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[crazyjoetavola]

Its interesting because Gm Europe have been turninga  rpofite, so have Holden and a few more of teh 'focused' sub groups.

The US lot have been bloody idiots, sticking to what they ahev done for 100 years without looking at the changing market. They are only now considering introducing a small car (i.e. the Corsa which they already have designed !) and more diesel engines and smaller petrol engines.

To me, its not rocket science!

Thankfuly, the german government are securing the funding to keep GM europe going (they are not covered by chapter 11 protection as they are outside the US) until the takeover can be completed.

I was impressed by Lord Peter's attendance at the talks in Berlin to ensure that the voice of British concerns about the future of Vauxhall rang loudly enough

Who?

You might very well ask, Martin

[crazyjoetavola]

Well considering they only have Ellsmere Port in the Uk knocking out Astras (Luton only has the offices, parts and a small special vehicles centre), there is not much to go!

Agreed Mark  - but enough to cause real difficulty to those depending on the jobs for their livelihood

[crazyjoetavola]

Well considering they only have Ellsmere Port in the Uk knocking out Astras (Luton only has the offices, parts and a small special vehicles centre), there is not much to go!

I hope that's not the thought uppermost in their minds, and that governing the efforts to secure a relatively sound future up there Mark :-/ :-/.... in the negative sense of course

I would imagine it'll be a lot easier for them to ditch UK employees than German employees, especially as the German government are at least seen to be doing a darn sight more than Mandelson.

Kevin

Its easy to hire and fire in the Uk and a nightmare in Germany!

The Uk governemnt do little (if anything) to encourage and support manufacturing (its got worse in the last 10 years surprise surprise) so I would expect the Uk to get hit!

There you have it Mark   that's why we, as a country, have had our asses handed to us in terms of the disintegration of our manufacturing base

[Marks DTM Calib]

Well considering they only have Ellsmere Port in the Uk knocking out Astras (Luton only has the offices, parts and a small special vehicles centre), there is not much to go!

Agreed Mark  - but enough to cause real difficulty to those depending on the jobs for their livelihood

Yes but, not enough to have a great impact on the Uk voting as a whole!

[crazyjoetavola]

Its easy to hire and fire in the Uk and a nightmare in Germany!

The Uk governemnt do little (if anything) to encourage and support manufacturing (its got worse in the last 10 years surprise surprise) so I would expect the Uk to get hit!

Agreed on both counts.

It's a good job we don't need manufacturing any more, having such a strong financial sector, etc... 

Kevin

  I've just emptied my bladder again 
you nailed that one Kevin  [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

[Martin_1962]

I had forgotten that the term Lord had been contaminated by it being used for reptiles

[crazyjoetavola]

Well considering they only have Ellsmere Port in the Uk knocking out Astras (Luton only has the offices, parts and a small special vehicles centre), there is not much to go!

Agreed Mark  - but enough to cause real difficulty to those depending on the jobs for their livelihood

Yes but, not enough to have a great impact on the Uk voting as a whole!

You're on to it now Mark - welcome to the dark world of political cynicism and the to complete and utter baring of our buttocks once again to the avaricious eyes of the EU

[STMO123]

Possibly makes sense to close the head office at luton, concentrating on Ellesmere port, though I think they may struggle, as the track at Luton is a JV with another company

Renault if I remember correctly and I believe that association ends in 2010.

[crazyjoetavola]

Possibly makes sense to close the head office at luton, concentrating on Ellesmere port, though I think they may struggle, as the track at Luton is a JV with another company

Renault if I remember correctly and I believe that association ends in 2010.

The imperative factor which makes a strong case to be put by HMG for Ellesmere Port, a matter of the utmost urgency STMO 

[Banjax]

a nice reminder of some of the best (and worst) of GM - when they wanted to - they could make some beautiful machines 
....made their fair share of buckets too, mind 

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/01/automobiles/01GM_USER_SLIDESHOW_index.html

[crazyjoetavola]

a nice reminder of some of the best (and worst) of GM - when they wanted to - they could make some beautiful machines 
....made their fair share of buckets too, mind 

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/01/automobiles/01GM_USER_SLIDESHOW_index.html

You're right enought bannjaxx, there were some nails made but there also some gems

Just right for the time and always for me, the epitomy of the open road, big country and freedom 8-) 8-)

[Andy B]

a nice reminder of some of the best (and worst) of GM - when they wanted to - they could make some beautiful machines 
....made their fair share of buckets too, mind 

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/01/automobiles/01GM_USER_SLIDESHOW_index.html

If I had somewhere to keep it .... and enough money to keep the tank filled at 8 mpg  :-?

in another colour though 

[crazyjoetavola]

And if it had the North Star V8 engine Andy 8-) 8-)