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[Nickbat]

Attorney General Baroness Scotland:

"I fully accept the findings of the UK Borders Agency that I made a technical breach of the rules. I apologise for having made this inadvertent error.

"Having examined the documents I accept entirely I should've taken copies of them. I sincerely apologise for my error."

Result: Fined £5,000

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8268101.stm

A farm owner from Devon is facing a fine of up to £120,000 for employing illegal workers.

Farm owner Peter Coleman told BBC News: "We do our best to comply with regulations.

"We have a very good database of all employees and we have a list of passports and proof of identity.

"But the biggest problem for employers is to prove the identity of the person. We are not experts in forgery."

Result: Fined £10,000 ...for each worker

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/8142103.stm

 

[albitz]

Liebore politicians are above the law Nick,someone with your interest in politics should know that.

[Gaffers]

One is a hardworking person who contributes a lot to keeping the country going, the other is a politician

[Dishevelled Den]

One is a hardworking person who contributes a lot to keeping the country going, the other is a politician

I was going to get stuck into this but I'm afraid that G's one-liner says it all

[amigov6]

£5 grand is probably the equivalent of £50 to most of us in real terms.
   Bet the farmers fine hits him ALOT harder.

[albitz]

I have no sympathy whatsoever with the farmer,in fact I would be happy to see him put out of business for employing illegals.As for the politician,she actuallly helped draft these rules and as I understand it they were constructed in a way that would not allow ignorance as being an excuse.So for her to get off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist is utterly contemptible.
Personally I would loved to have seen her made an example of and given a prison sentence.

[Nickbat]

I have no sympathy whatsoever with the farmer,in fact I would be happy to see him put out of business for employing illegals.As for the politician,she actuallly helped draft these rules and as I understand it they were constructed in a way that would not allow ignorance as being an excuse.So for her to get off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist is utterly contemptible.
Personally I would loved to have seen her made an example of and given a prison sentence.

You must remember that many of these "illegals" have perfectly forged documents. At the end of the day, a court should look into whether every effort was made to copy the documents (which Scotland failed to do) as per the law. But, if the documents are forgeries how is a person supposed to know? I'm not saying it is the case, but if the farmer complied with the guidelines, he cannot be held responsible for not detecting forged papers - that's for specialists, surely?

On your second point, I agree, Albs. How can she possibly continue as Attorney General after this?

[Dishevelled Den]

I have no sympathy whatsoever with the farmer,in fact I would be happy to see him put out of business for employing illegals.As for the politician,she actuallly helped draft these rules and as I understand it they were constructed in a way that would not allow ignorance as being an excuse.So for her to get off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist is utterly contemptible.
Personally I would loved to have seen her made an example of and given a prison sentence.

...this is symptomatic of the state wanting to have it all ways.

It's unreasonable in the extreme to expect anyone to be able to have the resourses to establish the bona fides of another with any degree of certainty.

Is it the intention of this administration to make it as difficult as possible for some to employ others.

Yet another example of sound legislation being being applied in a half-assed way by bureaucrats more interested in the headline event rather than the practical day to day working of legislation applied in a sensible and constructive way.



I know I said I wasn't going to get stuck into this but Albs set me off

[ScottieMV6]

I wonder if she will claim the fine back on expenses???

[albitz]

This time last year Scottie,almost certainly.

[SJKOO01]

I have no sympathy whatsoever with the farmer,in fact I would be happy to see him put out of business for employing illegals.As for the politician,she actuallly helped draft these rules and as I understand it they were constructed in a way that would not allow ignorance as being an excuse.So for her to get off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist is utterly contemptible.
Personally I would loved to have seen her made an example of and given a prison sentence.

This news doesnt surprise me at all - what else is new with an MP that gets off lighter than the ordinary working person who does the same.

And for the highlighted bit I've done - well we've had a couple of MP's that have been put in jail to do time, and has it made any difference ??.  Well their still an MP today, where as most ordinary people wouldn't be able to get work.

It's not what you know in this world of ours, but "who you know".

The government say  my arse to ordinary folk those days 

[Martin_1962]

I hope the bitch gets sacked

It is 100% her fault no one elses, she pushed the law through - she should have had £10000 and a jail sentence, if I was sentencing it would have been maximum possible as it was entirely her fault.

[SJKOO01]

I hope the bitch gets sacked

It is 100% her fault no one elses, she pushed the law through - she should have had £10000 and a jail sentence, if I was sentencing it would have been maximum possible as it was entirely her fault.

Like I said "It's not what you know, but who you know", but why only 50% of what was deamed as the price per illegal worker than anyone else would need to pay ??.

[Dodger]

One is a hardworking person who contributes a lot to keeping the country going, the other is a politician[/highlight]who contributes nothing, and keeps us bankrupt[/highlight]!