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Scrappage here at last
« on: 22 April 2009, 17:05:58 »

So the Brits have jumped on the Euro scrappage scheme. How is it going to do any good for the British economy? An old car gets taken off the road and a new one has to be made (causing pollution and using energy). Only 15% of cars bought in Britain are actually made in Britain so the chances are the buyer is helping jobs in another country.

What about the loss of jobs in Britain for the scrapped cars? My Omega alone must support at least 10 families in the parts used! I just hope the cars are broken for parts and not crushed.

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Re: Scrappage here at last
« Reply #1 on: 22 April 2009, 17:09:47 »

It's nothing more than a veiled bail-out for the motor industry. This is a time when people really need to be making their old cars last rather than being coerced into (no doubt) going further into debt to buy a new car.

Given that the government is partly funding this initiative, they could surely have specified that the cars had to be built in the UK. That'd have put the cat amongst them!  ;D

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Re: Scrappage here at last
« Reply #2 on: 22 April 2009, 18:57:36 »

Trouble is, currently,  you can negotiate more than £2000 off list price ( which is what the scrappage discount will be set against) AND keep the car to resell yourself   :-?>:(
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Re: Scrappage here at last
« Reply #3 on: 22 April 2009, 19:18:58 »

From what I can gather, the dealers will have to stump up half of it.
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« Reply #4 on: 22 April 2009, 19:26:55 »

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From what I can gather, the dealers will have to stump up half of it.


That's right...and pay for the disposal of the old car.

The only people who will benefit are those who can afford a new car anyway. Two grand off is useless if you can't raise the other ten grand.

A mad, mad, world.  >:(
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Re: Scrappage here at last
« Reply #5 on: 22 April 2009, 20:11:32 »

well, there are obviously still a lot of people who can afford new cars (I guess those lucky few who have little or no mortgage left and whose jobs are secure for whom the current financial situation makes their money go even further!) as my steplad has just moved from a VX/Saab dealership to a newish Fiat/Seat/AlfaRomeo one on a salary that makes mine look a pittance-and he's only 21!! He's obviously a good salesman or he wouldnt have been headhunted but his experience shows that plenty of new cars are still being bought regardless of payment method. Oh to be in that situation... ::)
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« Reply #6 on: 22 April 2009, 20:27:36 »

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From what I can gather, the dealers will have to stump up half of it.


That's right...and pay for the disposal of the old car.

The only people who will benefit are those who can afford a new car anyway. Two grand off is useless if you can't raise the other ten grand.

A mad, mad, world.  >:(

But.......would someone who could afford a new car be driving around in a ten year old motor that has to have been registered to them for at least six months? :-?
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« Reply #7 on: 22 April 2009, 20:39:36 »

They're argument is also that it helps the enviroment, because we'll be driving more newer cars with less emissions. CRAP. To make all the components for a new car from scratch actually produces more Co2 than the car will produce in it's entire lifetime. Just another farce from this lieing cheating bunch of censored word.
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Re: Scrappage here at last
« Reply #8 on: 22 April 2009, 20:42:52 »

Dealers will be less likely to negotiate any discount if somehow they are funding half the £2k. Its a case of pros & cons. I for 1 will not be able to afford the payments for a new car no matter what help the government gives. I recall in 1996 I bought a 9 month old Cavalier had about £9800 ish on finance. Was paying about £280 isha month finance through GMAC. I did not opt for a PCP but went for a straight loan to clear the balance. Certainly will not be spending those sorts of money again unless circumstances change.
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Re: Scrappage here at last
« Reply #9 on: 22 April 2009, 21:28:56 »

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From what I can gather, the dealers will have to stump up half of it.


That's right...and pay for the disposal of the old car.

The only people who will benefit are those who can afford a new car anyway. Two grand off is useless if you can't raise the other ten grand.

A mad, mad, world.  >:(

But.......would someone who could afford a new car be driving around in a ten year old motor that has to have been registered to them for at least six months? :-?

That may answer a question I had. I I had the money to buy a new car, I would go out and buy a chap banger, use that for my two grand and sell on the car I had. ::)

I heard on the radio the radio that the contra argument to it's greener to keep an old car on the road than build was that the new cars are already built filling fields around the country.
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« Reply #10 on: 22 April 2009, 21:48:56 »

It's an ill thought vote bidder. Given the current economic climate, say you can use scrappage to buy a £12000 car for £10000 how many folk have got £10k floating about? Those that have don't want a bland £12000 car, niether do i.
    I agree with the alredy made point that keeping our old cars going as we do is saving on manufacturing.

   THE BEASTIE is not ready to be scrapagged by a long chalk!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: 22 April 2009, 21:55:12 »

1) My car is 2 years too new
2) I don't have the other 33,000
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« Reply #12 on: 22 April 2009, 22:08:15 »

What people say and what they actually do are often two
different things, but this survey seems to indicate that
many are actually considering participating in the scheme.

Personally, if I was after a newer car, I would prefer to buy one
that was two years old which would probably be 20% to 40% cheaper
than new. A considerable saving over the £2k offered by Darling,
especially after the dealer has bumped the price back up and
raised the price again to account for the weakening of Sterling.

Also, any new car teething troubles would have been fixed under
warranty with some warranty remaining for me.

Like many on here I could afford to buy new cars but have never
really seen the attraction.

Maybe I'm just tight.  ;D

http://www.whatcar.com/news-article.aspx?NA=239695

Two thirds of motorists questioned in a recent survey, believe that the Government's scrappage scheme will lead to increased sales of new cars in the UK.

The poll, carried out by JD Power, also revealed that 40% of respondents said they would be 'likely' or 'very likely' to purchase a new vehicle within the next six months as a direct result of the £2000 incentive.

Nearly 60% of motorists questioned, who own cars that qualify for the cash, indicated that they would actively consider buying a new car in light of the new incentive.
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