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[Sir Tigger KC]

if Covid can join with Flu to be much better at spreading then what's to say it won't mutate again with something like cancer ,making it more deadly and potentially making cancer transmissible 

Sigh.... What's to say that the next mutation makes it no more than a runny nose?

Covid passport a violation of your civil liberties perhaps ? 

I believe that they will expand the parameters of the vaccine passport so that it will be impossible to lead any sort of normal life if you don't comply.  So yes a violation of my civil liberties.  Vaccination should be entirely voluntary and people should be encouraged and educated, not coerced or forced into a medical procedure that they don't agree with.  Vaccine passports have done nothing to stop or reduce the spread of Covid anywhere where they have been used.

So if an anti-vaxxer,  who couldn't be arsed to get a covid test before going to a concert or after it, then gives you Covid at the supermarket ,possibly making you seriously ill ,struggling to breathe ,organs turning to mush (or dead)  .how violated would you feel then ?

As we all know unlike traditional vaccines like those for measles etc the new Covid vaccines do not stop you catching, carrying or transmitting Covid so I'm just as likely to catch Covid from someone who is vaccinated as unvaccinated, maybe more so as the vaccinated are probably more likely to be asymptomatic.

Is it really fair to expect the caring people of the NHS to try and cope with another big wave for crap pay, simply because a few people CBA to follow a few simple rules like wearing a mask ,take a test or whinge about civil liberties 

Um yes, sounds harsh I know, but that's their job.  Is it fair to ask a young lad in the army on crap pay and conditions to go into battle and put his life on the line?  Well yes, that's his job and it's what he signed up to.  What's the difference with the NHS?  I think that the people you describe are such a minority that they make little difference in the grand scheme of things anyway, especially as the vaccines don't work as advertised!  I also worry about some kind of two tier society emerging where the unvaccinated are treated like untermench!

We may not like all these measures BUT there are no quick fixes ,until we know all the answers and have a solution, we have to be cautious 

I feel kinda sad for you to be honest Dave as you seem so shit scared of this thing, that you constantly seem determined to see the worst case scenario every time. I've got my doubts whether you will ever be free of it to be honest, but you've survived so far, so whatever you are doing seems to work. Good for you! 

As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people.  I've no reason to disbelieve what the South Africans are saying and see it as good news that people are presenting with a mild illness. Hopefully it's the beginning of the end.   

I'm utterly appalled at the scaremongering that the government and the corrupt media are perpetuating with the their super mutant omicon emergency bullshit narrative! 


I'm also aware that that last sentence might not age well..... 

[Doctor Gollum]

Eloquently put

[TheBoy]

I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...

My decision is that I want to cull the majority of the population.  With a rifle, just to be sure.  Do I have that right to make those decisions when my own beliefs and desires impact so many others?

[TheBoy]

Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.

So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation.  For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.

And if the best way to deal with this currently is little pricks (and I have a real bad phobia of knives and needles), so be it.


I had absolutely zero time for this current government. Covid was the best thing to happen to Boris and chums, as it has detracted from the absolute mess he made of Brexit. Incompetence doesn't even begin to characterise them.  I do, however, have plenty of time for the scientists that are beside him, themselves clearly frustrated at Boris and chums.

As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people.

I will wear one whenever I'm around people not in my household, if I'm going to be in close range of them.  Partly because I don't particularly want it*, and partly out of coutesy to others who also probably don't want it.  If that means I wear one when walking down the High Street on a Saturday, so be it.  Hardly an invasion of my freedom. 

After the SARS1 outbreak 20 years ago, you will notice many Chinese tourists are used to wearing them all the time, even a couple of years ago. The Chinese learnt from that.


*I'm not particularly concerned if I catch it, as I like to think I have a decent chance of it being a mild illness, no worse than the deadly manflu.  I am concerned who I may pass it to, who may not cope so well.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

This. ^ 

[dave the builder]

.... What's to say that the next mutation makes it no more than a runny nose?

BUT ...we don't know what the next mutations will bring do we  we've been caught out before .
hence the need to be cautious .

I believe that they will expand the parameters of the vaccine passport so that it will be impossible to lead any sort of normal life if you don't comply.  So yes a violation of my civil liberties.  Vaccination should be entirely voluntary and people should be encouraged and educated, not coerced or forced into a medical procedure that they don't agree with.  Vaccine passports have done nothing to stop or reduce the spread of Covid anywhere where they have been used.

Vaccine passports show the holder has either gone to the trouble of getting vaccinated ,so someone who is actively TRYING to follow the rules/stay safe OR done a covid test, proving they are not infected  ,which , if nothing else ,means someone testing positive won't be getting in the venue and can instead isolate .

As we all know unlike traditional vaccines like those for measles etc the new Covid vaccines do not stop you catching, carrying or transmitting Covid so I'm just as likely to catch Covid from someone who is vaccinated as unvaccinated, maybe more so as the vaccinated are probably more likely to be asymptomatic.

Some good points there 
I've said all along that Vaccines are not a complete solution yet ,far from it ,vaccines are just 1 tool 
mask wearing, social distancing etc should never have been dropped ,PCR tests should have remained manditory to anyone traveling to the UK .

Is it really fair to expect the caring people of the NHS to try and cope with another big wave for crap pay, simply because a few people CBA to follow a few simple rules like wearing a mask ,take a test or whinge about civil liberties 

Um yes, sounds harsh I know, but that's their job.  Is it fair to ask a young lad in the army on crap pay and conditions to go into battle and put his life on the line?  Well yes, that's his job and it's what he signed up to.  What's the difference with the NHS?  I think that the people you describe are such a minority that they make little difference in the grand scheme of things anyway, especially as the vaccines don't work as advertised!  I also worry about some kind of two tier society emerging where the unvaccinated are treated like untermench!

Again some good points 
I did say caring people of the NHS ,to clarify ... as with all big organisations ,some staff clock in, do as little as they can, clock out and collect their pay, probably phone in sick when the **** really hits the fan  other people do care ,will go way beyond what is required to help people ,stay late etc etc .
The NHS is broken ,has been for a long time ,no quick fixes there ,but it's what we have ATM and is unlikely to change any time soon ,despite throwing ££££££ at it 
People join the army knowing they could go to war and possibly even die , nurses didn't join the NHS with that possibility in mind 

We may not like all these measures BUT there are no quick fixes ,until we know all the answers and have a solution, we have to be cautious 

I feel kinda sad for you to be honest Dave as you seem so shit scared of this thing, that you constantly seem determined to see the worst case scenario every time. I've got my doubts whether you will ever be free of it to be honest, but you've survived so far, so whatever you are doing seems to work. Good for you! 

I've been wearing a mask in shops since before the first lockdown and taken other measures to reduce not only the risk to me but mainly others ,don't feel sad for me 

As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people.  I've no reason to disbelieve what the South Africans are saying and see it as good news that people are presenting with a mild illness. Hopefully it's the beginning of the end.   

excellent  I hope you're right

I'm utterly appalled at the scaremongering that the government and the corrupt media are perpetuating with the their super mutant omicon emergency bullshit narrative! 
I'm also aware that that last sentence might not age well..... 

"Scaremongering" if that's what you see it as is probably necessary because a good portion of the population are stupid  don't think about their actions or the long term effects .
in an ideal world ,people would have stayed safe ,followed rules ,not spread the Virus
You do make some excellent points Sir Tigger  
unlike some of the constant naysay selfish un-researched drivel in some posts on this forum   

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Read this if you have 17 minutes to spare.

Conspiracy theory or worthy of consideration?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TFKkbj01NQ&t=4s

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.

So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation.  For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.

And if the best way to deal with this currently is little pricks (and I have a real bad phobia of knives and needles), so be it.


I had absolutely zero time for this current government. Covid was the best thing to happen to Boris and chums, as it has detracted from the absolute mess he made of Brexit. Incompetence doesn't even begin to characterise them.  I do, however, have plenty of time for the scientists that are beside him, themselves clearly frustrated at Boris and chums.

As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people.

I will wear one whenever I'm around people not in my household, if I'm going to be in close range of them.  Partly because I don't particularly want it*, and partly out of coutesy to others who also probably don't want it.  If that means I wear one when walking down the High Street on a Saturday, so be it.  Hardly an invasion of my freedom. 

After the SARS1 outbreak 20 years ago, you will notice many Chinese tourists are used to wearing them all the time, even a couple of years ago. The Chinese learnt from that.


*I'm not particularly concerned if I catch it, as I like to think I have a decent chance of it being a mild illness, no worse than the deadly manflu.  I am concerned who I may pass it to, who may not cope so well.

Covid...1% fatal (for old people)
Black death plague 50-75% fatal
Man flu.....100% fatal.

[Doctor Gollum]

I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...

My decision is that I want to cull the majority of the population.  With a rifle, just to be sure.  Do I have that right to make those decisions when my own beliefs and desires impact so many others?

You want to... You could... But you may not.

Put another way, ideas and speech are free. Actions have consequences.

[Doctor Gollum]

Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.

So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation.  For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.

The trouble is short term is fast becoming permanent.

Then where will you be?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.

So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation.  For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.

The trouble is short term is fast becoming permanent.

Then where will you be?

......and even expanded.

[TheBoy]

Actions have consequences.

As do inactions.

[Rangie]

A very long thread that is going absolutely nowhere, you will always have believers & non believers in almost every threat to mankind be it war plague etc etc, unfortunately it appears that more & more of the human race is lacking commonsense either you protect yourselves & others or you simply don't give a f**k which seems to be the attitude of some.

[Doctor Gollum]

Five pages? That's nothing...

https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=36312.1500