully on Ben Nevis claims a lot of victims when cloud comes in and people think they are on the main path without GPS etc and it just drops them off the edge.

If anyone ventures into these things less than well prepared and more importantly convinces others that they know what they are doing then there is a responsibility to be discharged.

I saw so many on Ben Nevis not really prepared - not saying that the current tragedy was because of this but basically there is no easy conclusions that you can draw - this group may have been well prepared but just unlucky.

If mountaineering floats your boat and your family responsibilities are catered for if you snuff it then so be it..

[cem_devecioglu]

mountain climbs are made in summer iirc..