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[Rods2]

All this talk about a new EU negotiated position etc. The reality is that the EU will do what it wants, regardless of the wishes of elected Governments. Don't like elected national Government's handling of EU relations, replace them with unelected EU stooges like what happened in Greece and Italy.

Don't like one of the biggest net contributors to the EU budget complaining about the proposed increase in the EU budget from 2014-2020, where their elected MPs have voted for no rise. Easy work out how to make their veto not a veto, so you carry on regardless. Yes, the UK will no longer have a veto of the EU budget. EU officials have found a way that if Dithering Dave uses this to comply with our Parliaments wishes then the EU are going to ignore it and spend however much of OUR money they so wish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9826926/EU-considered-freezing-Britain-out-of-budget-deal.html

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Sorry Rods2, but as you have started another EU thread, which is very topical, away from Cameron and his speech, I must repeat what I suggested at the end of the other thread.

Yes, my suggestion is outlandish, may even be absurd in the short term, but could it be an answer in the long term, especially when the Euro and the EU fall apart?  Could GB break away from this EU nonsense and take with us in a trading partnership a very strong partner? So here goes:

Perhaps then this is the answer to the European question:



Great Britain and Germany working together to form a new alliance to create a new economic and industrial future in each country, with mutual respect for each others strengths.  Britain would retain the Pound Sterling, whilst Germany would re-introduce the Mark.  Both would break the ties that hold them currently responsible to financially hold Europe together, and introduce national restrictions on immigration as two trading partners.


Thoughts?

Could this work?  Would it resolve once and for all the unworkable difficulties the EU is currently going through?  Would it give Great Britain a new beginning without the shackles of the EU?

Germany and Great Britain are actually natural allies, and have very similar strengths, interests, and objectives (apart from the EU situation).     

[cleggy]

Sorry Rods2, but as you have started another EU thread, which is very topical, away from Cameron and his speech, I must repeat what I suggested at the end of the other thread.

Yes, my suggestion is outlandish, may even be absurd in the short term, but could it be an answer in the long term, especially when the Euro and the EU fall apart?  Could GB break away from this EU nonsense and take with us in a trading partnership a very strong partner? So here goes:

Perhaps then this is the answer to the European question:



Great Britain and Germany working together to form a new alliance to create a new economic and industrial future in each country, with mutual respect for each others strengths.  Britain would retain the Pound Sterling, whilst Germany would re-introduce the Mark.  Both would break the ties that hold them currently responsible to financially hold Europe together, and introduce national restrictions on immigration as two trading partners.


Thoughts?

Could this work?  Would it resolve once and for all the unworkable difficulties the EU is currently going through?  Would it give Great Britain a new beginning without the shackles of the EU?

Germany and Great Britain are actually natural allies, and have very similar strengths, interests, and objectives (apart from the EU situation).     

1918, 1945, 1966 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Sorry Rods2, but as you have started another EU thread, which is very topical, away from Cameron and his speech, I must repeat what I suggested at the end of the other thread.

Yes, my suggestion is outlandish, may even be absurd in the short term, but could it be an answer in the long term, especially when the Euro and the EU fall apart?  Could GB break away from this EU nonsense and take with us in a trading partnership a very strong partner? So here goes:

Perhaps then this is the answer to the European question:



Great Britain and Germany working together to form a new alliance to create a new economic and industrial future in each country, with mutual respect for each others strengths.  Britain would retain the Pound Sterling, whilst Germany would re-introduce the Mark.  Both would break the ties that hold them currently responsible to financially hold Europe together, and introduce national restrictions on immigration as two trading partners.


Thoughts?

Could this work?  Would it resolve once and for all the unworkable difficulties the EU is currently going through?  Would it give Great Britain a new beginning without the shackles of the EU?

Germany and Great Britain are actually natural allies, and have very similar strengths, interests, and objectives (apart from the EU situation).     

1918, 1945, 1966

Exactly Cleggy!  Britain has been a winner, and could be again, with the Germans, as we both were in 1815

[Varche]

IF the Germans left the Euro then their Mark currency would inflate. So a Merc previously costing a peasant in Spain 30,000 euros would then cost say 35,000 euros after currency dealing has had its 1%. Ditto in Britain. There will always be people prepared to buy "prestige" but every day products at inflated prices? Don't think so. Germany would of course be prepared to trade with Britain. My guess is that they already sell us more than we sell them. Oh and if Germany left the Euro then I am confident that the Euro would deflate more making German products even more expensive. No the Germans are stuck with the Euro.

So I don't think a Markised Germany would be a strong trading partner with anyone.

It would also be too late for the immigration issue. The democratic process for Germany to leave the Euro and more importantly the EU would take as long as that proposed by Dithering Dave. The new immigration issue starts to hit in 12 months time.

Still looking rosy for the UK to be in the euro in five years time

[Nickbat]

Brussels has demanded that Britain pay a fine of nearly €300,000 a day for failing to liberalise its energy sector – 24 hours after David Cameron lectured the rest of Europe on the need to complete the single market.

See: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/937085c0-662f-11e2-bb67-00144feab49a.html#axzz2J0K6QjL4

That's £756 million a month

 

Vote UKIP 

[cleggy]

Brussels has demanded that Britain pay a fine of nearly €300,000 a day for failing to liberalise its energy sector – 24 hours after David Cameron lectured the rest of Europe on the need to complete the single market.

See: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/937085c0-662f-11e2-bb67-00144feab49a.html#axzz2J0K6QjL4

That's £756 million a month
 

Vote UKIP 

What can they do when we say freak out not paying   Kick us out

VOTE UKIP

[Entwood]

Brussels has demanded that Britain pay a fine of nearly €300,000 a day for failing to liberalise its energy sector – 24 hours after David Cameron lectured the rest of Europe on the need to complete the single market.

See: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/937085c0-662f-11e2-bb67-00144feab49a.html#axzz2J0K6QjL4

That's £756 million a month

 

Vote UKIP 

I know you have a tremendous bias against all things Europe ... but not even you can rewrite the laws of mathematics surely ??

300,000 x 31 (max no of days in a month = 9,300,000

present rate 1.18 Euros to the pound = 9,300,000/1.18 = £7,881,355.90 a month

only an error BY YOU of about £751 MILLION a month ...

But never let the truth get in the way of a good headline ?? 

[OOMV6]

Maybe we should accept that we actually know not a lot about all this really. The press, after all, aren't known to be tremendously reliable, and that's where the info is coming from. Oh, band wagon - don't forget the band wagon.

[OOMV6]

The subject heading of this thread is misleading.

[cleggy]

Brussels has demanded that Britain pay a fine of nearly €300,000 a day for failing to liberalise its energy sector – 24 hours after David Cameron lectured the rest of Europe on the need to complete the single market.

See: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/937085c0-662f-11e2-bb67-00144feab49a.html#axzz2J0K6QjL4

That's £756 million a month

 

Vote UKIP 

I know you have a tremendous bias against all things Europe ... but not even you can rewrite the laws of mathematics surely ??

300,000 x 31 (max no of days in a month = 9,300,000

present rate 1.18 Euros to the pound = 9,300,000/1.18 = £7,881,355.90 a month

only an error BY YOU of about £751 MILLION a month ...

But never let the truth get in the way of a good headline ?? 

SPOIL SPORT 

[Varche]

I can't see the article to read it, not a subscriber.

Why did we fail to liberalise? I thought Britain was pretty good at liberalising (another word for allowing our companies to be owned by foreigners)

This reminds me of the time Britain got fined for not displaying signs saying project funded with EU money.

[mantahatch]

Sorry Rods2, but as you have started another EU thread, which is very topical, away from Cameron and his speech, I must repeat what I suggested at the end of the other thread.

Yes, my suggestion is outlandish, may even be absurd in the short term, but could it be an answer in the long term, especially when the Euro and the EU fall apart?  Could GB break away from this EU nonsense and take with us in a trading partnership a very strong partner? So here goes:

Perhaps then this is the answer to the European question:



Great Britain and Germany working together to form a new alliance to create a new economic and industrial future in each country, with mutual respect for each others strengths.  Britain would retain the Pound Sterling, whilst Germany would re-introduce the Mark.  Both would break the ties that hold them currently responsible to financially hold Europe together, and introduce national restrictions on immigration as two trading partners.


Thoughts?

Could this work?  Would it resolve once and for all the unworkable difficulties the EU is currently going through?  Would it give Great Britain a new beginning without the shackles of the EU?

Germany and Great Britain are actually natural allies, and have very similar strengths, interests, and objectives (apart from the EU situation).     

1918, 1945, 1966

Exactly Cleggy!  Britain has been a winner, and could be again, with the Germans, as we both were in 1815

Sadly that is probably the last time we got on 

[Nickbat]

Brussels has demanded that Britain pay a fine of nearly €300,000 a day for failing to liberalise its energy sector – 24 hours after David Cameron lectured the rest of Europe on the need to complete the single market.

See: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/937085c0-662f-11e2-bb67-00144feab49a.html#axzz2J0K6QjL4

That's £756 million a month

 

Vote UKIP 

I know you have a tremendous bias against all things Europe ... but not even you can rewrite the laws of mathematics surely ??

300,000 x 31 (max no of days in a month = 9,300,000

present rate 1.18 Euros to the pound = 9,300,000/1.18 = £7,881,355.90 a month

only an error BY YOU of about £751 MILLION a month ...

But never let the truth get in the way of a good headline ?? 

It should have been £7.65m. I took the figure from elsewhere and I agree I should have checked it. But I like the way you have to capitalise the "error BY YOU" bit, instead of merely courteously pointing out the error.

Either way it is £7.65m per month. Which is still represents a huge amount of money....and for what exactly?

Vote UKIP.