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Auto Gearbox fault ???
« on: 27 September 2010, 16:09:50 »

Can someone please offer advice ....... I have a 1999 "fully spec'd" 2.2 cdxi auto estate with a Y22XE engine attached to, according to the vauxhall main dealer, a 4 speed sealed auto transmission unit that requires "no maintenance" and if it develops a fault is a specialist remove and repair/replace item. There are no oil leaks so I have no reason to suspect gearbox/transmission fluid loss.

Within the last few months I have had several annoying minor issues with my beloved car. Firstly, I replaced the entire exhaust system, including a cracked manifold and 4 tyres for the MOT. Secondly I replaced, the mass air flow meter, after the car just stopped! Then after this the gearbox developed a problem ..... from cold it seemed to take a long time to change from 1st to second then when the engine got to 3500 rpm the orange engine management light came on and the dash screen said "automatic gearbox, check" - after registering this fault code the gearbox went into "limp home" mode. Then after a few miles the throttle also stopped responding. I limped to my local mechanic who advised me that there was a full page of fault codes suggesting the throttle potentiometer was at fault, so he fitted a new one and it seemed to work.... for about 3 weeks .......... now I have the same symptoms all over again

He has checked the fault code data and told me that the gearbox needs replacing as the fault now appears to be mechanical not electronic and suggested I contact a local auto transmission specialist.


So armed with my new knowledge and on a nice sunny day I went to this recommended auto transmission specialist (?) he connected his fault reader to the car and told me there were so many faults recorded that he doubts it is the box as it is almost unheard of for all the part failures/faults to be recorded at the same time. So he cleared all fault codes and asked me to drive up the road until the fault showed and then come back asap so he could see the new fault code ....... Guess what .... the car drove perfectly, smooth as ever, fast acceleration, sport mode, cruise control, I tried everything that previously had resulted in "limp home" mode...... nothing.  And this continued for the next three, dry, sunny, warm days (note weather!)  then two days ago it was raining and 5 minutes down the road, the car jolted slightly (almost like an engine misfire) and up popped the engine management light & message "automatic gearbox check" and went into "limp home mode", but this time with no lack of throttle problems.

Having read several forums over the last month it would appear I am not the only person to have similar problems, so this time I thought I would try something different based on what I had read .... so switched off, removed key. Switched back on, still in limp home mode so drove it using manual changes....... worked perfectly apart from very slight jolt between 1st & 2nd but it got me to the nearest petrol station, switched off, removed key and went for a much needed coffee to calm down. Returned to car, started up ..... no lights or message so thought I'd try my luck, into D, worked perfectly for the hour long drive home in various types of traffic and dual carraigeway driving? Then yesterday morning (still wet after overnight rain) switched on ignition, the engine management light stayed on and before I had even moved the "auto gearbox check" message popped up on the screen.

So I drove in "manual mode" to this "specialist" and his fault reader said "torque control error". His comment of " I'm not sure what would cause that, but if you leave it with us we will have a look" did not instill a huge amount of confidence so needless to say my car is still on my driveway.

Something else that has just occurred to me is that on all these occasions when the fault message has come up I have had a fully laden boot area, with either suitcases when on an airport run, fishing gear or most recently bagged up building sand,,,,, am i just hoping or is there a sensor that activates any form torque control when the car is fully laden that could be malfunctioning ???

Also when you switch the ignition on but without the engine running there is a faint clicking noise (similar to a solenoid actuator not engaging properly) coming from under the gear selector facia on the centre console ???? is there anything electronic under there that could be causing my problems ???

I am now seriously doubting any mechanical fault as the gearbox seems to be working perfectly when everything else is in it's favour!

Please accept my apologies for the length of this post but I thought I would give as much info and symptoms as possible. Can anyone please offer any suggestions as to where or what part I might focus my attention on as I am now in the "how much more money do I throw at this car syndrome".

Many thanks :y
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #1 on: 27 September 2010, 16:14:56 »

Put in your location and maybe one of our members is near you .
Better getting someone that knows what they are talking about to check it for you 
Some of the guys on here have the GM Tech 2 and more importantly they know how to use it properly .
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« Last Edit: 27 September 2010, 16:16:33 by Mark38 »
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #2 on: 27 September 2010, 17:20:33 »

Check fluid level  - the sealed for life mantra is a myth.

Remove and clean selector switch,ingress of dirt/ water is often the cause of problems with the transmission.

If the car has done much more than 80,000 miles, change the filter and ATF.

Info on how to tackle these jobs can be found in the maintenance guides. Hope this helps. :y
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #3 on: 27 September 2010, 18:22:08 »

best to have read again, although previous faults may show in ECU history pay attention to faults that are shown as present.  Sounds to me like the faults that appeared when I had problem with my cam sensor, but reading should show this. Good luck.
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #4 on: 29 September 2010, 16:35:41 »

I post something similar a few wees ago and I got this from Marks DTM Calib.

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90% of the times I have seen the fault 'Gear ratio error' I have found pieces of thrust washer in the front small sump.


Here is the criteria for raising the fault.

Selector lever not in position P, R, N
"Emergency Mode" is not activated.
Engine speed is greater than 3448 rpm
Converter slip is greater than
288 rpm in 1st gear
480 rpm in 2nd gear
672 rpm in 3rd gear
896 rpm in 4th gear
(The converter slip is calculated by using the engine speed, the automatic transmission output speed and the gear ratio of the engaged gear.)

Above conditions must be fulfilled for at least 2.26 s .

We almost have the same experience. Even on the part when it rained and the automatic gearbox suddenly showed up. When I start the car in the morning, the Check automatic gearbox sometimes just turns on. And when this error comes out the car also goes into limp mode. sometime restartig the car turns of the fault code but after a few minutes it comes back. I just drive the car in manual mode so the emergency program kicks in.  I had my ATF changed. The mechanics cleaned the selector switch. They even cleaned the Transmission Valve Body. Still to no avail. Lets share updates on the progress of our cars.
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #5 on: 30 September 2010, 19:51:17 »

Ok people... I have Opel Omega 2.2 petrol caravan 2003.
I had a same problem with my auto gearbox, and I went to my serviceman and he told me that i should change my gearbox, so I've done it, lucky me i found a same type,  and changed it. So i took a Balkan trip and while I was coming back to my country, the gearbox started to fail same as previous gearbox. It heated up and i could feel my cooler fan having difficulties to cool my gearbox. engine temp. was normal. but the cooler fan was noisy. so i think i will install a manual gearbox but i don't know what type of gearbox fits to my car. does a 2.0 type 1999 fits to my car??? - or i have to find the only 2.2 2003 type???????. Thnx.
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #6 on: 01 October 2010, 14:09:11 »

I was having the same kind of Issues as you After having all the head work done. 18 different faults logged and no throttle response eventually.

Changed the cam shaft sensor and all have dissapeared. Car now drives faultlessly. Have no idea if yours is the same problem, but it came up as one of the fault codes so thats where we started.

Rob
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #7 on: 03 October 2010, 09:53:19 »

had the same problem with my 2.2 petrol auto,changed the camshaft sensor and all has been well since.
Take this piece of advice ,only fit a genuine sensor i know they are a bit pricey but they work .
Also gearbox problems,the selector on the side of the gearbox corrodes internally so it is not sure which gear its in,cleaning won't fix it.
Hope this helps,I've had three omega estates since 1994 and had just about every problem Vauxhall could throw at me.!

« Last Edit: 03 October 2010, 09:55:04 by steve_craddock »
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #8 on: 10 October 2010, 15:42:14 »

 Cam sensor on 2.2 common problem, causes several different faults to show up. :-X :-X
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #9 on: 13 October 2010, 17:01:51 »

Thanks to everyone for advice so far ....... based on the number of suggestions as to the fault I went for the cam sensor as my first option (PS maintenance guide on how to change was spot on, made the job so easy !!!) used genuine GM part and cleared down all fault codes but unfortunately it has made no difference. It started to look as if it was going to be ok when driving very sedately but when I accelerated on a dual carraigeway the car started to respond then suddenly started to try to imitate a kangaroo, up popped the auto gearbox fault and went into limp home mode. Still works perfectly as a manual. Interestingly I went to a different garage today to have the fault codes read ---- all the new fault codes bar one would now appear to suggest "Throttle position sensor" which it is assumed is generating the one other "torque control error". Having had the throttle position sensor on the pedal replaced only a few months ago it is now looking more and more likely that the THROTTLE CONTROL UNIT is the source of my problem as the fault codes also linked the fault to the TCU sensor. Any further comments or advice re the TCU would be much appreciated. Anyone know where I might pick up a good replacement TCU ?  :-/
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #10 on: 13 October 2010, 21:32:13 »

further to my previous message i have been doing a bit more investigation on the net and it looks to me like the sensors on the Y22XE throttle control unit are all self contained within the throttle body which looks like it is a sealed non serviceable item. Can someone confirmed to me that the error messages i am getting are likely to be from the trhottle body which will mean i am going to need to replace the throttle body ?
Thanks  :-/
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #11 on: 24 December 2010, 12:14:36 »

PROBLEM SOLVED - Update - Several months and several supposed autogearbox specialists later I decided to think back on what has happened and what has been replaced.... In the very early days of this saga I had a new throttle potentiometer fitted at a cost of £150 .... that seemed to solve the problem for a few weeks, but the fault returned, so i naturally thought it was something else .... I have tried everything suggested since, so thank you all for your help and advice, but to no avail, so in desperation and at the point of almost scrapping the car for spares, :'( :'( I decided to replace the new throttle potentiometer with a recycled one i managed to pick up on ebay ....... guess what ???.... problem solved, my pride and joy has been driving now for 6 weeks in all the bad, wet, snowy cold weather as good as gold. ;D ;D ........... so the "new" throttle potentiometer is now on its way back to bosch, via the garage that fitted it, for testing... and I have a perfectly good camshaft sensor that i replaced that I don't need .... anyone need one  :-? Again thanks for all the feedback from everyone, it really did help me trying to find the source of the fault.
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« Reply #12 on: 24 December 2010, 12:35:07 »

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PROBLEM SOLVED - Update - Several months and several supposed autogearbox specialists later I decided to think back on what has happened and what has been replaced.... In the very early days of this saga I had a new throttle potentiometer fitted at a cost of £150 .... that seemed to solve the problem for a few weeks, but the fault returned, so i naturally thought it was something else .... I have tried everything suggested since, so thank you all for your help and advice, but to no avail, so in desperation and at the point of almost scrapping the car for spares, :'( :'( I decided to replace the new throttle potentiometer with a recycled one i managed to pick up on ebay ....... guess what ???.... problem solved, my pride and joy has been driving now for 6 weeks in all the bad, wet, snowy cold weather as good as gold. ;D ;D ........... so the "new" throttle potentiometer is now on its way back to bosch, via the garage that fitted it, for testing... and I have a perfectly good camshaft sensor that i replaced that I don't need .... anyone need one  :-? Again thanks for all the feedback from everyone, it really did help me trying to find the source of the fault.
Its a 2.2 - you will need one one day ;D


Glad its solved :y
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Re: Auto Gearbox fault ???
« Reply #13 on: 24 December 2010, 13:44:32 »



Well done PDK, your persistence  has paid off. No doubt this will be of great value to others with similar problems.    :y :y
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« Reply #14 on: 24 December 2010, 17:14:12 »

Isn't it just the most annoying thing when a, supposedly, good replacement part, turns out to be faulty.

Well done for tracking it down. :y :y :y
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