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[Marks DTM Calib]

I think it started off as a cost cutting measure.

Now it's the norm. Look at the vx range now, most are pretty much the same running gear and engine, just in a different shell. It's lazy and cheap that why it's done.
I can understand people being affraid of RWD, as it's not as forgiving if you f'up a corner. But this is not the car, it's the driver training at fault. How many times are you following a car and the person is breaking whilst in a corner? This is a relatively safe thing to do in WWD car, however a RWD car could potentially bite back if you do this. If people drove like you should, slow down prior to the corner and then power out, this wouldn't be an issue. Now imagine trying to explain to half the drivers out there that you need to keep a positive throttle in corners whilst driving RWD cars. Most won't even know if thier car is RWD or not, let alone what positive throttle is.

IMHO it's a shame that VX and other manufacturers don't offer more RWD cars. I want to start learning to drift when I can afford it, it'll be an Omega for me.

No, its economical and sensible....its a dog eat dog world where re-use gives greater volumes and lower costs.

Its actually probably significantly harder to design a one fits all package.

[albitz]

FWD also tends to have more foolproof handling imo.If the car runs wide,ease off the throttle and wind on more lock(the first reaction of most people) and it will tighten its line.Although if this is done too abrubtly with a hardish suspension set up (205 gti for example) it may well swap ends rather quickly.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

FWD also tends to have more foolproof handling imo.If the car runs wide,ease off the throttle and wind on more lock(the first reaction of most people) and it will tighten its line.Although if this is done too abrubtly with a hardish suspension set up (205 gti for example) it may well swap ends rather quickly.

Agreed ..........Albitz............many moons ago ....I had a Pug 205GTI....1.9.....which did just as you say...
I believe that the technical term is "lift off oversteer".

[I_want_an_Omega]

So, in that case, why is there so much animosity by people against BMW, however, the people who have them seem to like them

They, with many Merc models, are the only real volume manufacturer of RWD vehicles

[deviator]

So, in that case, why is there so much animosity by people against BMW, however, the people who have them seem to like them

They, with many Merc models, are the only real volume manufacturer of RWD vehicles

I like BMW cars, I think they are great. It's the people that buy and drive them that put me off them. Also there is a certain sheep feel to owning a 3 series BMW.

[vxlnut]

So, in that case, why is there so much animosity by people against BMW, however, the people who have them seem to like them

They, with many Merc models, are the only real volume manufacturer of RWD vehicles

I think most BMW owners couldn't care less, or even tell you what wheel drive they are.  It is more a case of having the badge and keeping up with the Jones's.

[Marks DTM Calib]

And Mercs at the moment are just un-reliable heaps of rubbish

[VXL V6]

And Mercs at the moment are just un-reliable heaps of rubbish

That have big rust problems after a few years....

....Still they've done there 3 year company lease by then...

[Chris_H]

FWD also tends to have more foolproof handling imo.If the car runs wide,ease off the throttle and wind on more lock(the first reaction of most people) and it will tighten its line.Although if this is done too abrubtly with a hardish suspension set up (205 gti for example) it may well swap ends rather quickly.

That doesn't quite agree with the 'floor it to pull it back into line' that I work to!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

sometime ago I drive a volvo S70 t5 ..

definitely faster and cheaper than my miggy but my opinion : I wont give a penny..

for low power and consumption cars I can understand the principle ..but for the latter either RWD or AWD..

Agreed.....Cem......FWD cars are fine for girlies to go shopping in ........but all really powerful cars are RWD.
A friend of mine owned a Alfa 147.....with a 3.2 litre V6..............driving the FRONT wheels.....with 250 BHP...traction control system seemed to be working overtime.

[cem_devecioglu]

sometime ago I drive a volvo S70 t5 ..

definitely faster and cheaper than my miggy but my opinion : I wont give a penny..

for low power and consumption cars I can understand the principle ..but for the latter either RWD or AWD..

Agreed.....Cem......FWD cars are fine for girlies to go shopping in ........but all really powerful cars are RWD.
A friend of mine owned a Alfa 147.....with a 3.2 litre V6..............driving the FRONT wheels.....with 250 BHP...traction control system seemed to be working overtime.

Clarkson showed something on a clit 3.0 V6..

When he let the steering free and pushes the accelerator a little the steering turns 180 degrees just at the start up

[Gaffers]

sometime ago I drive a volvo S70 t5 ..

definitely faster and cheaper than my miggy but my opinion : I wont give a penny..

for low power and consumption cars I can understand the principle ..but for the latter either RWD or AWD..

Agreed.....Cem......FWD cars are fine for girlies to go shopping in ........but all really powerful cars are RWD.
A friend of mine owned a Alfa 147.....with a 3.2 litre V6..............driving the FRONT wheels.....with 250 BHP...traction control system seemed to be working overtime.

Clarkson showed something on a clit 3.0 V6..

When he let the steering free and pushes the accelerator a little the steering turns 180 degrees just at the start up

Do you remember that Vectra on Steroids that features on TG?  Fantastic in a straight line because under power thats all it would do 

[cem_devecioglu]

for the traffic light grand prix on a short distance fwd cars are ok..but on the first curve they are everywhere.. :-/

[cem_devecioglu]

from the fwd this one is definitely ok..
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but apparently not this one :-/
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy4kPODqv58[/media]