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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

What about a Skoda Octavia Mr Opti 

Undecided, Mr Emd.

It just seems a little bland.

[Andy B]

How about a nice reliable french car?

Surely (don,t call me Shirley) French and reliable can,t be mentioned in the same sentance.   I still have nightmares about the Megane i borrowed.

A bad one then? Wife's Megane coupe is five years old, done 46000 miles and has had two tyres and two services. All the electrics, incl sat nav, have been totally trouble free. So she has a good one.

SWMBO's Shitroen C3 is a 60 plate with less than 25k on the clock.
Last year it had:
....a new improved water pump fitted because the old one leaked ... they all do, so the new pump is ally instead of plastic
.... an oil leak repaired.... something to do with the feed to the 'VTEC' variable cams. Shitroen made an 80% contribution because they all leak and if left, oil feeds up the loom & dumps it in a fuse box somewhere.
.... a new engine temp sensor. There's a modified temp sensor that's fitted instead of the original sensor which is integral to the thermostat housing.
..... A new cam sensor is on order as I type. When I asked about it at Shitroen, he came out to the car & said it's always that one (ie the inlet cam)

At least the car is GREEN!!! 

[tunnie]

How about a nice reliable french car?

Surely (don,t call me Shirley) French and reliable can,t be mentioned in the same sentance.   I still have nightmares about the Megane i borrowed.

A bad one then? Wife's Megane coupe is five years old, done 46000 miles and has had two tyres and two services. All the electrics, incl sat nav, have been totally trouble free. So she has a good one.

SWMBO's Shitroen C3 is a 60 plate with less than 25k on the clock.
Last year it had:
....a new improved water pump fitted because the old one leaked ... they all do, so the new pump is ally instead of plastic
.... an oil leak repaired.... something to do with the feed to the 'VTEC' variable cams. Shitroen made an 80% contribution because they all leak and if left, oil feeds up the loom & dumps it in a fuse box somewhere.
.... a new engine temp sensor. There's a modified temp sensor that's fitted instead of the original sensor which is integral to the thermostat housing.
..... A new cam sensor is on order as I type. When I asked about it at Shitroen, he came out to the car & said it's always that one (ie the inlet cam)

At least the car is GREEN!!! 

Shocking.  In last 25k, my 2.2 has needed nothing but oil changes. That's coming up on 15 years old and 180k, how can something so new be built so poorly?

Yet another reason to avoid cheap new French cars.

[tunnie]

I quite like the looks of the later Honda Legends, nice looking cars, lots of spec. Get the V6 one and then LPG it.

Not sure how Honda engines take to LPG 

[Andy B]

...
Shocking.  In last 25k, my 2.2 has needed nothing but oil changes. That's coming up on 15 years old and 180k, how can something so new be built so poorly?

Yet another reason to avoid cheap new French cars.

Maybe it's BMW's fault ...... apparently the engine is nicked from them 

[Broomies Mate]

Not at all biased, but have a look at the Saab 9-5.  Even the low pressure turbo 2.0 (both the 1.8 and 2.0 badges are 2ltr) shift very nicely, or go the whole hog and get a full pressure (high output) turbo 2.3 (Captial T on later models (lower case 't' means LPT).  The HOT version goes like hell on a stick.... ask me how I know.

1.9Tid is the same engine found in the Astra, Vectra, Alfa, Fiat etc.  I've been told the 2.2 DIesel is a pig although I have no experience.

Very nice car to drive.... SWMBO hated driving the Omega as it was too big, but loves to drive the 9-5, even though it isn't exactly small.

Con's;
The dash is dated... very dated.
Aero Models (like mine) suspension is a little harsh on bad road surfaces, other models are spot on... the Aero corners like a small hatch though.
The steering is, for my taste, a litte over assisted.
Regualr oil servicing is a must.  Saab enthusiasts recommend every 6k on petrol engines. I do mine every 3k.  VX Fully Synthetic is perfect for the job.
For some reason, Insurance is expensive.

Pro's;
Great transmissions, either manual or auto - much better than the Omega manual which is terrible, and the 5 speed Asin Warner Auto box is just a joy.
All Petrol models are very easily and cheaply tuned (if that's your thing).... not only increase performance but also MPG.
The 1.9Tid is easily tuned as well, just like the Vauxhall equiv.
Boot is cavernous on the saloon, similar in size to that of the Omega - The estate is smaller than the Omega estate, but still very practical.
Seats (in leather (not tried the cloth)) are by far the best seats I've had the pleasure to sit in, including the likes of RR/Bently et al.

The best bit:  Dirt cheap to buy.  I consider my purchase as 'expensive'. £1995 for a very well looked after LPG converted '04 plae Aero in top spec.  Every conceivable extra included.

A drive to Gatwick airport and back (from Bristol) stood me in at around £26.  There aren't many 250BHP cars weighing 1600Kg that could do that!

[r1]

Not at all biased, but have a look at the Saab 9-5.  Even the low pressure turbo 2.0 (both the 1.8 and 2.0 badges are 2ltr) shift very nicely, or go the whole hog and get a full pressure (high output) turbo 2.3 (Captial T on later models (lower case 't' means LPT).  The HOT version goes like hell on a stick.... ask me how I know.

1.9Tid is the same engine found in the Astra, Vectra, Alfa, Fiat etc.  I've been told the 2.2 DIesel is a pig although I have no experience.

Very nice car to drive.... SWMBO hated driving the Omega as it was too big, but loves to drive the 9-5, even though it isn't exactly small.

Con's;
The dash is dated... very dated.
Aero Models (like mine) suspension is a little harsh on bad road surfaces, other models are spot on... the Aero corners like a small hatch though.
The steering is, for my taste, a litte over assisted.
Regualr oil servicing is a must.  Saab enthusiasts recommend every 6k on petrol engines. I do mine every 3k.  VX Fully Synthetic is perfect for the job.
For some reason, Insurance is expensive.

Pro's;
Great transmissions, either manual or auto - much better than the Omega manual which is terrible, and the 5 speed Asin Warner Auto box is just a joy.
All Petrol models are very easily and cheaply tuned (if that's your thing).... not only increase performance but also MPG.
The 1.9Tid is easily tuned as well, just like the Vauxhall equiv.
Boot is cavernous on the saloon, similar in size to that of the Omega - The estate is smaller than the Omega estate, but still very practical.
Seats (in leather (not tried the cloth)) are by far the best seats I've had the pleasure to sit in, including the likes of RR/Bently et al.

The best bit:  Dirt cheap to buy.  I consider my purchase as 'expensive'. £1995 for a very well looked after LPG converted '04 plae Aero in top spec.  Every conceivable extra included.

A drive to Gatwick airport and back (from Bristol) stood me in at around £26.  There aren't many 250BHP cars weighing 1600Kg that could do that!

might do  that had a 900 2liter a long time ago and that was a good car.