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[driver115]

last month passed on a car to daughter  - notified DVLA online and I pay the tax for the whole of the month before a refund is due based on a refund from the following month onwards, my daughter was notified online to road tax via a post office, and she pays the tax for the whole of the same month as well - Inland Revenue paid twice for 1 month , they are happy so no problems as vehicle has a current MOT, and insurance in place for the new driver,document trail available for authorities should they need it.

[05omegav6]

This taking the money twice rant is getting boring....

That was exactly the same with the old system, as they only refunded complete months... so then, and now, if you sold a car on the 20th of say May, you would be refunded from June onwards, and the new keeper would tax the car from the 1st of May.

Only thing that has changed is that you can do the whole thing online and pay for it monthly. Both far simpler. :'y

[Nick W]

No Al, the thing that has changed is that you have to cash in the RFL when you sell a car. Previously you could leave it taxed, and neither owner lost money on part-used months.

But it is boring, as the £20 you 'lose' is a tiny part of the cost of buying a car.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I've said it before and I'll say again.    You'd think that in 2015 they could have calculated the RFL on a daily basis rather than monthly.   

Still, suck it up fellas and think of the deficit! 

[aaronjb]

No Al, the thing that has changed is that you have to cash in the RFL when you sell a car. Previously you could leave it taxed, and neither owner lost money on part-used months.

But it is boring, as the £20 you 'lose' is a tiny part of the cost of buying a car.

Unless it's an Omega, then it's 50% of the purchase price..

[Kevin Wood]

No Al, the thing that has changed is that you have to cash in the RFL when you sell a car. Previously you could leave it taxed, and neither owner lost money on part-used months.

But it is boring, as the £20 you 'lose' is a tiny part of the cost of buying a car.

Unless it's an Omega, then it's 50% of the purchase price..

.. or enough money to buy the petrol you used to use driving it to the post office.

[zirk]

If you follow the new rules to the letter, then both the Seller and the Buyer end up paying for the Tax twice in the same month every time a car is sold, so Gov get a double bubble for that month.

Only real way around it is, for the sale transaction date to be on Midnight of the last day of any month, so the Seller gets next months refund and Buyer starts his Tax.

[05omegav6]

If you follow the new rules to the letter, then both the Seller and the Buyer end up paying for the Tax twice in the same month every time a car is sold, so Gov get a double bubble for that month.

Only real way around it is, for the sale transaction date to be on Midnight of the last day of any month, so the Seller gets next months refund and Buyer starts his Tax.

Which could have been done previously anyway

And if you left a car taxed when selling, the only person who lost out was the buyer, and iirc, you could only cash in a minimum of three months, whereas now it is all refunded apart from the current month, so you actually lose less

And if it's the cost of convenience, then so be it...

[Sir Tigger KC]

In the previous system, how did the buyer lose out when buying a car that had a few months of tax left?   

You could get a refund on any complete months outstanding so the minimum refund would have been for one month, which remains the case. 

[zirk]

If you follow the new rules to the letter, then both the Seller and the Buyer end up paying for the Tax twice in the same month every time a car is sold, so Gov get a double bubble for that month.

Only real way around it is, for the sale transaction date to be on Midnight of the last day of any month, so the Seller gets next months refund and Buyer starts his Tax.

Which could have been done previously anyway

And if you left a car taxed when selling, the only person who lost out was the buyer, and iirc, you could only cash in a minimum of three months, whereas now it is all refunded apart from the current month, so you actually lose less

And if it's the cost of convenience, then so be it...

Yea, Im not really disputing who loses out Al, the way I looked at things on the old system was if you bought a car with Tax and Test then that added a value to the sale of the car, or as we know some sellers would say Im cashing the Tax in after I sell, so He maybe lose some days.

The bit, under the new system, which I think is unfair, is, in theory the car needs to be Taxed twice in the same month by the Seller and the Buyer.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The bit, under the new system, which I think is unfair, is, in theory the car needs to be Taxed twice in the same month by the Seller and the Buyer.

Which in this day and age is out of order in my opinion, as it couldn't have too difficult to do it on a daily basis rather than monthly! 

I've got a bee in my bonnet about that!!   

[zirk]

The bit, under the new system, which I think is unfair, is, in theory the car needs to be Taxed twice in the same month by the Seller and the Buyer.

Which in this day and age is out of order in my opinion, as it couldn't have too difficult to do it on a daily basis rather than monthly! 

I've got a bee in my bonnet about that!!   

Exactly, they have a system in place, ready to fine you, if a car is on the road without tax for less than 24 hours, but the system cant supposedly cope with counting the days left for a refund.

In a nutshell, every 'on the road' car thats sold every year, Gov gets 13 months income for 12 months Tax. Or more if it passes hands in that year.