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[albitz]

No sense of shame, a great sense of entitlement.The modern British disease.

[Vamps]

Hence why I commented on the big TV, games machines and all the latest named clothing and the dog...true in almost every family that come to the attention of the LA......To be honest I am beginning to think that Child Poverty is the case of the working family on lower wages, the expectation society puts on the kids to have everything, wages stagnant and everything going up..........I has a letter today my gas/electric is going up around £40 per month........

[Bionic]

If we have child poverty in this country then why do we give so much away to countries who will not control their birthrates and persistently come back for me. Are we their parents? No we are not and after all that CHARITY begins at HOME!
In this country the benefits that are given are probably wasted on the Lottery, the car they cannot realistically afford to run and maintain, the cigarettes, the nights out and alcohol supply. Then do not forget the credit cards, the catalogue club debts and subscriptions to things that should not be a priority but a luxury. This culture will never change until the actions of parents do and they begin to realise that the rest of us are not responsible to constantly bail them out with more benefits. Spend responsibly and ther is more than likely enough income, considering the assistances that are given for rent, rates, etc and there is enough to live on. If luxuries cannot be afforded then why waste the money on them? Put the children FIRST............they are the main reason for the benefits in the first place are they not?

[TheBoy]

Bletchley post office have the market for these 'poveerty' families sewn up...

Dregs/spongers with umpteen kids in tow collect their giro/benefits from their PO account (as no bank will deal with them - rightly so), then go to the till and blow the lot on fags and lotto tickets.


Wasters - only the retired and the genuinely ill should have access to long term benefits, not those who simply refuse to work...

I feel there are some broad brushes being used here. With 2.57 million unemployed and companies laying off workers right, left and centre, it is questionable whether those who find themselves at this point in time unemployed are "simply refusing to work". There are many youngsters, as well as those who are in their late middle age, for whom employment is but a dream. Of course there are some who sponge, but there are many others who simply cannot get work and find it hard to pay for the upkeep of their kids (which are very expensive!). I agree with Albs that the definition of "child poverty" is questionable, but there is little doubt in my mind that many families are finding life very tough and stressful these days. That such a situation has arisen is down to the failed political classes, IMHO.

So why can't my brother get employees (tend to employ school leavers)? Why do many other small business owners I know struggle to employ people, even those offering apprenticeships?

There are lots of jobs out there, its just the lazy would rather stay at home on benefit than work 5 days a week, including every Saturday, for retail money.

[Kevin Wood]

So why can't my brother get employees (tend to employ school leavers)? Why do many other small business owners I know struggle to employ people, even those offering apprenticeships?

There are lots of jobs out there, its just the lazy would rather stay at home on benefit than work 5 days a week, including every Saturday, for retail money.

Yep, and to add, why is seemingly everyone doing an office cleaning job in the UK from overseas? No problem with that at all, they are, IMHO, more courteous and dilligent and, importantly, don't nick stuff. Could it be that they value what might admittedly be quite a low wage rather than make a decision to sit on their @rse and let someone else look after them?

We need a unemployment benefit system that makes any job preferable to living on benefits. It needs to keep people alive and not much more, IMHO.

[albitz]

I take Nicks point,which ties in with what Kevin is saying.The politicians created the scenario where it was almost a mugs game for people without decent qualifications and a career plan to bother going to work.An acceptable standard of living could be had by living on benefits,especially if you were prepared to tell porkies and play the system.
Then they imported a whole new working class to do the menial jobs which would historically have been done by the unqualified people who were now used to not working. These are imo the people who Jaime refers to - dont work,wont work.They havent been brought up with a work ethic,or any stigma attached to living off the deductions made from other peoples wages.
The politicians who crated this scenario were the worst type of cynical humans imaginable and they acted in a way which was nothing short of criminal imo,and should face the consequences of their criminal intent,if there was any justice left in this country.
While I have no sympathy for the workshy,it must be said that we are currently in a situation where good skilled people are losing their livelyhoods and they deserve to be supported as far  as is reasonably possible in the hard times.
It would be all too easy to tar everyone with the same brush and come across as a bunch of "Im alright Jack,Ive got a job" middle income,lower middle class,80,s style Tories. Im definitely not middle income,or remotely middle class,so Im not sure where that leaves me in all this. 

[Kevin Wood]

While I have no sympathy for the workshy,it must be said that we are currently in a situation where good skilled people are losing their livelyhoods and they deserve to be supported as far  as is reasonably possible in the hard times.

Maybe we need to link benefits with NI contributions rather than number of illegitimate children?

i.e.: Contributions made all your life but "going through a temporary rough patch" = full benefits

Never worked = the bear minimum benefits.

[albitz]

Sounds like a plan Kevin.

[Varche]

While I have no sympathy for the workshy,it must be said that we are currently in a situation where good skilled people are losing their livelyhoods and they deserve to be supported as far  as is reasonably possible in the hard times.

Maybe we need to link benefits with NI contributions rather than number of illegitimate children?

i.e.: Contributions made all your life but "going through a temporary rough patch" = full benefits

Never worked = the bear minimum benefits.

You could say the bear necessities in life

[Kevin Wood]

While I have no sympathy for the workshy,it must be said that we are currently in a situation where good skilled people are losing their livelyhoods and they deserve to be supported as far  as is reasonably possible in the hard times.

Maybe we need to link benefits with NI contributions rather than number of illegitimate children?

i.e.: Contributions made all your life but "going through a temporary rough patch" = full benefits

Never worked = the bear minimum benefits.

You could say the bear necessities in life

A freudian slip perhaps?

[Varche]

Could have been worse - beer benefits

[albitz]

Sounds like a better plan.

[Webby the Bear]

My definition of poverty is - not enough money to eat,keep a roof over your head,heat your home in the winter.I doubt there are many people in this country in that position tbh.

completely agree. kids in africa.... thats poverty