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Re: Not good enough
« Reply #15 on: 07 December 2013, 15:27:58 »

Newcastle were good enough - Williamson and Tiote were very good
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Re: Not good enough
« Reply #16 on: 07 December 2013, 16:28:58 »

Unfortunately I think Man Utd are paying the price for a botched CEO and manager plus all back room staff transition all at the same time.

Mistakes:

1. CEO and manager both departing at the same time means they made a complete hash of transfers during the transfer window.

2. They badly need a creative midfield player which was identified but due to point 1 has failed to happen.

3. Replacing the manager and all of the first team coaching staff was a big mistake somebody like Phelan should have been kept on where he knows the players and the players know him to add some continuity.

4. Ferguson's hairdryer was worth a few percent in terms of commitment and effort of the pitch, so the team played better than the quality of some of the players justified, this has now been lost.

Other reasons:

1. The Glazers have cost Man Utd about £1bn since they have taken over just imagine the team if this had been spent on players.

League position:

Over 38 games this shows how consistently good a team is. Man Utd are currently not good playing well enough. The old saying you can't win the league by Christmas but you can certainly lose it applies here. Man Utd are now probably too far behind to win it and unless there is a massive improvement they will not make the top 4. Look how the current top 4 teams are brushing aside opposition that Man Utd are losing to.

If the bad form continues should Moyes be sacked, in a word no, give the man time. He did very well at Everton on a limited budget and you don't become a bad manager overnight.

Personally, I think he should motivate the team after two successive home defeats, by saying training everyday until your next win, so if you don't win before Christmas you are training Christmas day.  :y :y :y :y
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Re: Not good enough
« Reply #17 on: 07 December 2013, 17:22:01 »

Rooney suspended and van Persie injured Rods.

I'm not sure how involved Edwards was in transfers but didn't they sort out Januzi post Fergie retirement? That was a find if ever there was one. Certainly Ferguson won't hear a word said against the Glazers and nothing has changed there that affects a title winning team.

I think Fillaini was a mistake. He might have been a handful at Everton with a Kick and rush style but Utd don't play that way, which exposes weaknesses in his game. Plus he needs a bloody hair cut ;D ...although I don't know if he played today.
 And the back room staff he bought in are mostly Utd old school anyway, certainly a management team he knows. Better than those at Utd though....? :-\

Utd played well against Everton. But they did so in a way that Everton often played well but didn't quite take chances, bemoaned the ref, and where unlucky. That element concerns me more than anything else. Tbh.
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Re: Not good enough
« Reply #18 on: 07 December 2013, 21:59:44 »

IMO people are grasping at straws when they rely referees decisions with the good and bad largely cancelling each other out over the course of a season. Good teams create their own luck.

If Arsenal win tomorrow and drop points at the same rate as they have so far in the season for the rest of the season, then Man Utd cannot win the league even if they don't drop another point for the rest of the season. Moyes is clutching at straws when he was interviewed today saying they were still in the title race, only just about if Arsenal lose or draw tomorrow.
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Re: Not good enough
« Reply #19 on: 07 December 2013, 22:04:13 »

Arsenal are bound to bottle it at some stage, probably in the last 3 or 4 games of the season....  :-\

I hope not though as I'd like to see them win it!!  :y
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Re: Not good enough
« Reply #20 on: 07 December 2013, 22:56:02 »

Woo, I see Van Persie played. (Goal dis aloud) :-\
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