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Craig_R

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My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« on: 29 July 2007, 22:03:23 »

Went over on sat to see gary (ffcgary1) in mitcham on sat to get a rear blind off him

While I was there me and Gary Tried invain to track my steering knock down again but could not find anything loose at all, we had my car on ramps with weight on the wheels and we both could feel the knock in the steering wheel and on all the steering components underneth.

I have always had a slight wheel wobble in the steering wheel at speed even before the knock appered. James thinks the knock is from the steering Box but he said it should not cause vibration or wobble.

I have replaced so it cant be any of the below

Wishbones
Full Trackrods
Top Suspenstion Mounts and Bearnings
Brake Discs & pads
Front rear tires plus balance
Full Geo Setup camber toe and so forth

The one thing that has not been replaced is the center tie bar (track bar) but we both checked it and it did not seem to have anyplay at all.
The Idler Arm has no Movment and is solid

Went to Vauxhall and they said I would never get rid of the knock which i cant believe

the Steering Wheel had abit of play back and forth and up and down much more than gary's Omega had but also at Vauxhall i was told this is normal  :-? :-?

I have three things left to change

Centre Tie Bar
Steering Column
Steering Box
Oh and to swap the fronts with the rears to see if that helps any to find out if a wheel is buckled, which i dont think they are as the guy who balanced them all span the front wheels on there own with no tires on to see if they were ok and they were

Anyone have any ideas I dont want to change the Steering Box As a new one is around the 1700 pounds mark and it looks like a pig of a job to remove.

I have spent enough trying to sort this out and cant afford to be just replacing bit at random guessing if its right to replace.

I can live with the knock but its the vibration and wobble i cant its not always there just about 7 times out of 10
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #1 on: 29 July 2007, 22:35:41 »

You could do a lot worse than popping up to see Tony (Wheels InMotion). He's not that far from you at WIM@Kipling Motorists Centre, Redbourn Road, Hemel (0870 1651132). He's THE sage on suspension matters and the crew at Kipling are really helpful.
  
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #2 on: 29 July 2007, 22:41:11 »

Had my full Geo Setup done by Tony two weeks ago
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #3 on: 29 July 2007, 22:46:35 »

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Had my full Geo Setup done by Tony two weeks ago

Didn't he offer any suggestions about the knocking?

BTW, I'm probably being a bit thick here, but could it be damper-related?
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #4 on: 29 July 2007, 22:52:12 »

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Had my full Geo Setup done by Tony two weeks ago

Didn't he offer any suggestions about the knocking?

BTW, I'm probably being a bit thick here, but could it be damper-related?


Just read your post again, and if you had it up on ramps and still got the knock then I doubt it's damper-related. Told you I was thick!  ;D ;D
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #5 on: 29 July 2007, 22:54:13 »

I recall seeing something about adjusting the steering box on here. Maybe a search would reveal it. I think there's a grub screw and lock nut on top used to take up play inside the box. Might be worth a try if you've exhausted everything else.

I think the suggestion was to loosen off the lock nut whilst keeping the grub screw in place with a torx bit and then tighten the grub screw very slightly before locking it up again and feeling for any improvement. I would imagine bad things would happen to the internals of the box if you over did it.

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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #6 on: 30 July 2007, 08:53:33 »

Have you checked the anti-roll bar bushes? and droplinks
Cheers Pete
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #7 on: 30 July 2007, 09:06:44 »

Had a similar knock on my elite...after lots of searching replaced the adjustable steering coloumn and has cured it..worth a try as i picked mine up on fleabay for £40 and whilst it was a bit of a pain  especially getting the air bag light of after all is now as it should be..think the bearing or coupler at end goes rusty or causes the shaft to get squared edges..anyway hope that line of thought might help you
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #8 on: 30 July 2007, 09:27:38 »

Me and Gary decided it would not be the drop links as they normally only knock when your driving over speed humps and pot holes and this knock is when the car is not moving.

I was thinking last night that i could have a problem with the joint on the adjustable steering column as i have alot more play in the up and down, side to side than gary had in his steering wheel. And if my adjustable column joint has play i would get more wobble and vibration through it as it would have movment in the joint.

Does anyone know will a non adjustable steering column fit a facelift that has a adjustable column ? I know gary has a spare on his Elite he is breaking

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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #9 on: 30 July 2007, 09:29:27 »

amba06128 you must of been reading my mind and typing at the same time :)

I think my next step is replacing the steering column
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Re: My on going knock Grrr Any ideas ?
« Reply #10 on: 30 July 2007, 13:48:39 »

Worth checking the column bolts are secure first before thinking of replacing the column.
Cheers Pete
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