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Re: Wind Turbines Love them or Hate them?
« Reply #45 on: 28 August 2008, 14:49:36 »

imo the turbines are blots on the landscape.
realisticaly, it would seem that nuclear is the way forward.
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Re: Wind Turbines Love them or Hate them?
« Reply #46 on: 28 August 2008, 15:24:38 »

I dont mind them but then i dont have them in my back garden  :y
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« Reply #47 on: 28 August 2008, 15:27:46 »

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They are very inefficient - producing AC at the top which is converted to DC down to the bottom, then back to syncronised AC to pipe onto the national grid which results in a big energy loss.

Clearly he knows not what he is talking about.

As somebody who many moons ago worked on DC link design including the control electronics (AC-DC-AC), the conversion stage will be 90% plus efficient.

And its a must, it has to be done because its the only way you can insert the power into the 50Hz grid!

Consider the variable AC frequency of a wind turbine and the rock steady 50Hz mega power behind the grid....you cant just connect the two together!

I just passed your comments on to him and his response was "do your homework, read up on elongated turbine systems - these are what I work on, notoriously inneficient & unreliable - obvious from the amount of heat the invertors give off and the fact that one of them has to be oil cooled!"

Just the messenger....
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Re: Wind Turbines Love them or Hate them?
« Reply #48 on: 28 August 2008, 15:45:26 »

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They are very inefficient - producing AC at the top which is converted to DC down to the bottom, then back to syncronised AC to pipe onto the national grid which results in a big energy loss.

Clearly he knows not what he is talking about.

As somebody who many moons ago worked on DC link design including the control electronics (AC-DC-AC), the conversion stage will be 90% plus efficient.

And its a must, it has to be done because its the only way you can insert the power into the 50Hz grid!

Consider the variable AC frequency of a wind turbine and the rock steady 50Hz mega power behind the grid....you cant just connect the two together!

I just passed your comments on to him and his response was "do your homework, read up on elongated turbine systems - these are what I work on, notoriously inneficient & unreliable - obvious from the amount of heat the invertors give off and the fact that one of them has to be oil cooled!"

Just the messenger....

Ow dear, another fitter who does not understand.

Efficiency is not directly related to heat output. If the turbine is producing 500KW of power (i.e. a big one) then the converter may well get hot due to the dissipation of 10KW of heat.....but, its still very efficient (in this example 98%).

The biggest loss will be in the distribution grid which approaches 40%




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« Reply #49 on: 28 August 2008, 16:05:06 »

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Bit of a sore point that.

http://www.internationalpowerplc.com/ipr/news/press/pr2008/2008-08-22/

£70M, wonder if we are going to get a bonus this year...

What a monumental thingy-up by a certain OEM.

So, whats the route cause?

Given the cost I am guessing turbines?
New turbines fitted, now being removed.  Old ones going back in.  Think it might be a case of a decimal point in the wrong place by some design engineer!  
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« Reply #50 on: 28 August 2008, 16:10:02 »

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Bit of a sore point that.

http://www.internationalpowerplc.com/ipr/news/press/pr2008/2008-08-22/

£70M, wonder if we are going to get a bonus this year...

What a monumental thingy-up by a certain OEM.

So, whats the route cause?

Given the cost I am guessing turbines?
New turbines fitted, now being removed.  Old ones going back in.  Think it might be a case of a decimal point in the wrong place by some design engineer!  

Lol, not a metric-imperial conversion error then!
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