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[Banjax]

Government is reinforcing this idea that threat from cyberspace is greater than modern warfare to our security........this wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that fewer aircraft are needed to fight this "threat" which means.....oh - wait they've reduced the eurofighter order - thats OK then - its the cybermen we should worry about.

Probably a coincidence tho.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11562969






this is the line they've taken and by hook or by crook they'll stick to it. sure its a threat, but its rather like the millenium bug scare stories - potentially disastrous but won't amount to a hill of beans 

[Gaffers]

It's been a big threat for a long time now.

It can now form part of an invasion strategy, remember South Osetia/Georgia?  The Russians managed to dislocate the government from the people and make them beleive that they had been destroyed.  Imagine how much people beleive what they hear on TV/read on the internet.....

I am thinking of changing job/department

[VXL V6]

Cynic mode=ON

Well.... The previous government had told the law enforcement agencies not to report e-crime statistics (possibly so they could state improved stats the next year).

Also note that generally you only ever serve 50% of your sentance if you were to be caught handling illegally obtained funds etc

Seems to me that e-crime/fraud is the way forward... certainly a better return than going to work 5 - 7 days a week, what's the worst that can happen? maybe a couple of years locked away with a snooker table and colour TV?

Cynic mode=OFF

[VXL V6]

potentially disastrous but won't amount to a hill of beans 

I wouldn't be so sure, if you take out strategic systems... i'm not talking military here, think about food supply, water management etc, all heavily rely on the ICT infrastructure to control them

[MaxV6]

essentially the largely global move to JIT logistics, means if you take down the IT infrastructure required to support it EVERYTHING grinds to a shuddering halt...


then there's the control of utilities, transport management, communications and finance..... 


some of these super hacker disaster movie things are not as far fetched as the general public assume....   and given the onward march of progress , becoming increasingly less so....


it is not irrational to fear falling off a cliff, if you're coincidentally dangling off the edge of a 500 foot precipice at the time.

[Gaffers]

potentially disastrous but won't amount to a hill of beans 

I wouldn't be so sure, if you take out strategic systems... i'm not talking military here, think about food supply, water management etc, all heavily rely on the ICT infrastructure to control them

Dont forget that malware which seemed to be targetting Iran's nuclear facilities.  It was the first virus which caused real-world damage, a huge step forward in the cyber criminal capabilities.  Plus now it's out there it wont be long until it is reverse-engineered and modified by others 

[Banjax]

i would say, as was demonstrated a few years ago here and in France at the moment, that a small number of blockades placed outside oil refineries causes more chaos than any cyber-crime.....yet thats ranked as a "tier 3" threat.

I'm not saying it doesnt exist - i just dont think its our biggest threat 

[Teebee]

The like of Stuxnet is no different to a foreign spy in my opinion, all governments deny them until caught e.g. see the recent US/RU exchange.

One of my friends works at a research centre with govt links, recently they shut all internet access down for 3 days after finding a Chinese hacker accessing their files.

Raising security awareness across the board for govt & business has to be a good thing.

[Dishevelled Den]

i would say, as was demonstrated a few years ago here and in France at the moment, that a small number of blockades placed outside oil refineries causes more chaos than any cyber-crime.....yet thats ranked as a "tier 3" threat.

I'm not saying it doesnt exist - i just dont think its our biggest threat 

I would love to but can't.

You would need to think again BJ - and place it somewhere in the top 5.

[bluey]

From a critical infrastructure perspective the UK is in a much better state than the like of the US.  Thanks to our ability to be rather anal, the loss of IT systems in much of our basic services would not be catastrophic as the manual systems remain in place and are regularly tested.  The French and Germans in this respect are pretty good too.  As for America, if you're concerned about the vulnerability of IT systems then I wouldn't recommend living in that country.

[Mysteryman]

Having thought about this for a while, I think it would be a rather civilised way to be invaded. Instead of hacking us to death with big machetes, they would just hack our computers to death with a virus.
It wouldn't hurt very much at all.

[ballcock50]

It would be a national disaster if OOF was taken out by cyber attack how else would I get to hear all the decent news?

[Nickbat]

Government is reinforcing this idea that threat from cyberspace is greater than modern warfare to our security........this wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that fewer aircraft are needed to fight this "threat" which means.....oh - wait they've reduced the eurofighter order - thats OK then - its the cybermen we should worry about.

Probably a coincidence tho.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11562969






this is the line they've taken and by hook or by crook they'll stick to it. sure its a threat, but its rather like the millenium bug scare stories - potentially disastrous but won't amount to a hill of beans 

Fewer aircraft? What about our new aircraft carriers?

Oh wait a minute, maybe you have a point, BJ. They are a new breed of "no-aircraft aircraft" carriers.

"BRITAIN'S new £5billion aircraft carriers could have no fighter jets for up to two years because of military budget cuts, it's been admitted."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2010/10/18/revealed-royal-navy-s-5bn-aircraft-carriers-could-be-without-fighter-jets-for-two-years-because-of-cuts-86908-22642704/

 

[Gaffers]

Government is reinforcing this idea that threat from cyberspace is greater than modern warfare to our security........this wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that fewer aircraft are needed to fight this "threat" which means.....oh - wait they've reduced the eurofighter order - thats OK then - its the cybermen we should worry about.

Probably a coincidence tho.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11562969






this is the line they've taken and by hook or by crook they'll stick to it. sure its a threat, but its rather like the millenium bug scare stories - potentially disastrous but won't amount to a hill of beans 

Fewer aircraft? What about our new aircraft carriers?

Oh wait a minute, maybe you have a point, BJ. They are a new breed of "no-aircraft aircraft" carriers.

"BRITAIN'S new £5billion aircraft carriers could have no fighter jets for up to two years because of military budget cuts, it's been admitted."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2010/10/18/revealed-royal-navy-s-5bn-aircraft-carriers-could-be-without-fighter-jets-for-two-years-because-of-cuts-86908-22642704/

 

They wont allow any gap in capability, thats just Navy scaremongering 

[Xplicit 2.0]

even the USA have recently formed the United States Cyber Command - basicly wars of the future will a bunch of teens putting their online FPS gaming skills to use by killing enemy pixels >_<