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[cem_devecioglu]

if you calculate those probabilities including time factor.. you need to be really unlucky to see them fail together.. :-/

Or your chosen manufacturer has a bad production run (they have all suffered, and it hasn't become public knowledge until it's too late).

choosing manufacturer is also another area of experience.. 8-)

[KillerWatt]

choosing manufacturer is also another area of experience.. 8-)

All the big boys (Maxtor, IBM, Hitachi, Toshiba, Fujitsu, etc) have all produced flawed drives at some point, so how does experience help in deciding what's good at the time?

[TheBoy]

some numbers:

"The likelihood that the hard drive fails within one year is 0.34%, that it fails within two years is 0.68%, that it fails within three years is 1.02%. Indeed, since 0.9966 is so close to 1 it has a very small effect so the student’s initial thought of N·(0.34%) turns out to be a pretty good estimate for quite a few years [at 10 years out the theoretical probability would be 3.35% compared to 3.4%, and 20 years out the theoretical probability is 6.59% compared to 6.8%.]"

from
http://threesixty360.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/hard-drive-failure/

if you calculate those probabilities including time factor.. you need to be really unlucky to see them fail together.. :-/

Not entirely correct - either ambient or local temp can increase and cause drastically higher failure rates. A lot of poorly designed cases will increase hdd failure due to local hotspots. 

Back when I used to do internet hosting support, I remember one night we had 2 environment units fail, and one part of the computer hall warmed up a few degrees.  Came in the next day to around 50 disk failures (normal rate was around 5-10 a week).

[cem_devecioglu]

choosing manufacturer is also another area of experience.. 8-)

All the big boys (Maxtor, IBM, Hitachi, Toshiba, Fujitsu, etc) have all produced flawed drives at some point, so how does experience help in deciding what's good at the time?

dont buy anything when its new on the market..and ask father google

[TheBoy]

if you calculate those probabilities including time factor.. you need to be really unlucky to see them fail together.. :-/

Or your chosen manufacturer has a bad production run (they have all suffered, and it hasn't become public knowledge until it's too late).

choosing manufacturer is also another area of experience.. 8-)

Yup, knowing who and know isn't having problems.  Pretty much all manufacturers have got reliability back to where it should be now.  Trouble with buying a new drive technology/density is the unknown, hence why Enterprise level drives tend to be previous generation technology

[Mr Skrunts]

choosing manufacturer is also another area of experience.. 8-)

All the big boys (Maxtor, IBM, Hitachi, Toshiba, Fujitsu, etc) have all produced flawed drives at some point, so how does experience help in deciding what's good at the time?

My recent purchases have shown Maxtor to be diabolical.

Never had issues with IBM/Hitachi drives.

Likeing Samsung at the Mo, and adding a WD on this current build (1TB/32MB Cache with a 1.5 TB Samsung backup drive).

[Martin_1962]

Maxtor are shite - two went in my work PC, ended up scrapping the PC and building one out of old components with a Seagate drive, old home PC had 3 drives, Seagate OK, Maxtor died

These Samsung Spinpoints though are quiet and low power consumption

[TheBoy]

Maxtor are shite - two went in my work PC, ended up scrapping the PC and building one out of old components with a Seagate drive, old home PC had 3 drives, Seagate OK, Maxtor died

These Samsung Spinpoints though are quiet and low power consumption

Maxtor went through a bad patch around 4 or 5 yrs ago

[cem_devecioglu]

1. Maxtor are shite - two went in my work PC, ended up scrapping the PC and building one out of old components with a Seagate drive, old home PC had 3 drives, Seagate OK, Maxtor died

These 2.Samsung Spinpoints though are quiet and low power consumption

1. definitely..
2. and fast also..

[tunnie]

1. Maxtor are shite - two went in my work PC, ended up scrapping the PC and building one out of old components with a Seagate drive, old home PC had 3 drives, Seagate OK, Maxtor died

These 2.Samsung Spinpoints though are quiet and low power consumption

1. definitely..
2. and fast also..

Cheap too, £57 for the 1TB on eBuyer

[cem_devecioglu]

need to spin up under shower , then bed .. good night all

[TheBoy]

1. Maxtor are shite - two went in my work PC, ended up scrapping the PC and building one out of old components with a Seagate drive, old home PC had 3 drives, Seagate OK, Maxtor died

These 2.Samsung Spinpoints though are quiet and low power consumption

1. definitely..
2. and fast also..

Cheap too, £57 for the 1TB on eBuyer

Possible to get for under £50 as they are frequently on offer.  Getting quite an old drive now though

[Mr Skrunts]

1. Maxtor are shite - two went in my work PC, ended up scrapping the PC and building one out of old components with a Seagate drive, old home PC had 3 drives, Seagate OK, Maxtor died

These 2.Samsung Spinpoints though are quiet and low power consumption

1. definitely..
2. and fast also..

Cheap too, £57 for the 1TB on eBuyer

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/166989

Just ordered 1